What gives society or the government the right to decide if a woman is allowed to keep the fetus growing inside of her, or not?
While I find that the act of aborting is quite unkind, it is wholly necessary if it has to be (as this also includes the numerous examples mentioned above by others). Thus more power to the woman who decides to go through with the child birth and give it up to adoption.
What gives anyone the right to do what is wrong? It used to be in America that black people were not legal persons, and that as a slave they were the property of the owner, who had the power to do what ever they wanted to them, including kill. While this fortunately no longer is the case, we can see a direct analogy with abortion, where the child is not legally considered to be a person and is the property of the mother.
Those who opposed slavery were often told, "
We understand you oppose slavery and find it morally offensive. That is your privilege. You don't have to own a slave if you don't want to. But, don't impose your morality on the slave owner. He has the constitutionally protected right to choose to own a slave."
Likewise, us who oppose abortion are often told, "
We understand that you oppose abortion and find it morally offensive. That is your privilege. You don't have to have an abortion if you don't want to. But don't impose your morality on the owner, the mother, for she has the constitutional right to choose to kill, if she wishes."
However, Abraham Lincoln, in his debates with Mr. Douglas responded, "
No one has the right to choose to do what is wrong." And so that is our reasoning for trying to prevent this murder - because no one has the right to do what is wrong.
"Wholly necessary"? I don't see it that way. In fact if you looked at previous posts you would have seen reasons against abortion.
In the case of rape or incest: While unfortunate, why punish the child for the mistakes of the father? How would murdering a child help your own pain? (and it has been shown that it can cause further harm to the mother to abort the child).
Disability: Sure, lets go around killing disabled people because they obviously are unfit to live.
Unable to support the child: 1. Don't engage in risky activities. 2. Put it up for adoption. Murdering it shouldn't be an option.
Mother's life is in danger: Very rare nowadays, but the only case in which it should be allowed. Both lives should be saved if possible however.
If you look at statistics though, most abortions don't occur for the above reasons however, but for the sake of convenience. It is pretty much another form of contraceptive for idiots.
I'm pro abortion, I think everyone should get one (kidding about the everyone should get one.) I think abortion should be an option for everyone. And I don't think religion should really be involved with this.
But the main point is that abortion should be an option for everyone. I've seen some good reasons above on why one should get an abortion such as health issues and rape. But then again there are some opinions above that are vaguely missing a argument for their opinion. Tho I do feel the need to say this but most of the member on this forum are early pre-teen males whom actually have the least say in this both because of lacking the maturity and experience in pretty much everything needed to make this decision. It has been proven that the mind of an adult thinks more logical then the mind of an child. So don't expect much coming out of this discussion. Also there are reasons here that are greatly lacking (Haven't been mentioned), some people haven't posted them because some know it all n00b will probably flame them for mentioning it. But simply not wanting to have a baby is reason enough to have a abortion, if one wants to have a baby later on in life, or simply not have a child then that is a valid reason enough for a abortion. Some people are simply not meant to be parents and aren't smart enough to see that at the beginning thus do not consider adoption, so why not just let them abort? Examples of that could be a drug addict, an alcoholic, an abusive person. So instead of ruining a child's childhood wouldn't it have been better to allow the person to abort and hopefully the child is born somewhere else (I mean who knows what happens after we die, or maybe the soul just moves on to another unborn child) were there is a better family waiting.
So like I say, I think abortion should always be an option.
There are plenty of reasons to not get an abortion without involving religion. If you look at my posts in this thread I haven't once mentioned religion.
Accusing every pro-life supporter of being a pre-teen male isn't a very compelling argument, nor is it very strong.
If you don't want to have a baby, don't risk your chances by having sex, and if you're going to have sex, make sure to take the proper precautions. It's pretty simple really, and most "logical" adults should be able to get a grasp of it. But no, because people are immature and are afraid to take responsibility for their actions, they take the easy way out and kill an innocent child.
You just said not to mention religion, but then you bring up the possibility of a soul, thus stepping into theological and philosophical thought.
