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Old March 13th, 2012 (3:15 PM). Edited March 15th, 2012 by Nihilego.
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    What's your stance on it? What're your take on issues like gays in the military, gay marriage and gays adopting? Or any other issues you feel should be brought to light?
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    Old March 13th, 2012 (3:56 PM). Edited March 18th, 2012 by Nihilego.
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    It's okay, since you're the only one you're affecting. The main problem is the Bible followers that think homosexuality is wrong. Which I don't mind, just don't make us suffer; we can't help it.
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    What're your take on issues like gays in the military, gay marriage and gays adopting?
    If straight guys/gals/couples can do it, so can we. We're not aliens from Pluto or anything, so calm down.
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    Or any other issues you feel should be brought to light?
    I need to make sure that everyone understands that "being gay" means "I like men", and that it's something you can't control. However, "I want men" is the part that is so wrong in the Bible, and is the part that you can control, so yeah...right hand *wink*
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    What's your stance on it? What're your take on issues like gays in the military, gay marriage and gays adopting? Or any other issues you feel should be brought to light?
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    I have no problem with any of it at the end of the day we are all human, it's nothing that should be judged upon but that's just my opinion.
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      I have no problem with any of it at the end of the day we are all human, it's nothing that should be judged upon but that's just my opinion.
      I agree, with you. These people should get the same treatment the rest of us do. We need human equality for all groups (Race,Sex( aka male/Female), ethnicity, nationality, ect.) The world would be a better place if we just accepted everyone...
      Also not all anti-homo people are white, look at the middle east...
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        Just thought I should clarify, I'm completely pro-choice. I don't care if you wanna be gay or what. Your love life is no concern of mine. I just wanted to see other people's opinion, 'cause this subject brought up where I live(the south) can get one exiled.
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        Just thought I should clarify, I'm completely pro-choice. I don't care if you wanna be gay or what. Your love life is no concern of mine. I just wanted to see other people's opinion, 'cause this subject brought up where I live(the south) can get one exiled.
        Really? Still? That's harsh, I thought all that was over when the Supreme Court and KKK and the black people and the schools and all that stuff...

        Oh well whatever I'm in California and ignorant idiots like me live here
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          'cause this subject brought up where I live(the south) can get one exiled.
          What?! That's crazy! And also unfortunate. =(

          I've heard of some recent laws passed in some states, like Tennessee, which "ban" discussion of homosexuality in classrooms. What good does that do?
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          I have no problem with any of it at the end of the day we are all human, it's nothing that should be judged upon but that's just my opinion.
          This x a lot. It's human nature to show affection for one another, but who really needs to say that for every man there must be a woman? Or vice versa? There is absolutely nothing wrong with homosexuality.

          And this thread would be nice to have more love. <3
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          I treat gay people the exact same as straight people most of the time. I honestly never saw what benefit they got from keeping people in the closet when in the army or why they still don't allow gay people to get legally married. To be honest I've still not formed an opinion on allowing gay people to adopt. I know that they would love and care for the child as much as any other straight couple would but I think that if a same sex male couple were to bring up a girl they wouldn't have the same experiences that a same sex couple would have.

          One issue that I think is still around is the gap between gay and straight people. Most of it not even coming from straight people. From what I've seen in the gay community all the horror stories of people getting violently abused by family and friends or even strangers because of their sexuality have caused a lot of non-heterosexual people to automatically assume that straight people will discriminate against them. The same goes for religious people. I know a lot of people who will immediately begin to dislike someone or look down upon someone because they worship a deity and automatically assume that they will judge them and try to convince them to convert because of their sexuality.
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          My stance on homosexuality is the same as my stance on heterosexuality (or any sexuality). It's something that should not even be an issue. A person's sexuality has no bearing on their ability to raise children, serve in the military, or marry another person so long as that other person also wants to get married. Arguments that say otherwise are convoluted excuses to hide intolerance or misguided attempts to influence things people don't fully understand.
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            Really? Still? That's harsh, I thought all that was over when the Supreme Court and KKK and the black people and the schools and all that stuff...

            Oh well whatever I'm in California and ignorant idiots like me live here
            Kidding me? there are large amount of people who believe interracial marriages should be illegal and that gays are an abomination.

            KKK is still alive and so are white supremacists they have a lot more traction in the south than they do any where else. people in the south are very much stuck in their old ways. Some do realize that its BS and stray from the pack and i say thats good because Ignorance kills.
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              I'm very much for the rights of homosexuals to be open about their sexuality, being gay myself. I also support the rights for gay people to get married if they choose to do so, and I find that most arguments that are thusfar given against it tend to revolve around simple argumentum ad traditionalis and the wrongful belief of the church that they somehow invented the concept of marriage and have full monopolical rights over whom the services can and cannot be offered to. While I wholeheartedly agree that churches shouldn't be forced to offer their services to people they don't want to, it's wrong to force churches that are willing to not offer them at all.

              Marriage in today's society is a legal contract, and people should not be barred from entering such legal contract and be prevented from getting the benefits from it just because some churches wish to protect the sanctity of their concept of marriage like they're the sole owners of it. That gay marriage is allowed in the Netherlands, and was actually the first country to do so, makes me very lucky, and I hope that more and more countries will adopt similar laws to allow gay marriages to take place.
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                  Or any other issues you feel should be brought to light?
                  First of all, I am pretty damn close to being gay. As you might expect, I support the legalisation of gay marriage and all that jazz.

                  But the main thing I wanted to bring up is the use of the word "gay" to refer to anything bad. Not sure how universal it is, but it's pretty common in my area. While I wouldn't say it's homophobic, it's pretty damn offensive. All it does is draw unnecessary parallels between being gay and being bad. There are plenty of words which have negative meanings, why not use one of them instead of a word which is already used to refer to an entire group of people?
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                  Naw, I love them all, being gay myself. I don't hate religious people, just religious nuts that force their beliefs on others. Same goes for a lot of things. Much of what I would say has been said already, so: it doesn't affect anyone other than those involved, and like Scarf said, any arguments that say otherwise are basically thin veils on homophobia or just plain not understanding it.

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                  But the main thing I wanted to bring up is the use of the word "gay" to refer to anything bad. Not sure how universal it is, but it's pretty common in my area. While I wouldn't say it's homophobic, it's pretty damn offensive. All it does is draw unnecessary parallels between being gay and being bad. There are plenty of words which have negative meanings, why not use one of them instead of a word which is already used to refer to an entire group of people?
                  I'm guilty of doing that. Not so much as of late. I think it's more out of habit than anything, and the fact that I'm able to say that is probably really sad, lol.
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                  Me liking guys is no different than my favorite color being orange. Most people don't like orange, but they don't freak out about that. Why is my favorite gender any different? Not that I really have a choice in the matter in the first place.

                  I have learned one fairly important thing from being a gay Christian though... it's impossible to change your views on homosexuality until it affects you personally. Most Christians are completely ignorant of what it even means to be gay... and if someone tried to explain it to them, they would close their minds and say that they're attacking their faith. The only way for them to understand it is, once again, for them to be affected by it personally, whether it is their own feelings (In which case, there's probably a very high chance that they'll go into denial.) or a sibling's/friend's.
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                    First of all, I am pretty damn close to being gay. As you might expect, I support the legalisation of gay marriage and all that jazz.

                    But the main thing I wanted to bring up is the use of the word "gay" to refer to anything bad. Not sure how universal it is, but it's pretty common in my area. While I wouldn't say it's homophobic, it's pretty damn offensive. All it does is draw unnecessary parallels between being gay and being bad. There are plenty of words which have negative meanings, why not use one of them instead of a word which is already used to refer to an entire group of people?
                    Well, I've never felt offended by it when people say something is gay when they mean to say something's stupid. I might sometimes jokingly pretend to get offended just to get awkward reactions, but heck, I sometimes use it myself from time to time. Besides, if we'd go back to the original meaning of it, it's just happy.
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                    [SIZE="a"]I'm all for secular marriage for homosexuals...and I'm one of those Catholic nutjobs that are supposed to be in opposition to it. The way I see it, as long as the government doesn't force the church to abide by something that it doesn't agree with, the people can do anything they want.[/SIZE]
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                      [SIZE="a"]I'm all for secular marriage for homosexuals...and I'm one of those Catholic nutjobs that are supposed to be in opposition to it. The way I see it, as long as the government doesn't force the church to abide by something that it doesn't agree with, the people can do anything they want.[/SIZE]
                      This I agree with.

                      The various churches among all different religions cannot influence law to their beliefs. Also, the government cannot make laws to inhibit practice of the church, unless it causes detriment to others.

                      A church has every right to reject Muslims, Protestants(any other sect), interracial couples, or same-sex couples from marriage or participation in mass. It's really that churches loss if it decides to do that. However, the government should not be able to decide which doctrines to follow. That is why popular opinion, although leaning in favor of same-sex marriage, should not even factor in federal and state legislation; this is a civil rights issues. Therefore, these referendums and propositions that involve popular decision should not be used to determine the constitutionality.

                      I am certain that same-sex marriage and adoption will become legal within this decade. How will this affect heterosexual marriage? ...It will not have a direct negative effect on heterosexual marriage by any means. So basically, gay people and supporters of gay rights have something to look forward to, everyone else will not be affected...Unless you are a politician
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                        Well, I've never felt offended by it when people say something is gay when they mean to say something's stupid. I might sometimes jokingly pretend to get offended just to get awkward reactions, but heck, I sometimes use it myself from time to time. Besides, if we'd go back to the original meaning of it, it's just happy.
                        It doesn't offend me either, but it is quite damaging none the less.

                        Fair enough, gay hasn't always meant homosexual... but now it does. It's not as if gay people are being called something else, the new meaning hasn't replaced homosexual, it's parallel to it.

                        This isn't a comparison I enjoy making, but it would be like saying "That's so Muslim" or "That's so African people". You're directly comparing something negative to an entire group of people, and people wont just assume that "Gay" only means bad when it refers to something other than gay people, associations are made.

                        Also, why "Gay"? Why a word that's already being used to refer to gay people? It's hard to assume there's no malicious intentions behind the use of gay as an insult when gay people aren't historically the most liked group.
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                          I have no specific stance on homosexuality same as I have no specific stance on heterosexuality, et al.
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                          Several thoughts occur to me when I think of homosexuality.

                          Most notably, it says nice things that we rallied so much support for a minority that actually makes up less than 5% of the population. A blatantly-fraudulent-in-hindsight statistic stated it was at least 10% some time ago, but it turns out that was... an oddly well-placed stunt to get people's attention. I kinda theorize that the government is actually pushing the movement along from the shadows and pretending not to be involved. They did the same thing when we were fighting for the equality of African-Americans, in a similar manner I might add. (Example, Rosa Parks was far from the first African American woman to pull the stunt she did. It wouldn't have gotten the publicity it did without interference.)

                          ...It's nice to be able to say nice things about our government. Even if they do arguably sound hilarious.

                          On the other hand... Speaking of support, supporters of the LGBT movement, associated with being the main supporter of homosexuals everywhere, have always had this tendency to bother me in a "Moral ends, amoral means" sort of way. I am not an "ends justify the means" sort of person, and so out of anything, the supporters are what bothers me more than anything else. At this point though we're so close to 'equality' that I question whether it's worth making an emotional investment in. That is to say the probability of anything changing in the time left is rather low, which I find unfortunate in spite of the satire artists that will inevitably mock these things for my amusement later.

                          On a whole, whenever I think about homosexuality I'm either being trying to avoid unnecessary drama related to it or puzzling over the ever so intellectual question of whether other girls secretly hate me. I'm far past the point where I ever have to question how I personally feel about homosexuals. It's not like I'm bi or anything >>; But since that's totally the topic I'll go ahead and say.

                          Everybody has their kinks and it's not worth any emotional investment on my part until it starts to remotely involve me. In this particular case, I'm actually pretty cool with it for blatantly obvious reasons, whereas my default reaction is generally rather neutral.



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                          The words "idiot", "moron", and "imbecile" were all once medical terms to describe various degrees of mental retardation. Word censorship is a hopeless battle people. Try not to invest too much emotions into it.
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                          Old March 14th, 2012 (6:13 PM). Edited March 14th, 2012 by Patchisou Yutohru.
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                          I don't have a stance on it, really. I don't know why people make a big deal out of it. Homosexuals are people who happen to like the same sex. That shouldn't outcast them like it does and make an entire issue out of them serving the country, marrying each other, or adopting a child.
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                          Old March 15th, 2012 (3:28 AM). Edited March 15th, 2012 by Patchisou Yutohru.
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                          imo, they should remove the legal protections inherent with marriage, and tie those to a Civil Union. That way, everybody can get those protections and those who want the religious ceremony to go along with it can have the marriage as well. Everybody wins.
                          You know, you can already get married and be granted all the rights that come with it without the religious ceremony. Marriages don't just happen in churches, after all. I don't know ~all~ (but I know some) of the differences between the two, but if you remove the legal protections inherited from marriages and put them into civil unions, then doesn't that just defeat the purpose of a civil union, which is supposed to be different? I don't think many people want to settle for civil unions if they want to be married and be granted those legal rights, especially with when so many states have legalized it and recognize it.

                          The problem is only there because the churches are involved, and in my opinion, the government has been doing just what they shouldn't have done. Religion and politics don't mix.
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