2011 VGC Team-The Mafia

[Pokemafia]

2011 VGC Team-The Mafia​

This team is for next years VGC (yeah this year competitor number limit prevented me from goin) so I decided to start preparing as early as possilbe, anyways, on with the team:

At a Glance

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In more detail (not in order, Stratergies/team line-ups posted afterwards with detail on the pokes as it goes.):​

Kyogre @Choice Scarf
Modest Nature
4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd

-Water Spout
-Ice Beam
-Thunder
-Hydro Pump

Ludicolo @Lum Berry
Modest Nature
Swift Swim
4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd

-Fake Out
-Grass Knot
-Ice Beam
-Hydro Pump

Metagross @Occa Berry
Adamant Nature
Clear Body
248 HP / 232 Atk / 28 Spe

-Stealth Rock
-Meteor Mash
-Bullet Punch
-Explosion

Dragonite @Life Orb
Rash Nature
Inner Focus
196 Atk / 252 SpAtk / 60 Spe

-Draco Meteor
-Super Power
-Fire Blast
-Extreemespeed

Giratina@ Choice Scarf
Hasty Nature
Pressure
252 Atk / 4 Sp Att / 252 Spe

- Shadow Force
- Dragon Claw
- Shadow Sneak
- Safeguard / Will-o-wisp

Garchomp@ Choice Scarf
Jolly Nature
Sand Veil
4 Hp / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

- Outrage- Want to change but not sure what I should to
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw
- Stone Edge

Now you've seen the team, I'll go over the 3 stratergies I like to use.​

Stratergy 1:​

Sent out 1st:

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The aim here is for Metagross to set up Stealth rock immediatly, making it easier
for later game sweepers, once it's set up use Meteor Mash to inflict damage before
finishing off with bullet punch. With Dragonite, use either Superpower/ Draco meteor (as this is mixed It doesn't
matter of my Atk goes down from Draco Metoer) before finishing off with extreemespeed.
I'll use fireblast to deal with Skarmory/ Metagross.
Now the foe has sent out their last 2 Pokes, both of mine are pretty hurt now, So Dragonite uses extreemespeed
to cripple one of the foes, then Metagross explodes, damaging both foes, and resulting in both of mine fainting.​

Notes: The foe may be expecting a lead Dragonite aswell, this set will susrprise them.​

Send out:

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Now the foe has been crippled by extreemespped and explosion, I'll send out Kyogre with either Ludicolo or Garchomp.
Kyogre will finish off both of them with Water Spout, if one remains Garchomp may go in for a finisher with its high attack,
or I'll use Ludicolo to abuse the rain to get hight speed and hit hard home woth Hydropump.​

Stratergy 2:​

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This duo makes good use of the rain, Kyogre spams water spout while
Ludicolo makes use of the speed boost and fakes out any threats tryiong to cause serious damage or set up calm mind,
dragon dance etc. It also hurts with hydropump and can hurt the big heavy water-type lead Swampert
with grass knot, grass know can also be used to damage any lead Kyogres.​

Send out:​

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By now the foe has fainted or I have (or both) from an exchange of moves.
To finish the foe off I'll send out the quick and effective hit man duo,
Garchomp, and for boosted fire-power (not litrely) MixNite.
Garchomp finishes off what the first duo started, while MixNite breaks down any late game walls the foe might throw at me.​

Stratergies 3&4:​

These are the same as stratergies 1&2, except for I replace Ludicolo
and Garchomp (because I will have used him twice and the foe will know what to expect) with Choice scarf, revenge killing Giratina that is sure to finish off any remaininf foe's pokemon​

Well thankyou VERY much for reading my first RMT, as I said in the
introduction, I'm new to this, so don't go harsh on me, that doesn't
mean don't tell me how to improve, I'd like to keep the same pokes
if possible, movesets, natures, ev spreads etc. I am willing to change though,
but if it really comes to it, I can change a poke.​

Pokes that aren't threats because they're
banned in the vgc banned list:​

151 - Mew
251 - Celebi
385 - Jirachi
386 - Deoxys
489 - Phione
490 - Manaphy
491 - Darkrai
492 - Shaymin
493 - Arceus ​

To really see who is better for 2v2 battles, I've posted the same thing
on PC, and on Smogon.​

 

[.Gamer]

We can't rate this for vgc '11 because they might use gen 5 pokemon and we dont know any of them yet as far as movepools and stats go.

 

[aragornbird]

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Cool formatting BUT....

I am determined to get a superb team for next year's VGC.

What makes you so sure next year's VGC won't be for Black/White? And what makes you so sure it won't be for triple battles instead of double battles?

No ev's as it is caught at lvl 50, and being leveled down, evs are pointless

Totally NOT true. Pokemon keeps all their EVs no matter what level they are at. A Level 100 Pokemon will have the same EVs even when they're at Level 50.

Anyways, onto the team:

SubSeed Ludicolo will NOT work in VGC. Substitute is bad in 2 vs. 2 because you can and will be double targeted, where the first attack breaks the sub and the second attack KOs Ludicolo.

Also, why on earth are you using Rain Dance when you have Kyogre on your team? Wouldn't it make more sense to...you know...LEAD WITH KYOGRE instead of Zapdos? That way, you won't have to waste a turn using Rain Dance and would have the rain automatically.

For Zapdos, why would you give it Damp Rock? Damp Rock only works if the HOLDER uses Rain Dance, not your ally. Furthermore, Charge is terrible and makes no sense to have it. You could just use Thunder twice and do the same amount of damage. The nature is for Ludicolo and Zapdos are bad. VGCs are ultra offensive. There's no point in giving sweepers defense boosting natures because in the end, it won't have much of an effect.

What you should do is scrap Ludicolo's set and give it

Ludicolo @Lum Berry
Modest Nature
Swift Swim
4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd

-Fake Out
-Grass Knot
-Ice Beam
-Hydro Pump

Your partner should be the following

Kyogre @Choice Scarf
Modest Nature
4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd

-Water Spout
-Ice Beam
-Thunder
-Hydro Pump

On Palkia, Outrage is terrible because it targets a random opponent instead of allowing you to select which opponent to hit.

Use the following instead

Palkia @Haban Berry
Timid Nature
4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd

-Spacial Rend
-Thunder
-Surf
-Protect

It's probably better that you didn't enter this year's VGC because you wouldn't have won anyways. I'm not saying that to be mean, I'm saying it because it's the truth. You seem to have no knowledge of 2 vs 2 battling, which is totally different than 1 vs. 1 battling. DO NOT USE SMOGON FOR 2vs2 MOVESETS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY!

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[Pokemafia]

Thank you for all your advice; Let's just say that the vgc next year IS 2v2 ok? If it is made 3v3 later I will change this.

No ev's as it is caught at lvl 50, and being leveled down, evs are pointless
Totally NOT true. Pokemon keeps all their EVs no matter what level they are at. A Level 100 Pokemon will have the same EVs even when they're at Level 50.

I didn't know that, so , I have a poke caught at level 60, I ev train it, ad at level 61 I get lots of evs, will these evs, even though I earned them past level 50, increase my level 50 stats when I battle?

Also, I didn't know about damp rock..

To clarify:
Use the Swift swimmer ludicolo
An offensive Zapdos
Switch choice specs for scarf and replace surf with hydro pump on Kyogre
Modify Palkia

It's probably better that you didn't enter this year's VGC because you wouldn't have won anyways. I'm not saying that to be mean, I'm saying it because it's the truth. You seem to have no knowledge of 2 vs 2 battling, which is totally different than 1 vs. 1 battling. DO NOT USE SMOGON FOR 2vs2 MOVESETS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY!

his is the best bit of advice I've had of PC,ty aragorn bird.
I wanted to go to this year's vgc to test out the team, good job I didn't go;)
If smogon is for competitive battling you'd think they'd have 2v2 strategies for the vgc,
Also, I have no knowledge of 2v2 battling you're right, and finally, do you know a site that is for 2v2 battling?

I added a mixmamo mamoswine sweeper instead of zapdos

 

[Pokemafia]

https://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/metagross

I'm adding this guy to my team, but not sure which set: in link, to go with,
ideas?

btw my beldum is adamant.

Any Comments on the changes made, and what Beldum to use?

 

[Pokemafia]

Bump? ANY comments?
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[aragornbird]

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Your team is even worse now that you removed Zapdos. I mean, how does Mamoswine benefit from the Rain? Sure it isn't weak to Fire anymore, but that's it. Plus, using Earthquake will hurt your team mates as well as your opponents.

I've told you this before: Don't copy sets from Smogon if you're battling on 2vs2

Skarmbliss is a smaller site but it focuses on double battles, especially VGC.

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[Pokemafia]

Thanks, I'm going to keep mamo in the team, I just don't send him out when I'm using the rain set up, I'll send him out with another poke, which I've decided is lead metagross.

Bump, big team update, please read all to understand how my team functions before rating it.

 

[aragornbird]

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Do I really have have to spell it out for you?

D-O N-O-T U-S-E S-I-N-G-L-E B-A-T-T-L-E S-T-R-A-T-E-G-I-E-S I-N D-O-U-B-L-E B-A-T-T-L-E-S!

Don't use ANY movesets from Smogon if you're playing 2vs2. Smogon's movesets are all for 1vs1 battles. They will NOT work in 2 vs 2!

First of all, setting up Stealth Rock or any sort of entry hazard is useless in 2 vs 2. People will rarely ever switch Pokemon because switching can put you more at a disadvantage than an advantage. Plus, wasting a turn to set up Stealth Rock just gives your opponents a free turn to set up.

Secondly, make better use of double-hitting moves, moves that hit both opponents i.e. Heat Wave instead of Flamethrower/Fire Blast and Rock Slide instead of Stone Edge.
Priority moves are also important, but you already have some of them.

Third, make better use of Protect. Protect is arguably one of the most valuable moves in double battles and a well timed Protect can turn a potential loss into a win.

Fixed three of your movesets so that they are more geared towards Double Battles:

Metagross @Occa Berry
Adamant Nature
252 HP / 252 Atk / 6 Def

-Meteor Mash
-Bullet Punch
-Explosion
-Earthquake

Dragonite @Lum Berry/Yache Berry
Naughty/Naive Nature
252 Atk / 6 SAtk / 252 Spd

-Dragon Claw
-Heat Wave
-Protect
-Extremespeed

Garchomp @Yache Berry/Focus Sash
Jolly Nature
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd

-Dragon Claw
-Earthquake
-Protect
-Rock Slide

Also it's STRATEGIES, NOT STRATERGIES.

I posted the same thing in your thread on Smogon btw.

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[Pokemafia]

You have a Smogon account? Kool and lots of thanks.
Replied on Smogon.