A very new team that possibly fails [OU RMT]

[Dark Azelf]

I'm not going to Scarf my Celebi. I'll make him less wall-like and pump some more into SAtk, but I think he can pretty much own T-tar with a STAB Grass Knot.

I'll switch Gyarados' item. I just figured the berry would help him with that awful 4x Electric weakness.

I'm going to put T-wave on Gallade to cripple faster enemies or force switches since his speed isn't so great.

I like the Heatran set I edited my post with, so I think I'll stick with that one for now.

You are missing the point, nothing on your team can switch into CB Tyranitar, hence the Lucario >> Gallade thing to come in its STAB moves.

Scarf Celebi is for DD tar who outpaces Lucario after a Dragon Dance and to act as your revenge killer to other threats namely things who cant counter currently and serves as an insurance policy. However a better scarfer, as said, may be in order.

Also Grass Knot doesnt do that much to tar due to its good base sp.def and the sandstorm boost.

 

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I was hoping you could see it for yourself as to why it sucks. "barring STAB'd EQ" is just dumb dumb dumb, because almost every user of EQ has STAB on it.

False statement.

It's so much better to outspeed these threats with scarf, rather getting OHKO'd or at least almost OHKO that even a BP Scizor can finish you off.

Uh, if you burn something such as a Tyranitar or Salamence as they switch in, you won't be "left with enough HP that a BP Scizor can finish you off". Lead Tran's focus is to get SR up and then just launch Will O Wisps off at things like Salamence, Tyranitar, etc...common switch ins. Crippling them makes it easier for the team to handle overall, for sure.

When presenting something like this set, it is necessary to post damage calcs to prove how "useful" it is. Furthermore, EQ is not the only move Heatran has to fear: Close Combat is also very common, which makes scarf even more valuable.

I'm not saying Heatran is going to sponge hits here and there. But the point of a lead Heatran is to get Stealth Rock off. WoW helps with common switch ins such as Tyranitar and Salamence, as once they're burned they struggle to do much if they rely on physical offense. Close Combat is an obvious SWITCH.

I dunno what you're trying to say. Scarftran and Lead Tran are two different Pokemon.

 

[Syaoran]

You slashed WoW with Explosion so it obviously didn't look so important in that set.

False statement.

You're saying I don't provide explanations then you post something like that? How bad at trolling can you get, jeez <__<;

WoW is terribly unreliable with its 75% accuracy on a pokemon with below mediocre speed that gets OHKO'd so easily. Setting SR and shooting out WoW seems like a difficult job for Heatran.

You know what, I'll do the calcs for you!
405 Atk Salamence @ LO vs Timid Heatran EQ - 94.74%~111.46%
You have a 1/3 chance to survive! OOH! and maybe you'll hit it with 75% WoW! niiice!

Your entire argument to why this set is "viable" relies on switching. Of course if my opponent was switching the entire battle I'd eventually win. This is just dumb.

 

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You slashed WoW with Explosion so it obviously didn't look so important in that set.

Umm...You're right. A slash basically means "disregard this move entirely!"

You're saying I don't provide explanations then you post something like that? How bad at trolling can you get, jeez <__<;

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WoW is terribly unreliable with its 75% accuracy on a pokemon with below mediocre speed that gets OHKO'd so easily. Setting SR and shooting out WoW seems like a difficult job for Heatran.

Prediction ?

You know what, I'll do the calcs for you!
405 Atk Salamence @ LO vs Timid Heatran EQ - 94.74%~111.46%
You have a 1/3 chance to survive! OOH! and maybe you'll hit it with 75% WoW! niiice!

Will O Wisp it on the switch. It's not supposed to be staying in to burn it. That's a waste of a Pokemon. Actually read what I post

WoW helps with common switch ins such as Tyranitar and Salamence

Uh, if you burn something such as a Tyranitar or Salamence as they switch in,

Will O Wisp to cripple Tyranitars and Swampert that are very common switch ins.

but WoW is more reliable, and not burning TTar on the switch in isn't the most ideal situation to be in.

Your entire argument to why this set is "viable" relies on switching. Of course if my opponent was switching the entire battle I'd eventually win. This is just dumb.

What are you trying to say? That Tyranitar doesn't switch in on Heatran? If so, that's false. I wouldn't advise it, but Heatran can stay in on DDTar, burn it while it DDs (it will likely have the illusion of a Scarftran due to lack of Leftovers). This is not reccomended of course, so if you're going to quote me on this, I won't even bother responding.

 

[Super Puppy]

I am going to use a Lucario, but I'm not going to replace Gallade. I'm gonna do a mixed sweeper set.

Lucario @ Choice Scarf (???)
Lonely/ Naughty/ Mild/ Rash
EVs: I dunno yet, depends on the nature
~Extremespeed
~Aura Sphere
~Stone Edge
~Dark Pulse

It's tentative, but still. I think my team will now run something like:

Gyarados
Lucario
Gallade
Gengar
Snorlax
Celebi (??? - maybe replace?)

I want to get a second opinion on this before I edit my first post again. I know I'm replacing Heatran which may upset the heated debate up there, but like I said, this is just a thought. It might not happen.

 

[Dark Azelf]

I am going to use a Lucario, but I'm not going to replace Gallade. I'm gonna do a mixed sweeper set.

Lucario @ Choice Scarf (???)
Lonely/ Naughty/ Mild/ Rash
EVs: I dunno yet, depends on the nature
~Extremespeed
~Aura Sphere
~Stone Edge
~Dark Pulse

It's tentative, but still. I think my team will now run something like:

Gyarados
Lucario
Gallade
Gengar
Snorlax
Celebi (??? - maybe replace?)

I want to get a second opinion on this before I edit my first post again. I know I'm replacing Heatran which may upset the heated debate up there, but like I said, this is just a thought. It might not happen.

No need for ES since you have a scarf

If you are gonna run mix scarf luke, use

Lucario@Choice Scarf
40 Atk / 216 SpA / 252 Speed
Naive Nature
- Close Combat
- Dark Pulse
- Stone Edge
- Hidden Power Ice



Since you replaced heatran, you can shove Stealth Rock on Celebi >> earth power.

 

[Super Puppy]

Okay, I'll do that. Thanks.

The only problem is that I don't know if I can get HP Ice for Lucario. Is there anything else I could use?

EDIT: I edited these changes into the first post.

 

[Syaoran]

Umm...You're right. A slash basically means "disregard this move entirely!"




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Prediction ?



Will O Wisp it on the switch. It's not supposed to be staying in to burn it. That's a waste of a Pokemon. Actually read what I post











What are you trying to say? That Tyranitar doesn't switch in on Heatran? If so, that's false. I wouldn't advise it, but Heatran can stay in on DDTar, burn it while it DDs (it will likely have the illusion of a Scarftran due to lack of Leftovers). This is not reccomended of course, so if you're going to quote me on this, I won't even bother responding.

Your entire argument for a good "lead" is based on it having WoW. When you slash it with Explosion, then yeah, you give it less importance. -____-

Your entire argument for a good "lead" is based on it setting up SR and burning incoming switch ins. You can't do both. You can only use 1 move in 1 turn. So when you set up SR, they switch in to Salamence/TTar, and you're pretty much forced to switch again. If you use WoW the first turn, it means you have to stay for another turn if you wanna set up SR as quickly as possible. Again, you run the risk of 1/4 not hitting with WoW and giving them a free switch in. This is why sub is so much better, because it lets you choose your moves accordingly while scouting for "counters".

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As for Scarf Lucario, why not just run an entirely physical one? CC/Crunch/Stone Edge/Ice Punch is just as good, while giving CC more power.

 

[Super Puppy]

I'm not running an all-physical Lucario because I already have enough physical attackers, and I find that a mixed set is more versatile.

 

[Super Puppy]

I know it seems like I'm going in circles, but I may actually bring Tangrowth back over Celebi, but this time as a special attacking tank/ wall.

Tangrowth @ Leftovers
Bold/ Modest
EVs: 228 HP/ 200 Def/ 62 SAtk/ 28 Spe
~Sleep Powder
~Grass Knot
~Leech Seed
~Ancientpower/ Stun Spore

Tangrowth may be better for the job then Celebi, I think. He does have higher base stats for Defence and Special Attack, and is equal in HP. Plus Tangrowth has the ability to status, which is always fun.

 

[Syaoran]

I'm not running an all-physical Lucario because I already have enough physical attackers, and I find that a mixed set is more versatile.

That's a very dumb reason.. I would understand if Lucario had STAB on Dark Pulse or HP Ice, but he doesn't. These will hit just as hard as 252 ATK Crunch/Ice Punch, while giving more power to his STAB move, Close Combat.

Tangrowth may have better stats, but it lacks recover which is very important when you're trying to wall stuff. Recover/Reflect/Grass Knot/HP fire is quite good at handling common threats.

 

[Super Puppy]

I'm thinking of changing Lucario's moveset. I'd like to include Aura Sphere as well. I can't get HP Ice, so I'll need another move anyway. Perhaps even Flash Cannon? It's a longshot though.

Well, Tangrowth does have Leech Seed for HP gain. That plus lefties might add up. Though I know a recovery move is important.

 

[The Hero Without a Name]

Why Flash Cannon? Everything you hit SE with it (Rocks, Ice types) are already hit super effective by Close Combat/Aura Sphere.

 

[Super Puppy]

I dunno. Flash Cannon was a random thought. I do need something better, but I'm still working on the set.

EDIT: I know I keep coming up with random ideas, but what about Honchcrow?

Honchcrow @ Choice Scarf
EVs: 200 SAtk/ 212 Atk/ 96 Spe
Mild
~Dark Pulse
~Dill Peck
~Superpower
~Heat Wave

Heat Wave decimates Steels, Superpower takes Blissey and Heatran, others for STAB and basic coverage.