A 1/15 in originality

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The Platifail metagame lacks a lot of originality. The pokemon you see always have the same sets: Double Dance Kingdra, ScarfTran, DDTar, DD Gyara, the list goes on. If you can come up with at least 1 pokemon who isn't one of those boring old standards, you might be able to pull out a few victories- and leaving ur opponent standing there, confused.

In this team, I implemented two original pokemon sets that few others have thought of into the team. These pokemon are the ones that usually net me victories.

One thing I don't enjoy is the fact that noone rates my teams. Although its probably because they're so screwed up, ppl don't know where to start, I would appreciate itif you would at least try to give some advice. Thanks!


THE LEAD

Aerodactyl @ Focus Sash
Jolly Nature
252 Atk/ 252 Spe/ 6 HP

Earthquake
Stealth Rock
Taunt
Stone Edge

This is the classic Stealth Rock suicide lead. Aerodactyl's main job is to put up rocks and die honorably. There are a lot of leads that are designed to just kill off Aerodactyl these days, however. Because of this, I never use Taunt, and am thinking about dropping it.

THE REVENGE KILLER

Heatran @ Choice Scarf
Naive Nature
252 Spa/ 252 Spe/ 6 Atk

Fire Blast
HP Ice
Explosion
Earth Power

Scarftran is here to keep the naughty Lukes and Zors away. FIre Blast deals with Scizor, while Luke doesn't like Earth Power. Explosion just hurts.

The Gyarados Counter

Porygon2@Leftovers
Bold Nature
252 HP/ 216 Def/ 40 Spa

Thunder Wave
Recover
Ice Beam
Discharge

I had a bad Gyarados weak, so I brought in this guy. Discharge brings in parahax, T-Wave messes up a lot of things, and Ice Beam stops the dragons.



THE SPECIAL SWEEPER

Kingdra @ CHoice Specs
Timid Nature- Swift Swim
252 Spa/ 252 Spe/ 6 HP

Hydro Pump
Draco Meteor
Ice Beam
HP Electric

Another shocker to most teams, Specsdra can OHKO to 2HKO most common threats. Draco Meteor hits 2HKO's on Luke, Heatran, and Vappy, and OHKOes GYara with SR up. Hydro Pump demolishes practically everything that DM doesn't besides Grass users, which succumb to Ice Beam. HP Electric is a filler, put does provide a secondary check to Gyara.

THE GUTS ABUSER

Machamp @ Leftovers
Adamant Nature- No Guard
252 HP/ 110 Atk/ 144 Def

DynamicPunch
Ice Punch/Stone Edge
Rest
Sleep Talk

Tyranitar Counter, as well as status absorber. Machamp can dish out some pretty hard damage as well with D-Punch. Im not sure whether to go with Ice Punch for the dragons, Stone Edge for Gyara, or Payback for Ghosts. Although SE hits most dragons, I'm concerned about Flygon, whose usage is up.

THE PHYSICAL SWEEPER

Scizor @ Life Orb
Adamant Nature-Technician
252 Atk/ 252 HP/ 6 Spe

Bullet Punch
Roost
Superpower
Swords Dance

SD Scizor is a terror to most teams. SD up, then destroy with a base 90 priority in BP and Superpower, which is horrific to most teams. Roost keeps me alive longer.


My Biggest Problems

-The lack of a Phazer- This allows Baton Pass teams to come in and set up in my face.
-Hail Teams- Abomasnow leads take out huge chunks of my team, then Walrein stalls everybody else off. Again, Phazing could be a big help.
-Curselax- If it gets a curse up, I can't do much to it, especially if Machamp is down.


Changes Implemented
-Changed Signal Beam to U-Turn on Zapdos
-Changed CB Machamp to RestTalk Machamp
-Changed Celebi to Pory2
-Changed ScarfZappy to ScarfTran
-Changed Toxic to T-Wave on Pory2

 

[Dark Azelf]

What is Signal Beam for ? U-Turn is much better for scouting and what not.

Ill come back later if i spot anything else.

 

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What is Signal Beam for ? U-Turn is much better for scouting and what not.

Ill come back later if i spot anything else.

K. Signal Beam was mainly a filler. I'll change to U-Turn.

 

[Anti]

uhhhhhhhh Celebi is a horrible status absorber. It has problems with Gengar and Yanmega, and Celebi has to switch out for the status to go away, so it's kind of a lose-lose situation. Also, you should LO that since it hits more things for neutral than for supereffective. Don't lie to yourself: status rapes this team.

I'd make Machamp Resttalk, which allows you to take status a little better (though not much, but at least you actually TAKE it lol). It also decimates Curselax and of course Tyranitar. Also, Draco Meteor doesn't 2HKO Heatran lol. It doesn't even 3HKO...

You're also Gyarados weak. Machamp is OHKOed 41% of the time by Waterfall after a DD (assuming it's all-out offense) with SR down. It can always Waterfall you switching in, and you're toast. Kingdra is OHKOed by EQ/Stone Edge 53% of the time with SR down. Celebi is OHKOed 67% of the time with SR down when it Ice Fangs you.

In other words, get a Gyarados counter. Hoping to get a good roll on damage and assuming everything is at full health switching in is a BAD idea. Unless you're fine relying on your (SR weak) revenge killer to beat it. What I'm saying is that leaving the the way they are doesn't mean Gyara sweeps you every time, but you're very vulnerable.

 

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uhhhhhhhh Celebi is a horrible status absorber. It has problems with Gengar and Yanmega, and Celebi has to switch out for the status to go away, so it's kind of a lose-lose situation. Also, you should LO that since it hits more things for neutral than for supereffective. Don't lie to yourself: status rapes this team.
Status does cause me problems, I'll change Champy to RestTalk.

I'd make Machamp Resttalk, which allows you to take status a little better (though not much, but at least you actually TAKE it lol). It also decimates Curselax and of course Tyranitar. Also, Draco Meteor doesn't 2HKO Heatran lol. It doesn't even 3HKO...

You're also Gyarados weak. Machamp is OHKOed 41% of the time by Waterfall after a DD (assuming it's all-out offense) with SR down. It can always Waterfall you switching in, and you're toast. Kingdra is OHKOed by EQ/Stone Edge 53% of the time with SR down. Celebi is OHKOed 67% of the time with SR down when it Ice Fangs you.

In other words, get a Gyarados counter. Hoping to get a good roll on damage and assuming everything is at full health switching in is a BAD idea. Unless you're fine relying on your (SR weak) revenge killer to beat it. What I'm saying is that leaving the the way they are doesn't mean Gyara sweeps you every time, but you're very vulnerable.

Gyara hasn't been giving me too much problems, since Kingdra usually comes in with DM or HP and destroys it, or they die by prediction. I'll look into a Gyara counter though. What's a good Gyara counter that can inflict status?

 

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Porygon2 @ Leftovers
Bold || Trace
252 HP / 120 Def / 40 SpA / 96 SpD

Ice Beam
Discharge / Thunderbolt
Recover
Magic Coat / Thunder Wave

This thing kills Gyara. Switch in and it will lower his attack using Trace (Intimidate) then proceed to bulk of some hits while Thunderbolting or Discharge. If you choose Thunder Wave, pick Thunderbolt for added damage but if you want Magic Coat, go with Discharge. Recover to heal off any damage received and Ice Beam for coverage.

He is rather successful as a lead, but you could use him anywhere I guess, he takes on Gyarados' quite well and spreadsstatus like you asked for, so he is my recommendation.

 

[Samson]

max speed timid zapdos w/ scarf? overkill anyone?

if you're going to run roost on scizor, at least give it a whole lot more bulk. assuming that it'll manage with its base defenses is silly to assume. otherwise, you should put some serious consideration into running a CB set.

 

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Porygon2 @ Leftovers
Bold || Trace
252 HP / 120 Def / 40 SpA / 96 SpD

Ice Beam
Discharge / Thunderbolt
Recover
Magic Coat / Thunder Wave

This thing kills Gyara. Switch in and it will lower his attack using Trace (Intimidate) then proceed to bulk of some hits while Thunderbolting or Discharge. If you choose Thunder Wave, pick Thunderbolt for added damage but if you want Magic Coat, go with Discharge. Recover to heal off any damage received and Ice Beam for coverage.

He is rather successful as a lead, but you could use him anywhere I guess, he takes on Gyarados' quite well and spreadsstatus like you asked for, so he is my recommendation.

Yeah, I'll go with that. hOwever, since Discharge provides parahax, ima stick with toxic>>T-wave.

max speed timid zapdos w/ scarf? overkill anyone? lolno

if you're going to run roost on scizor, at least give it a whole lot more bulk. assuming that it'll manage with its base defenses is silly to assume. otherwise, you should put some serious consideration into running a CB set.

I just realized that I put the wrong EVs on Scizor. and wrong nature lol. Making those changes as well.

Also, I was talking to D_A and Anti, and they convinced me to change my revenge killer to ScarfTran.

 

[Anti]

Move the SDef EVs on P2 to defense.

Use Thunder Wave >>> Toxic. Conflicting status probably isn't a good idea, especially since Discharge is really unreliable. Thunder Wave is generally better anyways.

 

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Shouldn't Toxic be there to stop walls or stuff that resists T-Wave, like Gliscor?

 

[Dark Azelf]

Shouldn't Toxic be there to stop walls or stuff that resists T-Wave, like Gliscor?

But....porygon2 has Ice Beam, why are you worrying about Gliscor lol ?

 

[Anti]

Shouldn't Toxic be there to stop walls or stuff that resists T-Wave, like Gliscor?

I don't know about you, but I'd much rather give a wall a free switch-in instead of a sweeper...

...And as D_A said, Porygon2 handles most walls anyways, and stuff like Blissey laughs at Toxic anyways.

 

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I don't know about you, but I'd much rather give a wall a free switch-in instead of a sweeper...

...And as D_A said, Porygon2 handles most walls anyways, and stuff like Blissey laughs at Toxic anyways.

Ok, that makes sense. I'll change Toxic to T-Wave. Any more changes?

EDIT: I just tested the team with its changes. Although it does annoy a lot of ppl, one things that's been hindering me is the lack of a fighting resist.

 

[Samson]

specs celebi is an option over specs kingdra. requires more prediction for causing damage but does good damage nonetheless. not sure how much standard LOGyara does w/ Ice Fang to Celebi, but something worth checking over.

 

[Dark Azelf]

I told you on shoddy that scarf Heat rotom would do better >> tran and it also gives you a fighting immunity.

 

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I told you on shoddy that scarf Heat rotom would do better >> tran and it also gives you a fighting immunity.

Ok. I don't know the set completely, is it T-Bolt or Discharge/Overheat/Shadow Ball/HP Fighting?

 

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The fact that you're using Close Combat on a ResTalk Machamp leads me to believe you're either incredibly stupid, or just a troll. I'm leaning towards the latter, I'm keeping my eye on you ;(

Use Dynamipunch/Low Kick >>> It

 

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The fact that you're using Close Combat on a ResTalk Machamp leads me to believe you're either incredibly stupid, or just a troll. I'm leaning towards the latter, I'm keeping my eye on you ;(

Use Dynamipunch/Low Kick >>> It

The reason I'm using CC is to not give away the fact that Champy is RestTalk, which allows setups to occur. Should I change it?

 

[Anti]

The fact that you're using Close Combat on a ResTalk Machamp leads me to believe you're either incredibly stupid, or just a troll. I'm leaning towards the latter, I'm keeping my eye on you ;(

Use Dynamipunch/Low Kick >>> It

lol I love you Vance

But what he's saying isn't far from the truth. Close Combat is unbelievably silly. Use No Guard Dynamicpunch, which prevents it from being a set-up fodder (Flygon surely won't like that). Again wow o_O

I don't mean to bug you but what does this team actually DO? What is the strategy? 6 Pokemon that are weak to very little doesn't magically make your team good...so what exactly do you DO? I mean from the looks of it, it looks like this team travels around aimlessly until Kingdra comes in :x

 

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lol I love you Vance

But what he's saying isn't far from the truth. Close Combat is unbelievably silly. Use No Guard Dynamicpunch, which prevents it from being a set-up fodder (Flygon surely won't like that). Again wow o_O

I don't mean to bug you but what does this team actually DO? What is the strategy? 6 Pokemon that are weak to very little doesn't magically make your team good...so what exactly do you DO? I mean from the looks of it, it looks like this team travels around aimlessly until Kingdra comes in :x

I was making this team to try and revolve around Scizor and Kingdra, who are the two sweepers. I usually have Pory2, Champy, and Tran kill off all of the threats. Scizor makes a nice late-game cleanup, while Kingdra usually is there to hit hard on the incoming counters. Celebi also was there as a sweeper to clean up some messes and inflict status before Pory2 came around.