# The Date of Birth Challenge

Started by Bestwaffles September 3rd, 2013 12:38 PM
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Introduction

Hello one and all and welcome to the Date of Birth Challenge! The premise is simple, your DOB dictates your team members, this may result in some very interesting combinations! Here's how it works:

1. Take the day you were born, and add it to the month and the last two digits of the year.

2. Take the day you were born and multiply it by the Generation* of game you are playing.

3. Take the month you were born in and multiply it by the Generation* of the game you are playing, squared.

4.
- a)If you were born in December, January or February, select an Ice type of your choice.
- b)If you were born in March, April or May, select a Grass type of your choice.
- c)If you were born in June, July or August, select a Fire type of your choice.
- d)If you were born in September, October or November, select a Rock type of your choice.

5.
- a)If you were born in December, January or February, select a Black Pokemon of your choice.
- b)If you were born in March, April or May, select a Yellow Pokemon of your choice.
- c)If you were born in June, July or August, select a Gray Pokemon of your choice.
- d)If you were born in September, October or November, select a Purple Pokemon of your choice.

6. The first Pokemon found on the route that corresponds to the month you were born in.

*Remakes are counted as the original Generation they were released in, e.g. FR/LG are Gen 1

For the first three Pokemon picking rules, take the resultant number, and the Pokemon you get is the Pokemon that corresponds to that number in the Regional Dex of your selected game. If the number exceeds the number of Pokemon in your Regional Dex of choice, simply half it, and if necessary, round up up to the nearest number to obtain your Pokemon! As I understand this can all be a bit confusing, I have provided an example below.
Spoiler:

This will also be my sign up! Now, I was born on the 24th of December 1994, so, since I have chosen to play Ruby as my game (3rd Gen as I'm sure we all know) I would get:

1. 12+24+94=130, which in the Hoenn Dex is Crawdaunt.
2. 24x3=72, giving me Aggron
3. 12x3x3=108, giving me Koffing
4. Since I was born in December, an Ice type of my choice, Walrein!
5. Again, December means Black, so I pick Houndoom.
6. I get to catch the first Pokemon I find on Route 112, since in Hoenn there is no Route 12, this also goes for Sinnoh, where it would become Route 212.

For those playing Gen 6 games, since the Regional Dex has been split into three parts, it will work a little differently for you! Each of the first three Rules will apply to a different part of the Kalos Dex, but you can choose which Rule for which part. An example, for Rule 1, my resultant number is 130, which would give me Pinsir in the Coastal Dex, Aromatisse in the Central Dex, or Sudowoodo in the Mountain Dex, and it is my choice which one I take. BUT, each Dex must be used, you cannot take two from the same Dex, all three must correspond to a Rule. Again, this can be confusing, so feel free to message me with any queries! :)

Rules

1.
Your team must be chosen using the above method.
2. You may use HM slaves if necessary, but they must not take part in battles.
3. Legendaries ARE allowed.
4. If you receive a NFE Pokemon, you can choose to evolve it if you so desire. If your Pokemon only evolves through trading, you may trade it to evolve, or use a programme to do it for you.
5. If one or more of your Pokemon are unobtainable in the game you have selected, you may hack/trade them in at a low level at the start of the game. The hacked in Pokemon must be legal, meaning no RNG abuse/illegal moves or abilities.

6. You may use your starter Pokemon until you catch your first Pokemon, but as soon as your first Pokemon is caught, the starter must be boxed/released. If your first Pokemon is not available before the third gym, then you may hack/trade one of your Pokemon at a low level.
7. Emulators and speed up are allowed, but no cheating!
8. Hacked games are allowed, such as Blaze Black or FireRed Omega, as long as they fit into the category of a generation (i.e. No Fakemon, must have a Regional Dex).
9. Just to clear up the confusion surrounding the sixth Pokemon 6, think of it like a Nuzlocke, the first Pokemon you find on the Route corresponding to the month of your DOB is the one you may catch. If you fail to catch it, you're running with five Pokemon. And, if you're playing Gen 2 or one of the remakes (e.g. Gold, Silver, Crystal, SoulSilver, HeartGold) then you must wait until Kanto to catch your last Pokemon!

The challenge is complete when you beat:
G/S/C/HG/SS: Red (At Mt Silver)
R/S: Steven
E: Wallace
D/P/Pt: Cynthia
B/W: Alder
B2/W2: Iris
X/Y: AZ

Please confirm your Pokemon teams on sign up! (With the exception of Pokemon 6 of course, but the route number must be confirmed and this Pokemon should be confirmed once it has been caught)

Name:
Game:
Pokemon Team:

Challengers:
Spoiler:

PokeMinez - Black 2: Nidoqueen, Kangaskhan, Gothorita, Tepig, Cinccino, (Route 8)
Airbourne Bubblun - Sapphire: Weezing, Wingull, Vileplume, Magcargo, Crobat, (Route 110)
JayTheKing - Platinum: Skorupi, Spiritomb, Graveler, Glaceon, Murkrow, Bidoof
warship - FireRed: Electabuzz, Poliwag, Abra, Arcanine, Machamp, (Route 7)
The Sceptile King - Emerald: Lotad, Masquerain, Aggron, Blaziken, Armaldo, (Route 108)
mucus - Blaze Black 2: Rhyhorn, Dodrio, Ho-oh, Shieldon, Gengar, (Route 10)
WeightyWillBill - Emerald: Cacturne, Geodude, Torkoal, Blaziken, Skarmory, (Route 106)
TheDawningGlaceon - White: Bouffalant, Klink, Zekrom, Beartic, Sigilyph, (Route 12)
Natnew - Pearl: Geodude, Wormadam, Munchlax, Oddish, Vespiquen, (Route 203)
Zivlok - HeartGold: Exeggcute, Fearow, Poliwag, Typhlosion, Aron, (Route 7)
Maxew555 - Diamond: Prinplup, Chimchar, Blissey, Rapidash, Graveler, (Route 207)
Luigi-San - Expert Emerald: Sandshrew, Whismur, Zubat, Charizard, Glalie, (Route 107)
DaNewbInTown - White 2: Sigilyph, Clefable, Conkeldurr, Serperior, Galvantula, (Route 13)
Crimson0191 - Pearl: Azumarill, Ambipom, Bronzor, Cranidos, Shellos, (Route 211)
PersianTrainer - Black 2: Eelektross, Scraggy, Genesect, Cryogonal, Yamask, (Route 12)
AuraBladeNM - Emerald: Spinda, Dustox, Wingull, Magcargo, Seviper, (Route 109)
Whallan - SoulSilver: Venonat, Cleffa, Nidorina, Typhlosion, Machamp, (Route 6)
Clemstar - FireRed Omega: Staryu, Venonat, Psyduck, Houndoom, Skarmory, (Route 6)
atomtanned - Yellow: Electabuzz, Sandshrew, Caterpie, Aerodactyl, Gengar, Route 10)
bmangoobs - Gold: Typhlosion, Pidgey, Nidoking, Exeggcutor, Sandshrew, (Route 5)
CanadianBaconX - White: Shelmet, Pawniard, Zekrom, Darumaka, Minccino, (Route 6)
Shad0wChas3r - HeartGold: Kingler, Charizard, Charmander, Piloswine, Umbreon, (Route 1)
roserade31 - Blue: Mr Mime, Pidgeotto, Charizard, Magmar, Rhydon, Magikarp
Samurott01 - Black 2: Unfezant, Simisear, Floatzel, Volcarona, Kyurem, (Route 8)
SetheKing - Emerald: Sandshrew, Slakoth, Slakoth, Blaziken, Kadabra, (Route 104)
TheZenTraveler - Ruby: Spoink, Dustox, Vileplume, Aggron, Muk, (Route 110)

ChibiVamp - Sapphire: Aggron, Slakoth, Walrein, Seviper, Poochyena
GatAttack - FireRed: Tangela, Arbok, Kingler, Onix, Gengar, (Route 11)
Dr Rose - Emerald: Sharpedo, Zigzagoon, Slakoth, Lileep, Girafarig, Gyarados
Warrior Rapter - Platinum: Wooper, Lopunny, Sneasel, Bastiodon, Crobat, Ralts
Jeannes.Thinkin - Platinum: Luxray, Ambipom, Wurmple, Shaymin, Mareep, (Route 203)

Flame999 - Ruby: Trapinch, Geodude, Wailmer, Relicanth, Muk, (Route 111)
Flame999 - FireRed: Horsea, Primeape, Kingler, Aerodactyl, Haunter, (Route 11)
Akihiko123 - Emerald: Nidoking, Rapidash, Golduck, Houndoom, Steelix, (Route 108)
Hydreigon99 - SoulSilver: Arcanine, Magneton, Noctowl, Mamoswine, Honchkrow, (Route 1)
renafiore - X: Dwebble, Hoothoot, Vaporeon, Smeargle, Ditto, (Route 10)
Jbsundown - FireRed: Tauros, Ekans, Kadabra, Charizard, Rhydon, (Route 8)
eeveeandmew - Diamond: Steelix, Happiny, Houndour, Batsiodon, Mismagius, (Route 1)
Illusione-Tempus - Sapphire: Whiscash, Electrike, Azurill, Ninetails, Skarmory, Tentacool
alvmonster - Gold: Scizor, Croconaw, Noctowl, Piloswine, Houndoom, (Route 2)
BlueStone - Emerald: Dustox, Ludicolo, Rayquaza, Cradily, Crobat, (Route 112)
Buggles - White 2: Carracosta, Braviary, Genesect, Mamoswine, Chandelure, Patrat
CoolGriffendor - White: Pansear, Lilligant, Vanillite, Tepig, Ferroseed, (Route ??)
Justin - Emerald: Banette, Surskit, Torkoal, Walrein, Dusclops, (Route 127)
DarkChibimon - HeartGold: Electrode, Hitmonlee, Mamoswine, Charizard, Arceus, (Route ??)
Forte - Emerald: Flygon, Anorith, Whismur, Sceptile, Manetric, (Route 105)
Forte - HeartGold: Muk, Dugtrio, Wigglytuff, Meganium, Girafarig, (Route 5)
Forte - Black: Haxorus, Vullaby, Sawk, Leavanny, Galvantula, (Route 5)
Imperator61 - Platinum: Drapion, Spiritomb, Weavile, Ramparados, Gastrodon, (Route 209)
AoTora - Blaze Black 2: Tynamo, Patrat, Darumaka, Froslass, Honchkrow, (Route 12)
Matthew Jay Reynolds - Crystal: Scizor, Geodude, Caterpie, Entei, Qwilfish, (Route 6)
Matthew Jay Reynolds - Emerald: Grumpig, Seaking, Azurill, Camerupt, Aggron, (Route 106)
Trogd0r017 - SoulSilver: Typhlosion, Kakuna, Magneton, Clefable, Muk, (Route 8)
Keith - Emerald: Trapinch, Geodude, Aggron, Blaziken, Mightyena, (Route 108)
Slaying Moon - Perfect Platinum: Staryu, Machamp, Sunflora, Articuno, Giratina, (Route 212)
.Missingno - Crystal: Scizor, Furret, Raticate, Magmar, Steelix, (Route 6)
nikkisippi121 - Y: Gigalith, Haxorus, Voltorb, Lapras, Snorlax, Pidgey
Chevitile - Blaze Black 2: Scrafty, Clefable, Conkeldurr, Serperior, Manectric, (Route 3)
cscof - LeafGreen: Lickitung, Charmeleon, Clefable, Ninetales, Machamp, (Route 6)
bladeisbeast111 - FireRed: Raticate, Rattata, Bulbasaur, Sneasel, Umbreon, (Route 1)
Mattastro91 - FireRed: Butterfree, Blastoise, Venusaur, Jynx, Snorlax, (Route 1)
LiteSandwich - Blaze Black 2: Koffing, Pikachu, Poliwag, Glaceon, Houndoom, (Route 12)
the Anarchit3cht - Crystal: Granbull, Venonat, Arbok, Magmar, Machoke, (Route 6)
iPika - Emerald: Weezing, Venusaur, Skitty, Rhydon, Nidoking, (Route 110)

Champions:
Spoiler:

Bestwaffles - Ruby: Crawdaunt, Aggron, Koffing, Walrein, Houndoom, Numel
Serperion - Gold: Weezing, Magnemite, Kadabra, Typhlosion, Nidoking, Machoke
C
hevitile - FireRed Omega: Seaking, Pidgeot, Blastoise, Breloom, Ninetails, Wigglytuff
GucciMeme - Emerald: Cacturne, Whismur, Aggron, Ninetails, Donphan, Tentacruel
Zappaman - Platinum: Raichu, Staraptor, Munchlax, Infernape, Glalie, Machop
kingofeds - Blue: Hitmonlee, Caterpie, Bulbasaur, Jynx, Snorlax, Pidgey
Chevitile - StormSilver: Muk, Golem, Pidgeot, Cacturne, Typhlosion, Swablu
AoTora - FireRed: Lickitung, Ivysaur, Butterfree, Piloswine, Houndoom, Horsea
jdthebud - VoltWhite 2: Tauros, Zapdos, Delcatty, Beartic, Houndoom, Combee
hmvv - FireRed: Koffing, Arbok, Kingler, Golem, Venomoth, Drowzee
Superstrength79 - Y: Nidoran
♀, Noibat, Croagunk, Charmander, Lillipup, Ducklett
Waterlemon - X: Shedinja, Shellder, Hydreigon, Charizard, Zoroark, Inkay
Chevitile - Expert Emerald: Flygon, Azurill, Wingull, Bellossom, Rapidash, Doduo
AoTora - Diamond: Spiritomb, Prinplup, Happiny, Abomasnow, Houndoom, Quagsire
LilJz - FireRed: Electabuzz, Arbok, Wartortle, Moltres, Rhydon, Persian
bladeisbeast11 - Soulsilver: Furret, Golbat, Cyndaquil, Spheal, Houndoom
Chevitile - Sol Platinum: Quagsire, Misdreavus, Wurmple, Seedot, Ampharos, Magby
Enigma - Emerald: Flygon, Makuhita, Whispur, Sceptile, Manetric, Wailmer
bewbs - Y: Furret, Vaporeon, Delibird, Bellossom, Ampharos, Furfou

This sounds great, gonna try to get through Volt White 2 with this. Hopefully I can find the time for it.

Spoiler:
Name: Jdthebud
Game: Volt White 2
Pokemon: Tauros, Zapdos, Delcatty, Beartic, Houndoom, Route 12
Cool
Name: PokeMinez
Game: Black 2
Pokemon:Nidoqueen,Kangaskhan,Gothorita,Tepig,Cinncino and something on route 8
This is an interesting idea, but I have a question: What about the starter? Do you continue to use that until you get your first Pokemon on your list, then go with that alone?
This is an interesting idea, but I have a question: What about the starter? Do you continue to use that until you get your first Pokemon on your list, then go with that alone?
If you can catch your first Pokemon before the third gym, then just play with your starter until you catch it, and then box the starter. If, on the other hand, it is unobtainable before the third gym, it can be hacked/traded in at a low level to "replace" your starter. I will just update the rules now to make it clearer!
Current Challenges:

FireRed, Crystal, Sapphire,
Diamond 0/8, White, X

The Ones that Got Away: 1/16

Current B-I-N-G-O Challenge:
Grass Monotype - Sapphire 5/8
I'll definately do this one then, with Sapphire. I think I might have the toughest challenge yet, with Wingull for the first 2 gyms. I will post videos of this as well under spoiler tags.

Name: Airbourne Bubblun
Game: Sapphire
Pokemon: Weezing, Wingull, Vileplume, Magcargo, Crobat, Route 110.

Here's part 1 (The Zigzagoon/s will not be used in any way, only for pickup ability)

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EDIT: Here's part 2, 3 and 4

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Name:JayTheKing
Game:Platinum
Pokemon:skorupi
spiritomb
graveler
glaceon
murkrow/Honchkrow
bidoof

3DS:4871 4138 8216
Friend Safari:Bug with Combee,Illumise and Heracross!
Sounds like fun!

Name: Slaying Moon
Game: Sol Platinum
Pokemon:
1) 17th of December 1991 = 17+12+91=120, so Staryu (is it ok to evolve it?)
2) 17th, Gen IV = 17x4=68, so Machamp
3) December = 12x4x4=192, so Sunflora
4) December = Ice-type, so Glaceon
5) December = Black Pokemon, so Giratina (if allowed)
6) December = First Pokemon found on Route 212, so I'll wait and see what that one is
Nessuno può sfuggire del destino scelto.
Rimane solo il risultato: che voi sarete distrotte.
La eterna cima essiste solo per me.
Puoi cantare canzoni di tristezza nel mondo senza tempo.
Name: monsterhair005
Game: Ruby
Pokemon:
1) Wingull
2) Tentacool
3) Whismur
4) Treecko
5) Makuhita
6) Route 105
I actually will have to drop out of this.
Sounds cool, definitely joining!

One question though:
Spoiler:
If it's entertaining enough, I will do this challenge for each generation, but it will all be on hacks such as FireRed Omega or StormSilver where you can get every Pokémon from previous generations. Since the in-game Pokédex on those games are national from the beginning, does that mean I'll have to count from the national dex each time? That would give me the same Pokémon every time on slot 1-2. It would be better if I counted depending on generation, so even if I played a Gen 3 hack, I'd go from the regional dex from Gen 3.

Sign-up:
Name: Chevitile
Game: FireRed Omega
Team:
Spoiler:

1. 3 + 18 + 97 = 118, giving me Goldeen -> Seaking.
2. 18 x 1 = 18, giving me Pidgeot.
3. 3 x 1 x 1 = 3, giving me Blastoise.
4. I was born in March, so I'm picking Breloom.
5. I get to pick a yellow Pokémon, and my choice is Ninetales.
6. First encounter on Route 3.

Hopefully I did the math right...
I got a question: what if one of the starters is one of the pokemon on your list?

and I will like to join:
Pokemon:
1. Weezing
2. Ivysaur
3. Articuno
4. Jynx
5. Snorlax
6. first pokemon on route 12
Name: warship
Game: Firered
Pokemon:
1.Electabuzz
2.Poliwag (i suppose i can evolve it to Poliwrath right?)
3.Abra (again i hope i can evolve it to alakazam)
4.Arcanine
5.Machamp
6.Firstpokemon on Route 7
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FS:Fire
Growlithe - Charmeleon - Braixen
I'll join, even though it will break me eventually. I got a really bad turnout.
Birthday is 8/11/00

Masquerein
Aggron
Blaziken
Armaldo
first on route 108

EDIT - on emerald
a question: if the first pokemon i find in route 7 is growlithe, can i choose something else because im already set to have arcanine in my team.
|paired to Zorogami and Virgilin|PM|VM|About Me
FC: 4425-2910-1181
FS:Fire
Growlithe - Charmeleon - Braixen
a question: if the first pokemon i find in route 7 is growlithe, can i choose something else because im already set to have arcanine in my team.
Unfortunately, no. You have to think of rule six kind of like a Nuzlocke, it's the first Pokemon or nothing. You can however, choose not to have six Pokemon and just stick with the five by not catching the first Pokemon on Route 7.
Current Challenges:

FireRed, Crystal, Sapphire,
Diamond 0/8, White, X

The Ones that Got Away: 1/16

Current B-I-N-G-O Challenge:
Grass Monotype - Sapphire 5/8
Oh, this looks fun!

Name
Me! I'll be playing under a different name though.

Game
Pokemon Blaze Black 2

Pokemon
Rhyhorn
Dodrio
Ho-oh
Shieldon
Gengar
Route 10
I'd like to join

My team:
1. Lickitung
2. Ivysaur (if FireRed Omega counts as gen 1)
3. Butterfree
4. Piloswine
5. Houndoom
6. First pokemon on route 12 (need to check how the routes are marked in FR Omega)
I don't care about EV's or IV's - I play for fun not competitive.
I don't own consoles - I play on emulators on my computer.

Do what you believe in and believe in what you do. All else is a waste of energy and time ~ Nisargadatta.

Love is the only power that can change an enemy into a friend. ~ Martin Luther King.

I am a fan of Criminal Minds, Crossing Jordan and some other series. I am also Harry Potter fan and Disney fan (I love Frozen!) - I also like other animes beside Pokemon.
This sounds fun!

Name: WeightyWillBill
Game: Emerald
Team:
1. Cacturne
2. Geodude - Graveler (no trade in VBA's)
3. Torkoal
4. Blaziken
5. Skarmory
6. First Pokemon encountered on Route 106

Edit: So, I found out there are no real encounters on Route 106, unless I use a fishing rod, or surf. Is it okay to use the fishing rod to get the Pokemon on Route 106?

I will continue to update with every gym cleared, and in Part 5, Roxanne is beaten, but only just. Team: Wingull + 5 zigzagoons (pickup ability)

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Looks really fun =)! So, my birthday is 21st December, '99, so:

Name: TheDawningGlaceon
Game: White
Pokemon:
1) Bouffalant
3) Zekrom
4) Beartic (Trading in as a Cubchoo first)
5) Sigilyph
6) First Pokemon from Route 12
geodude (will evolve)
munchlax (will evolve, hacking in)
grass type (oddish, hacking in)
yellow (vespiqueen, hacking in combee)
route 203 (month is 3, game starts with 201 (pearl))

not sure when I'll start this...
Completed Chalenges on Pokémon Pearl
Electric Monotype
No-Catch Challenge hard mode
Pichu Solo Run (post-game)
Budew Solo Run
Azurill Solo Run
friend safari: Bug (Paras, Vivilion, Masquerain) FC 2621-2615-8242
Name ^
Dec 21, 1997 on Sapphire
2. Abra (Will hack to replace Kadabra with Alakazam at level 32)
3. Teddiursa (Will hack in at level of first wild Pokemon I see on route next to Day Care)
4. Glalie
5. Duskull/Dusclops
6. Route 112 (Literally either Numel or Machop with a 75/25 split, if Machop is chosen Machamp will also be hacked in at 32)

Picking Mudkip because I can use him for HM slaving
Introduction

Hello one and all and welcome to the Date of Birth Challenge! The premise is simple, your DOB dictates your team members, this may result in some very interesting combinations! Here's how it works:

1. Take the day you were born, and add it to the month and the last two digits of the year.

2. Take the day you were born and multiply it by the Generation of game you are playing.

3. Take the month you were born in and multiply it by the Generation of the game you are playing, squared.

4.
- a)If you were born in December, January or February, select an Ice type of your choice.
- b)If you were born in March, April or May, select a Grass type of your choice.
- c)If you were born in June, July or August, select a Fire type of your choice.
- d)If you were born in September, October or November, select a Rock type of your choice.

5.
- a)If you were born in December, January or February, select a Black Pokemon of your choice.
- b)If you were born in March, April or May, select a Yellow Pokemon of your choice.
- c)If you were born in June, July or August, select a Gray Pokemon of your choice.
- d)If you were born in September, October or November, select a Purple Pokemon of your choice.

6. The first Pokemon found on the route that corresponds to the month you were born in.

For the first three Pokemon picking rules, take the resultant number, and the Pokemon you get is the Pokemon that corresponds to that number in the Regional Dex of your selected game. If the number exceeds the number of Pokemon in your Regional Dex of choice, simply half it, and if necessary, round up up to the nearest number to obtain your Pokemon! As I understand this can all be a bit confusing, I have provided an example below.

There are some problems with the Pokemon choosing process. I plan on attempting this on Gold/Silver. Below should be my team, based on your specifications.

1. January 3rd, 1995. 1+3+95=99. #99 is Kingler.
2. Gold/Silver is Gen. 2. 3x2= 6. #6 is Charizard.
3. 1x2^2= 4. #4 is Charmander. *See something here?*
4. Piloswine.
5. Umbreon.
6. Route 1 isn't available in Gold/Silver until the Kanto Region.

My concerns here are: What do I do about the whole 'Charizard/Charmander' deal? It seems kind of unnecessary to have two Charizards in my team. Also, because route 1 isn't available until later in the game, does this mean I have to roll with only five Pokemon until that point, or what do I do?

The Captain's Crew:
OH what the hecky, I've got time to kill before October 12th. It was either this or do a Dunsparce-only run of HG, which, as hilarious as that sounds, would probably kill me.

I was born on July 8th, 1990 (7/8/90 wut wut), and I will be adding some much-needed Gen 2 love to this challenge, and rocking HeartGold on the actual cart, so no hacks or anything.

1. Exeggcute
2. Fearow
3. Poliwag
4. Typhlosion (hell yes get to keep my favorite starter)
5. Aron/Lairon (both are in the Johto Safari Zone, and I'll just go by whichever one I manage to catch first)
6. First Pokemon I catch on route 7, and I'm hoping to get a Shinx there.

Excited to do this! While I love Gen 2, I had lost interest in my copy of HG.