Gay marriage ban/Prop 8 struck down by US federal judge

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    US judge overturns California same-sex marriage ban

    [PokeCommunity.com] Gay marriage ban/Prop 8 struck down by US federal judge

    Five states and Washington DC currently allow same-sex nuptials

    A US federal judge has overturned California's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage.

    The judge found it unconstitutionally discriminated against same-sex couples who sought to wed.
    The state measure, known as Proposition 8, was passed by voters in 2008. It banned same-sex marriage, although the state offered same-sex civil unions.
    Backers of the ban had said they would appeal if it were overturned. It is likely to reach the US Supreme Court.
    The measure was passed in a ballot referendum by a vote of 52% to 48%.
    Currently, five states and Washington DC allow same-sex nuptials, though many states have enacted bans.
    California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger quickly welcomed the ruling.
    "For the hundreds of thousands of Californians in gay and lesbian households who are managing their day-to-day lives, this decision affirms the full legal protections and safeguards I believe everyone deserves," he said in a statement.
    "At the same time, it provides an opportunity for all to consider our history of leading the way to the future, and our growing reputation of treating all people and their relationships with equal respect and dignity."

    'Right to choose'

    The 2008 ballot measure, known as Proposition 8, amended the California constitution to state that "only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognised in California".


    Two same-sex couples challenged the measure, saying it violated their right to equal protection under the US constitution.
    They said the measure violated gays' and lesbians' right to choose whom to marry while allowing it to heterosexuals.
    Supporters of the ban said it affirmed the will of California voters to exclude same-sex couples from marriage and argued the state had an interest in promoting procreation within marriage.
    In his ruling, US District Judge Vaughn Walker permanently forbade enforcement of the same-sex marriage ban.
    "Proposition 8 fails to advance any rational basis in singling out gay men and lesbians for denial of a marriage licence," he wrote.
    "Indeed, the evidence shows Proposition 8 does nothing more than enshrine in the California constitution the notion that opposite sex couples are superior to same-sex couples.
    "Because California has no interest in discriminating against gay men and lesbians, and because Proposition 8 prevents California from fulfilling its constitutional obligation to provide marriages on an equal basis, the court concludes that Proposition 8 is unconstitutional."
    Well this will be appealed to the US 9th Circuit Court of Appeals (In Northern California) and eventually go to the Supreme Court.

    With the few hours without a stay given, it will be legally allowed in California to have same sex marriage.

    Full Ruling: https://www.ce9.uscourts.gov/prop8/FF_CL_Final.pdf

    Quote from Conclusions:

    The question here is whether California voters can enforce those same principles through regulation of marriage licenses. They cannot. California's obligation is to treat its citizens equally, not to "mandate [its] own moral code." Id (citing Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pa v Casey, 505 US 833, 850, (1992)). "[M]oral disapproval, without any other asserted state interest," has never been a rational basis for legislation. Lawrence, 539 US at 582 (O'Connor, J, concurring).

    Tradition alone cannot support legislation. See Williams, 399 US at 239; Romer, 517 US at 635; Lawrence, 539 US at 579.
    Proponents' purported rationales are nothing more than post-hoc justifications. While the Equal Protection Clause does not prohibit post-hoc rationales, they must connect to the classification drawn. Here, the purported state interests fit so poorly with Proposition 8 that they are irrational, as explained above. What is left is evidence that Proposition 8 enacts a moral view that there is something "wrong" with same-sex couples. See FF 78-80.

    The evidence at trial regarding the campaign to pass Proposition 8 uncloaks the most likely explanation for its passage:
    For a desire to advance the belief that opposite-sex couples are morally superior to same-sex couples. FF 79-80.

    The campaign relied heavily on negative stereotypes about gays and lesbians and focused on protecting children from inchoate threats vaguely associated with gays and lesbians. FF 79-80; See PX0016 Video, Have You Thought About It? (video of a young girl asking whether the viewer has considered the consequences to her of Proposition 8 but not explaining what those consequences might be).
     
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    It seems we made a thread about this at the same time:p

    Anyway here my three cents:

    I have mixed feelings about this ruling. I believes people should have as much legal rights that are possible without causing harm to society, and same-sex marriage doesn't harm anyone so I don't see any reason to ban it.

    On the other hand, I also consider myself a populist and always prefer laws passed by the people's direct vote verus laws legislated from the bench. Proposition 8 was an amendment to the California Constitution passed by the will of the people through the ballot box. California voters approved a same-sex marriage ban in 2000 with Prop 22, and again in 2008 with Prop 8 in order to overturn parts of the California Supreme Court's ruling in In re Marriage Cases. Interestingly, the same court that decided same-sex marriage was a fundamental right in 2008 upheld the voter-approved ban that overturned their ruling a year later. I was hoping to see this issue on the ballot this year, as overturning Prop 8 via a voter-approved initiative would make it a win-win situation in my eyes.

    This issue is expected to be taken all the way up to the U.S. Supreme Court, and that's where same-sex marriage advocates have to up the ante. SCOTUS is currently dominated by conservatives, as evidenced by it's famous 2010 rulings Citizens United v. Federal Election Commision and in McDonald v. City of Chicago, in which they decided that the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms in applicable to state and local governments.
     
    Heck yeah!

    I'm happy for California - or at least the half of California that will benefit from this.
     
    Keep in mind that this legal battle isn't over yet. And as of now, it's unclear whether same-sex marriages will resume immediately in California or if there will be a stay on them pending appeals litigation.
     
    When I saw this, I instantly came to OC to see whether you posted this yet, Netto.

    I don't have too many opinions concerning this since as of now, I'm neutral towards the gay marriage cause. Nonetheless, congrats to the folks in the LGBT community in California who've been waiting to get married...if this decision stands, that is.
     
    I think its nasty basiclly for a guy and a guy to have sex and kiss but they are human just like us and can't help but have there feelings and i think they should be aloud to marry each other...its just wrong that its stopped.
     
    Generally, myself, gays rather disgust me, despite being bisexual.

    Anyway, it still doesn't matter the fact I'm happy for them.

    I think its nasty basiclly for a guy and a guy to have sex and kiss but they are human just like us and can't help but have there feelings and i think they should be aloud to marry each other...its just wrong that its stopped.


    ಠ_ಠ no1curr

    Keep your bigoted opinions to yourself. This wasn't a "how do you feel about gays" thread. It's a thread about equal rights for all human beings.

    Regardless, I'm usually a populist person myself but when it comes to fundamental equal rights for all human beings, I'm not going to allow someone's warped, hateful views on human being to be a factor. It's a good first step to equal marriage rights for all and I for one am happy.
     
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    ಠ_ಠ no1curr

    Keep your bigoted opinions to yourself. This wasn't a "how do you feel about gays" thread. It's a thread about equal rights for all human beings.

    Regardless, I'm usually a populist person myself but when it comes to fundamental equal rights for all human beings, I'm not going to allow someone's warped, hateful views on human being to be a factor. It's a good first step to equal marriage rights for all and I for one am happy.

    I'm also a populist and have mixed views about this ruling. I've heard many in the anti-Prop 8 crowd say that California's initiative process should be done away with all together, and that's a scary prospect in my view. And I think it's a stereotype to say that Prop 8 is hateful. Not ever person who voted for it automatically hates all homosexuals.
     
    ಠ_ಠ no1curr

    Keep your bigoted opinions to yourself. This wasn't a "how do you feel about gays" thread. It's a thread about equal rights for all human beings.

    Wikipedia said:
    A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.

    Kanade said nothing about being intolerantly devoted to her own opinions.
    I find homosexuality repulsive myself, but it doesn't change my position that from a nonbiased PoV, this is a victory for equal rights.
     
    In actuality, this thread seems to be a discussion of the ruling that came out today. If someone disagrees with it they should be able to say so, but not with "gay people are disgusting" type of arguments.
     
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