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[Anti]

I was making this team to try and revolve around Scizor and Kingdra, who are the two sweepers. I usually have Pory2, Champy, and Tran kill off all of the threats. Scizor makes a nice late-game cleanup, while Kingdra usually is there to hit hard on the incoming counters. Celebi also was there as a sweeper to clean up some messes and inflict status before Pory2 came around.

But your team doesn't support either of them at all lol. Strategy isn't "well I hurt stuff with pokemon x and defend with pokemon y and pokemon z." It doesn't work that way.

I mean, I don't see how this team is even remotely competitive against stall unless you can blow up Blissey, but don't count on it. You do better against offensive teams, but let's be fair here, Kingdra is the only one that can hit them back for anything until the late game maybe (but you still don't have anything to lure and kill Scizor's counters, so even then it might not matter). I doubt you'll be able to hold up long enough against a well-constructed offensive team to win.

In other words, I don't think your "strategy" is really going to...work ._. It has too many problems with common pokemon and team types, especially the latter.

 

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The reason I'm using CC is to not give away the fact that Champy is RestTalk, which allows setups to occur. Should I change it?

The second they see Leftovers = ResTalker. And you're gonna have to Rest once in a while. Things that counter CBMachamp EASILY counter ResTalker, at least Dyanmicpunch makes it harder to switch in.

 

[Skip Shot]

But your team doesn't support either of them at all lol. Strategy isn't "well I hurt stuff with pokemon x and defend with pokemon y and pokemon z." It doesn't work that way.

I mean, I don't see how this team is even remotely competitive against stall unless you can blow up Blissey, but don't count on it. You do better against offensive teams, but let's be fair here, Kingdra is the only one that can hit them back for anything until the late game maybe (but you still don't have anything to lure and kill Scizor's counters, so even then it might not matter). I doubt you'll be able to hold up long enough against a well-constructed offensive team to win.

In other words, I don't think your "strategy" is really going to...work ._. It has too many problems with common pokemon and team types, especially the latter.

What do you suggest then? The team's been doing pretty well so far.

 

[Anti]

What do you suggest then? The team's been doing pretty well so far.

...Getting a strategy lol

As in, make a plan that you want to start executing from the first turn, and be sure you are prepared for when your plan doesn't go like you want it to as that happens a lot.

For example, how does Aero contribute to your plan? Is SR that important? Stuff like that...in fact, I actually do wonder why exactly you have it >_>

EDIT: why the HELL are you using Timid on something who needs its power as much as Kingdra ?_?

 

[Skip Shot]

...Getting a strategy lol

As in, make a plan that you want to start executing from the first turn, and be sure you are prepared for when your plan doesn't go like you want it to as that happens a lot.

For example, how does Aero contribute to your plan? Is SR that important? Stuff like that...in fact, I actually do wonder why exactly you have it >_>

EDIT: why the HELL are you using Timid on something who needs its power as much as Kingdra ?_?

Ok... SR is pretty important to me because it helps me net quite a few KO's. Aero's job will be to get Rocks up the first turn, unless I can see Status or Rocks coming. If Rocks are coming, I Taunt, If Status is coming, I can switch to Machamp. After that, its hard to make an effective startegy, because there's a lot of variables- hax, what they have, and so on.

I'll try strategizing by giving each Pokemon roles on the team.

Aero- Put up Rocks.
Machamp- Take Status, and counter Tyranitar. Status can screw over everyone on my team.
Porygon2- Counter Gyarados, inflict status, and stop physical sweepers, mainly DD sweepers. Pory2 needs to counter GYara, because Gyara can wall Scizor and 2HKO with Waterfall. The Dragons also give Scizor no mercy.
Heatran- Revenge kill anything that kills one of my pokemon off. PLay safe on switches. Since ScarfTran is common on other teams, I can Earth Power and hope to net a kill from that. Revenge killing makes it easier to finish opponents off late game.
Kingdra- Hit things hard, maybe KO early game, make them easy to pick off.
Scizor- Clean up late-game.

Is that viable, or sucky?

Oh, Kingdra has Timid so it can outspeed DD Kingdra and kill off with DM. That's also why Swift Swim is there, helps against the double Dancers.

 

[Anti]

You're listing each pokemon's individual strategy and what they do for the team, not the team's strategy itself...

EDIT: Strategy is how you plan to win games. "Revenge kills stuff" does not explain that very well.

You don't have to put an explanation of your startegy in every RMT or anything, but you have to have a strategy or your team won't be very good.

 

[Skip Shot]

I never really thought of a team strategy. I guess the current one is having the team revolve around Scizor, and keep it from dying/entering until late game, where it can sweep efficiently.

 

[Anti]

But in order for that to be successful you need to get Scizor some support like a lure and things that do well against its counters. Otherwise it won't work consistently.

 

[Skip Shot]

From what I've seen, the best counters to Scizor are Gyarados, Tangrowth, Infernape, the Rotom forms, and Skarmory. Gyarados gets taken care of by Porygon2, Tangrowth doesn't like Heatran or Kingdra, Infernape also falls to Kingdra, Skarm gets taken care of by Pory2, Kingdra, or Heatran. The only trouble I'm going to get with Scizor is from the Rotom forms. I can counter those with Kingdra, who can 2HKO iirc with DM/Hydro Pump, and Pory2 can dispatch non Rest-Talkers with T-Wave. Heatran can also take the predicted Overheat from Oventom.

Anything I missed?

 

[Dark Azelf]

From what I've seen, the best counters to Scizor are Tangrowth

Ew, no its an awful counter since it gets owned by X-Scissor.

A strategy can be as simple as using CB Tar to Pursuit Blissey or using Dugtrio to remove Blissey and then sweeping with <insert special sweeper here>, another one is lure tran, setting up SR and Exploding/Toxicing bulky water thus alowing Gyarados to sweep. More recently it seems to be using Scarf Magnezone to remove scizor / <insert steel> and then sweeping with Latias (These are just examples and wouldnt be fitting in with this team). Its really not hard to come up with a way to ensure the game opens up for x pokemon when y pokemon is out of the picture ;).

I still feel Thunderwave is so redundant on Porygon2 especially when it gets stuff like Discharge, Toxic at least lets this team do something to zapdos/ rotom formes and make it much easier for scizor to sweep late game and with all the Toxic/SR damage it aint walling scizor for much longer.


As to your previous question, yes that is the set for scarf rotom, again so you can at least have something that doesnt get owned by Close Combat. However Trick on said set would be decent too to lure in blissey <insert special wall >and thus making Kingdra's job one heck of alot easier, but you would then you would be more at risk from CB Tar@Pursuit and what not without HP Fight which is the only logical move to put Trick over, so meh.

 

[Skip Shot]

Ew, no its an awful counter since it gets owned by X-Scissor.
Since I don't have X-Scissor on here...

A strategy can be as simple as using CB Tar to Pursuit Blissey or using Dugtrio to remove Blissey and then sweeping with <insert special sweeper here>, another one is lure tran, setting up SR and Exploding/Toxicing bulky water thus alowing Gyarados to sweep. More recently it seems to be using Scarf Magnezone to remove scizor / <insert steel> and then sweeping with Latias (These are just examples and wouldnt be fitting in with this team). Its really not hard to come up with a way to ensure the game opens up for x pokemon when y pokemon is out of the picture ;).

I still feel Thunderwave is so redundant on Porygon2 especially when it gets stuff like Discharge, Toxic at least lets this team do something to zapdos/ rotom formes and make it much easier for scizor to sweep late game and with all the Toxic/SR damage it aint walling scizor for much longer.
Gah, One tells me that T-Wave is better, another says Toxic. Although T-Wave has helped me set up several Scizor sweeps (cripples Heatran), I'll give Toxic a trial run.


As to your previous question, yes that is the set for scarf rotom, again so you can at least have something that doesnt get owned by Close Combat. However Trick on said set would be decent too to lure in blissey <insert special wall >and thus making Kingdra's job one heck of alot easier, but you would then you would be more at risk from CB Tar@Pursuit and what not without HP Fight which is the only logical move to put Trick over, so meh.

Question on Scarftom: If I dropped Shadow Ball, which would probably be rarely used, could I run HP Fighting/Overheat/T-Bolt/Trick?


So, I guess my strategy is to hit things early with Kingdra, cripple Scizor's counters with P2, then clean up with Scizor.

 

[Anti]

So, I guess my strategy is to hit things early with Kingdra, cripple Scizor's counters with P2, then clean up with Scizor.

No...you still don't get strategy. D_A explained it well, but p2 is not going to open up a Scizor sweeper, EVER. It actually counters many of Scizor's counters and checks (Gyarados, Heatran, physical Salamence) so it's not like p2 will have the chance to "cripple" them seeing as they'll switch out. Your team isn't revolved around a Scizor sweep and it's honestly not even close to that so thinking a sweep is going to be magically open late-game is going to be a big mistake, bucko.

The "I guess my strategy is..." gives it away - you're lying to yourself. You don't have a strategy. It would probably be more productive coming up with a strategy and making necessary replacements than trying to come up with the "strategy" you have now when it clearly doesn't exist. That will save us all time and your team losses.

 

[mtr12]

Props on the interesting Kingdra set...I use a DD+Sub Kingdra, but I'm thinking of using Dragonite instead.

Try Swords Dance/Bullet Punch/Quick Attack/Roost on Life Orb Scizor (I stole this from someone and have been using it to great effect). The more defense EV's the better. Come in on a physical attack and shrug it off w/ your great defense. SD as the opponent switches to their Plotape or whatever. And Quick Attack will land a OHKO on the Infernape after an SD. I've swept teams before w/ this and they never say it coming.

Of course, watch out for Mixmence and it's buddies that pack Fire Blast/Heat Wave/Overheat. But the idea is to SD while they switch in and blast them. Immunity to Toxic helps, but Will-o-Wisp can screw this up.