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A very new team that possibly fails [OU RMT]

Syaoran said:
Scarf Heatran with SR is a good idea, but I'm not that keen about using SR on choiced pokes. Then again, SR is too good to give up on.
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I don't think I'm running a Scarf, but thanks anyway. I do want SR.

Noir Lancer said:
You are Weavile, Infernape, Mamoswine and Scizor weak, you should have used Gyarados over Ninjask/ Togekiss if you so desperately wanted a flying type on board, it also makes a fairly good lead since you lack that as well. Dark+Azelf's spread, though standard, is far better. Use it instead.
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I'm running Gyarados now; I didn't think of it when building. I wasn't desperate for a Flying-type, those three all just came up. And I guess I can use DA's EV spread, but I figured there's a reason everyone hates Bulkydos.

- Shadow Sneak > Night Slash on Gallade to kill off weakened Ghosts and Psychics, Night Slash really isnt needed when Lax takes care of all them very well. Ice Punch < Psycho Cut, Psychic gets terrible coverage, Close Combat is enough in terms of STAB. With Ice Punch Gliscor no longer walls you and hits Salamence switch-ins far harder.
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I CAN'T GET ICE PUNCH! How many times do I have to say it? But I can invest in Shadow Sneak; that sounds like a good idea.

As for Gallade's item, it can use Life Orb well to some extent, seeing as it does get minimal Life Orb recoil with the 56 HP EVs. Choice Band is also pretty good since it can 2HKO Skarmory and negate Intimidate switch-ins Attack drops.Expert Belt is an option if you don't like the LO recoil or being locked into 1 move.
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I think I might go Expert Belt. I'm already running LO on Gengar and I don't need two dying sweepers. Plus I don't like the Choice items in general; I tend to have problems using them. But thanks for the tip.

- 236 HP/ 216 Def/ 56 Spe on Tangrowth
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... I nixed Tangrowth a while ago. But thanks.

Archer said:
Just run 252 HP/4 Def/252 SDef, unless there's a specific hit it's meant to take.
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That could work. I put a little in to Atk so he could pack a punch, but I guess he doesn't really need it. Most Lax sets I see have some invested in Def though, so it might not be a bad idea to try that.
 
You really should edit your original post, to show what changes you have made to the team and to see it's current status... =/
 
I mentioned Scarf because I personally believe it's the only viable Heatran in the current metagame, otherwise it gets outsped by too many things. SubSalac Heatran is another option but it doesn't have room for SR in its moves. If you test your team and see that this Heatran isn't working, try Scarf with SR/Fire Blast/Earth Power/HP Ice or Explosion.

As for Gallade, he seems quite inferior to Lucario with the SD set. You could try SD/CC/Extremespeed/Bullet Punch. Ghosts won't enjoy Bullet Punch.
 
Okay, I guess I can try ScarfTran, ahtough Spe wasn't my top priority on the set. It's worth a test run at least. Thanks. I'll edit that into the first post.

I don't think I want to switch to Lucario though. I'd rather use Gallade because I like his stats and he makes a good Bulky sweeper, which is what I was going for. I also liked his status capabilities, but I guess that's gone now anyway...
 
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Super Puppy said:
Okay, I guess I can try ScarfTran, ahtough Spe wasn't my top priority on the set. It's worth a test run at least. Thanks. I'll edit that into the first post.

I don't think I want to switch to Lucario though. I'd rather use Gallade because I like his stats and he makes a good Bulky sweeper, which is what I was going for. I also liked his status capabilities, but I guess that's gone now anyway...
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Id probabaly just use Lucario for the resistances. Mainly for coming in on CB Tar on 4x resist on crunches and stone edges, since nothing on this team can currently. Gallade probably gets 2hko'd by CB Stone Edge


EDIT : Gallade takes like 80% from CB Stone Edge lol



Speaking of which, DD Tar is pretty nasty to you.

You might want to scarf Celebi so you can revenge kill it, and other threats.
 
Hm, scarfing Celebi sounds like it could work. I dunno, I've never scarfed a wall before, haha!

I dunno, I'm hesitant about replacing Gallade. I really, really want to keep him, so I'm trying to find another way.
 
Super Puppy said:
Hmm, I could do that, but I already have Gengar and Heatran for sweeping. I was planning on using Celebi as a wall. I guess I could get a new wall...
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You dont need walls on every team to win.


With Celebi holding a scarf you can revenge kill things which quite frankly is much more effective than trying to wall something in such an offensive metagame as platinum/dp.
 
Well, I suppose that makes sense. However in that case, I don't necessarily have to use Celebi. Maybe I could try something with higher Spe and SAtk, or that better covers my weaknesses.

EDIT: I understand I don't really need walls, but I do need something that can take a hit. If I ditch walling Celebi, the only thing that can take any kind of physical hit is Gyarados. Maybe I should at least get another tank, since the metagame is so physical now.
 
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That Heatran is awful, seriously. Scarfed users can utilize SR effectively, but using both SR and WoW on a Scarfer is a bad idea. If you really want to get SR and Will O Wisp off, change that Heatran to this:

Heatran @ Shuca Berry
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 4 Atk/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Earth Power
- Explosion / Will O Wisp
- Fire Blast
- Stealth Rock

This set was made by Brawley (I believe) on Smogon. Basically, set up SR, live unboosted Earthquakes, and then you can either use Explosion to kill Blissey (almost like Baitran), or Will O Wisp to cripple Tyranitars and Swampert that are very common switch ins. Lava Plume is an option over Fire Blast, thus clearing up space for Explosion, but WoW is more reliable, and not burning TTar on the switch in isn't the most ideal situation to be in. This Heatran also can lead, thus you don't have to use the outdated Gallade lead. You could make it bulkier, to live some STAB Earthquakes, but the Speed is useful in most cases.
 
Super Puppy said:
Everyone is turning my defenders into sweepers. -.-

I can run that on Heatran, I suppose. I didn't like the scarf idea much, anyway.
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Like I said, you could make it a lot bulkier, but sacrificing Speed is pretty hard to do. A wise bulky spread to use is 248 HP / 56 SpA / 204 SpD. This is the ResTalk Heatran's EV spread, and while it won't be walling as effectively, it can cause havoc and take more damage than one would think. Or, you could just use an entirely different Heatran:

Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP/16 SpA/240 SpD
Modest nature (+SpA, -Atk)
- Will O Wisp
- Stealth Rock
- Fire Blast / Overheat
- Roar / Earth Power

Basically, it's Burn Support. Not as effective as a lead, but still has its merits.
 
Hm, I rather like that set. I could do that one. Though, I suppose I don't have to use Heatran either.

Well either way, for now, it's better than what I had. I'll edit it into my first post. Thanks!

EDIT: I wonder if I could use Magnezone as a bulky special attacker? He might work better then Celebi...
 
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That Heatran is awful, seriously. Scarfed users can utilize SR effectively, but using both SR and WoW on a Scarfer is a bad idea. If you really want to get SR and Will O Wisp off, change that Heatran to this:

Heatran @ Shuca Berry
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 4 Atk/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Earth Power
- Explosion / Will O Wisp
- Fire Blast
- Stealth Rock

This set was made by Brawley (I believe) on Smogon. Basically, set up SR, live unboosted Earthquakes, and then you can either use Explosion to kill Blissey (almost like Baitran), or Will O Wisp to cripple Tyranitars and Swampert that are very common switch ins. Lava Plume is an option over Fire Blast, thus clearing up space for Explosion, but WoW is more reliable, and not burning TTar on the switch in isn't the most ideal situation to be in. This Heatran also can lead, thus you don't have to use the outdated Gallade lead. You could make it bulkier, to live some STAB Earthquakes, but the Speed is useful in most cases.
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Don't listen to him, this set sucks. Just because Brawly made it doesn't make it good.

I would agree that Scarf Heatran with WoW is pretty lame. SR/Fire Blast/Earth Power/Explosion or HP Ice like I've told you is good enough.

If you wish to use Gallade, then use his status moves. Otherwise he's just an inferior Lucario. Also, Expert Belt looks like a waste. You rather be using Lum Berry in case he gets burned or paralysed.

Scarf Celebi isn't so great, especially when Scizor can come in so easily and Pursuit you. If you want a durable Celebi, try Reflect.
 
Well the whole reason i suggested Scarf Celebi was to revenge DD Tar since some of them still use it and then using Lucario >> Gallade for CB Tar since this team dies to both. Sure there are better revenge killers however celebi was the easiest thing to change without messing with the team too much.

However there is one thing that needs to be established, you need a way to deal with Tyranitar.

You could also scarf that gallade and use that as a revenge killer, but yeah as said you need either a counter or check/ revenge killer to it.


Use Leftovers >> Enigma Berry on Gyarados. Bulky dos is meant to take hits and with enigma berry its leftovers recovers is stolen which makes it much harder to take hits.
 
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Syaoran said:
Don't listen to him, this set sucks. Just because Brawly made it doesn't make it good.

I would agree that Scarf Heatran with WoW is pretty lame. SR/Fire Blast/Earth Power/Explosion or HP Ice like I've told you is good enough.

If you wish to use Gallade, then use his status moves. Otherwise he's just an inferior Lucario. Also, Expert Belt looks like a waste. You rather be using Lum Berry in case he gets burned or paralysed.

Scarf Celebi isn't so great, especially when Scizor can come in so easily and Pursuit you. If you want a durable Celebi, try Reflect.
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How does it suck? It may not be the best lead, but if he wishes for Stealth Rock and Will O Wisp, as well as a lead, Heatran fills the spot nicely. Saying "it sucks" doesn't make your argument valid.
 
I'm not going to Scarf my Celebi. I'll make him less wall-like and pump some more into SAtk, but I think he can pretty much own T-tar with a STAB Grass Knot.

I'll switch Gyarados' item. I just figured the berry would help him with that awful 4x Electric weakness.

I'm going to put T-wave on Gallade to cripple faster enemies or force switches since his speed isn't so great.

I like the Heatran set I edited my post with, so I think I'll stick with that one for now.
 
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How does it suck? It may not be the best lead, but if he wishes for Stealth Rock and Will O Wisp, as well as a lead, Heatran fills the spot nicely. Saying "it sucks" doesn't make your argument valid.
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I was hoping you could see it for yourself as to why it sucks. "barring STAB'd EQ" is just dumb dumb dumb, because almost every user of EQ has STAB on it. It's so much better to outspeed these threats with scarf, rather getting OHKO'd or at least almost OHKO that even a BP Scizor can finish you off. When presenting something like this set, it is necessary to post damage calcs to prove how "useful" it is. Furthermore, EQ is not the only move Heatran has to fear: Close Combat is also very common, which makes scarf even more valuable.
 
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