Anime Plot sinking...?

[nicoleb]

Okay, I'm probably not the first person to have noticed this, but... ANIME'S PLOT IS COMPLETELY SCREWED UP!!!

Okay, the first series of Pokemon was very good. It's what got most fans interested. I enjoyed it a lot, and I still enjoy watching it sometimes. There were a few plot-screw-ups, though:

First off, Ash travels with... MISTY AND BROCK?! That is just ridicules. They are Gym Leaders! Whoever decided to make them into primary characters needs professional help, and they need it FAST! Ash should have travelled with Gary (and) a girl. Maybe Giselle from "the school of hard knocks", as it was believed back them that she could have been Blue (Green).

Second, Ash obtains ALL THREE (four if you count Pikachu) starters! He didn't have to get all three! He could have gotten Pikachu as his starter, and maybe caught a Bulbasaur or Charmander later on.

Third, is the complete lack of Team Rocket. While it's true that the TR Trio was added (about the only GOOD thing that was added in the Anime), that there were rare occasions where TR Grunts were running around, and that Giovanni was shown quite a bit as a "mysteries and evil being", there wasn't enough. Ash should have fought with him or a major member of Team Rocket before the first season was over.

Fourth, the fact that Ash got HALF of his badges given to him, and that he lost against his rival, AND in the Pokemon League. Need I say more?

And last in the first season, is the mention of the two "other trainers" from Pallet Town. They are mentioned sometimes by Professor Oak and Gary, but, in the 8 seasons, 19 specials, and 8 movies that Pokemon has released, do we ever see them? No. No hints, no trace, even no mentions later on...

Second season was quite good in my opinion. A little plot-lacking, maybe, but still good. However, the Orange Islands, the four Gym Leaders, the champion... ALL RANDOM!!! Nothing to do with the game whatsoever! ARGH! Not to mention, the "random"characters are beginning to build up. One at least every third episode, I'd say.

The Johto Saga... Ugh... Okay:

First of all (AND THE MOST ANNOYING!), WTF HAPPENED WITH THE GS BALL?! Yeah, Ash got it from Professor Ivy, being told that it was very mysteries, took the trouble of bringing it all the way to Johto to show Kurt... Then what? NOTHING! Nothing else happened! We never find anything else out about the bloody GS Ball! I wouldn't be surprised if they hadn't forgotten about it by now!

Secondly (ANOTHER big issue), is Ash in this season all together. He should not have been the hero in this season! Yoshi, Dani, and Kamon should have! Instead, they just got ONE lousy special to call their own! And Kamon wasn't even in that! Another random character called "Jackson" was! ARGH!

Third, this series had no plot whatsoever! NONE! A regular basis followed out this LONG episodes. Ash, Misty, and Brock meet someone who is having trouble with some Pokemon-based issue, Team Rocket shows up and takes Pikachu and the new random character's Pokemon, they get them back, Team Rocket blasts off, the Pokemon and trainer's problem gets fixed, Ash, Misty, and Brock spend five minutes waving goodbye to their new friend. BORRING!!! What ever happened to the first series?!

Fourth, Ash gets all of the Starters again. He shouldn't even be in this season!

Fifth, the random characters continue to role on in! About 200 now, at least. -_______-

Last, Ash didn't win the Pokemon League again. Surprise, surprise...

Hoenn. Hoenn is good, I admit. It could be a lot better, though.

First off... ASH AGAIN?! I like this guy a lot, but... Don't we need a brake from him for god-sake?! Brendan, May, and Wally should have been the heroes of this series!

Second, is the fact that May came in. I like May and all. But since Pokemon made no attempt to bring in Dani or anyone in the Johto Saga, why start now?! Also, Max. I like him, too. But they could have made him look different! He's a schoolboy male! You can't get much more random than that!

Third, the starters scatter! Ash doesn't get all three this time, he gets ONE! That is stupid! If you're going to go through a ridicules and greedy schedule, you should at least stick to it!

Fourth, the ending part is just stupid. Lance coming in to help again. He is from Johto! It should have been Steven that came in, not him. Besides, the Anime Lance gives a bad name to the Manga one!

Last, I'm not certain, but I don't think Ash wins this Pokemon League either.

Is anyone else annoyed with all the things the Anime does?!

Sorry to sound bashy, but they turned a really good Anime into a... *Stops*

 

[Kurosaki]

I just have one thing to say. There's a plot? XD
Well, this is your opinion on what should or shouldn't of happened I guess, but a lot of people like it the way it is as well.

 

[dqle]

Well, if that's your opinion, that's ok. (although I'm slightly disheartened...) So as long as you don't flame anybody, I'm cool with that.

...

But your arguement is confusing...

First off, Ash travels with... MISTY AND BROCK?! That is just ridicules. They are Gym Leaders! Whoever decided to make them into primary characters needs professional help, and they need it FAST! Ash should have travelled with Gary (and) a girl. Maybe Giselle from "the school of hard knocks", as it was believed back them that she could have been Blue (Green).

If you liked the series so much, then why talk about this? Ash joins up with Misty and Brock practically in the first few episodes. This is the producer's decision because Misty really wasn't skilled enough to be a Gym Leader back then (her sisters were in charge back then, remember?) and Brock longed to become a Pok?mon Breeder. Gary wouldn't have been a very good traveling partner, even if Gary was a very skilled trainer, all becuase of the rivally between those two. Ash can always find something that Gary does insulting to him, so they'd probably argue non-stop on traveling between cities, and personally, I don't think that'll work.

Second, Ash obtains ALL THREE (four if you count Pikachu) starters! He didn't have to get all three! He could have gotten Pikachu as his starter, and maybe caught a Bulbasaur or Charmander later on.

Um, ok. How does this kill the plot? To become a Pok?mon Master/Champion, Ash can't get a better set than the starters, and most definately Pikachu.

Third, is the complete lack of Team Rocket. While it's true that the TR Trio was added (about the only GOOD thing that was added in the Anime), that there were rare occasions where TR Grunts were running around, and that Giovanni was shown quite a bit as a "mysteries and evil being", there wasn't enough. Ash should have fought with him or a major member of Team Rocket before the first season was over.

Ash was just a trainer striving to become one of the best that ever existed. Had he challenged any other Team Rocket member in the first season, I'm sure that Ash didn't stand a chance back then, especially if Giovanni had used Mewtwo. Therefore, the series could end right there. Ash only solves problems that pops in front of him; problems that he knows. Otherwise, Ash is most likely to go on.

Fourth, the fact that Ash got HALF of his badges given to him, and that he lost against his rival, AND in the Pokemon League. Need I say more?

In the first season, he didn't earn two badges from battling 'officially', yet, Ash did battle, and that's enough. Technically, to earn a Gym Badge, you must show extrodinary skills with your Pok?mon. That doesn't mean only battles, ya know!

Not all main characters are meant to be invincible. If Ash were, it'd be a very boring series, indeed. This portrays that Ash is nothing more than an ordinary kid.

Earning eight badges qualifies you to enter the Indigo Plateau League, no matter the battles that resulted just before entering the gates. Losing to Gary shows that Ash needed a lot more work before entering the league, and that's what he did.

And last in the first season, is the mention of the two "other trainers" from Pallet Town. They are mentioned sometimes by Professor Oak and Gary, but, in the 8 seasons, 19 specials, and 8 movies that Pokemon has released, do we ever see them? No. No hints, no trace, even no mentions later on...

Those two were never meant to be major characters. Besides, where's Gary's sister? Or Agatha? Or Wally?

However, it is possible that the two trainers that had the Venasaur and Charizard in the first movie to be those trainers, although there's absolutely no evidence of this. Just a thought.

Second season was quite good in my opinion. A little plot-lacking, maybe, but still good. However, the Orange Islands, the four Gym Leaders, the champion... ALL RANDOM!!! Nothing to do with the game whatsoever! ARGH! Not to mention, the "random"characters are beginning to build up. One at least every third episode, I'd say.

As Elite Trainer Raven would say:
Show =/= Game

From the first episode, you can clearly tell that the show wouldn't be the same as the game word for word. It'd be boring to relive the same adventure on the Game Boy, just animated. Your character probably isn't the same as Ash Ketchum.

And those random characters are just people in the world. Don't you meet random people while walking around places?

First of all (AND THE MOST ANNOYING!), WTF HAPPENED WITH THE GS BALL?! Yeah, Ash got it from Professor Ivy, being told that it was very mysteries, took the trouble of bringing it all the way to Johto to show Kurt... Then what? NOTHING! Nothing else happened! We never find anything else out about the bloody GS Ball! I wouldn't be surprised if they hadn't forgotten about it by now!

One, it could be of no importance. Two, they might bring it back up in the future. Three, the show is supposed to be about a trainer and his adventures, not about some Pok?ball.

Secondly (ANOTHER big issue), is Ash in this season all together. He should not have been the hero in this season! Yoshi, Dani, and Kamon should have! Instead, they just got ONE lousy special to call their own! And Kamon wasn't even in that! Another random character called "Jackson" was! ARGH!

Your opinion. I guess the producers didn't want to lose Ash. Reason: Satoshi, Japanese counter-part of Ash, is basically the creator of Pok?mon, Satoshi Tajiri (spelling please?). I don't think they want to get rid of the creator. Not just that, but Ash has Pikachu, the main Pok?mon of the series. Basically the mascot of the series, they won't get rid of the adorible yellow mouse.

Third, this series had no plot whatsoever! NONE! A regular basis followed out this LONG episodes. Ash, Misty, and Brock meet someone who is having trouble with some Pokemon-based issue, Team Rocket shows up and takes Pikachu and the new random character's Pokemon, they get them back, Team Rocket blasts off, the Pokemon and trainer's problem gets fixed, Ash, Misty, and Brock spend five minutes waving goodbye to their new friend. BORRING!!! What ever happened to the first series?!

There was a plot, and that was Ash's travels. Duh.

And about the people. Again, they're just people in the world. Must I explain it again?

Fourth, Ash gets all of the Starters again. He shouldn't even be in this season!

Same reason as first set of Starters.

Fifth, the random characters continue to role on in! About 200 now, at least. -_______-

Same reason as first random people.

Last, Ash didn't win the Pokemon League again. Surprise, surprise...

Again, how does this kill the plot?

First off... ASH AGAIN?! I like this guy a lot, but... Don't we need a brake from him for god-sake?! Brendan, May, and Wally should have been the heroes of this series!

Again, there's Satoshi, and they probably won't get rid of Satoshi. Or Pikachu. Besides, Brendan and Wally are unheard of in the series so far...

Second, is the fact that May came in. I like May and all. But since Pokemon made no attempt to bring in Dani or anyone in the Johto Saga, why start now?! Also, Max. I like him, too. But they could have made him look different! He's a schoolboy male! You can't get much more random than that!

Because the producers had to remove Misty (for the time being...), they had to bring in another female character so they won't be viewed as a gender-perference show. Thus May was introduced. Like Ash, she began with nearly no knowledge of Pok?mon. Who better to travel with than a trainer who had the same situation before? Max isn't a random character. In fact, he's sorta needed in the group. Max, I believe, is what May isn't. A counterpart. If he wasn't around, May would cause way too much trouble for her own good. For that, I consider May and Max one character.

Third, the starters scatter! Ash doesn't get all three this time, he gets ONE! That is stupid! If you're going to go through a ridicules and greedy schedule, you should at least stick to it!

What's wrong with change? And this is a plot-killer???

Fourth, the ending part is just stupid. Lance coming in to help again. He is from Johto! It should have been Steven that came in, not him. Besides, the Anime Lance gives a bad name to the Manga one!

No comment on the ending. Haven't seen it in America yet. (i got dialup, so don't ask!)
Again, Elite Trainer Raven's saying, but a little modified:
Show =/= Game =/= Manga

Last, I'm not certain, but I don't think Ash wins this Pokemon League either.

Again, a plot-killer??? If Ash were to win any League, it's buh-bye for the series! I'm pretty sure the producers don't want to kill off the show any time soon.

I'm sorry, but I don't see most of your reasons as to why it would be a plot-killer. If you'd like to comment, don't hesitate. Just post something that doesn't break the rules!

 

[Crystal Clair]

they won't be viewed as a gender-perference show

Not that this applies exactly to the anime but if they want to be viewed as a "both sex" anime, why cant they mane ONE female Pokemon league champion. They've had men for THREE FREAKING YEARS. First it was Lance, then Lance again, then Steven. How about a girl for once! They waited until the third generation for there to be four girls and four boys. Until then it was just five male and three female for like TWO leagues. And then dont get me started with the groupes. First it's one girl and two boys then it's one girl and THREE boys.
I hope I got my point through.

 

[Chairman Kaga]

Not that this applies exactly to the anime but if they want to be viewed as a "both sex" anime, why cant they mane ONE female Pokemon league champion. They've had men for THREE FREAKING YEARS.

I seriously doubt that the game designers and animators sat around and suddenly came up with the idea of "Hey, why don't we exclude women from all the major roles in the game and anime?! They shouldn't even be playing games anyway...their place is in the kitchen!"

It's absurd to think that pokemon is a chauvinistic game or series. There's no intention in there being three male champions in a row, I think that the designers just think that men make more dynamic and intimidating champions, if they're even thinking about it at all. It could even be cultural for all we know, but it's still foolish to see it as anything other than coincidence.

First it was Lance, then Lance again, then Steven.

Actually, Gary was the first champion.

They waited until the third generation for there to be four girls and four boys. Until then it was just five male and three female for like TWO leagues.

So you're saying that a 5:3 ratio is stilted enough for you to declare that there's chauvinism at work here? They have to design their gym leaders very carefully to hold interest in the game, and if they decide that a man would fit the role they're looking for, then they'll make it a man; same with a woman. Be glad that the women in the game aren't stereotypical, but instead are intelligent, iron-willed people.

It was a 4:4 ratio for GSC in Japan, as Bugsy was a girl, by the way. They changed Bugsy's gender here, though, simply because Bugsy looked nothing like a girl. It's not chauvinism, let me say before you rant about this. It's a prevention of confusion.

And technically, in RSE there are five girls and four men. Liza and Tate are a duo.

And then dont get me started with the groupes. First it's one girl and two boys then it's one girl and THREE boys.

Face it--the great majority of pokemon fans when it began to air were boys. They had to add a female character to attract women to the franchise. All cartoons do this. You're acting like the men in the show are sexual predators who do nothing but hunger after Misty/May, which is absurd. They're children, for one thing, and they're in a land that believes in equality. And about the addition of an extra male character, Max is just May's other half. Simple as that.

I hope I got my point through.

If your point was "boys have cooties", then you did.

 

[cold_katanagirl]

First off, Ash travels with... MISTY AND BROCK?! That is just ridicules. They are Gym Leaders! Whoever decided to make them into primary characters needs professional help, and they need it FAST! Ash should have travelled with Gary (and) a girl. Maybe Giselle from "the school of hard knocks", as it was believed back them that she could have been Blue (Green).

I can't say I was all that happy about him traveling with Misty either...

But why Gary? Gary was his rival. They'd be fighting ALL the time. And Blue probably collects badges too. You want to see THREE people collecting badges? That's boring.

Second, Ash obtains ALL THREE (four if you count Pikachu) starters! He didn't have to get all three! He could have gotten Pikachu as his starter, and maybe caught a Bulbasaur or Charmander later on.

I thought it was kind of cheap that Ash got all the Kanto starters one after the other too...

But he's trying to become a master, and getting all the starters doesn't kill the plot like you're saying.

Third, is the complete lack of Team Rocket. While it's true that the TR Trio was added (about the only GOOD thing that was added in the Anime), that there were rare occasions where TR Grunts were running around, and that Giovanni was shown quite a bit as a "mysteries and evil being", there wasn't enough. Ash should have fought with him or a major member of Team Rocket before the first season was over.

Team Rocket was good... For the first couple episodes. The writers could have made it a bit darker, but remember it's just a kids show. Ash had to go on anyway.

Fourth, the fact that Ash got HALF of his badges given to him, and that he lost against his rival, AND in the Pokemon League. Need I say more?

When did Ash lose against Gary? He came in a higher place than he did...

I wasn't fond of how he received his badges either. But it doesn't kill the plot. You have to have variety every once in awhile.

I have a feeling you're going to have a couple people coming in saying he earned everyone of his badges. Just wanted to say that.

And last in the first season, is the mention of the two "other trainers" from Pallet Town. They are mentioned sometimes by Professor Oak and Gary, but, in the 8 seasons, 19 specials, and 8 movies that Pokemon has released, do we ever see them? No. No hints, no trace, even no mentions later on...

Probably because they weren't needed. :0

Second season was quite good in my opinion. A little plot-lacking, maybe, but still good. However, the Orange Islands, the four Gym Leaders, the champion... ALL RANDOM!!! Nothing to do with the game whatsoever! ARGH! Not to mention, the "random"characters are beginning to build up. One at least every third episode, I'd say.

Man, the writers sure are evil. Trying to make something ORIGINAL up, and waiting for the next generation games to come out.

First of all (AND THE MOST ANNOYING!), WTF HAPPENED WITH THE GS BALL?! Yeah, Ash got it from Professor Ivy, being told that it was very mysteries, took the trouble of bringing it all the way to Johto to show Kurt... Then what? NOTHING! Nothing else happened! We never find anything else out about the bloody GS Ball! I wouldn't be surprised if they hadn't forgotten about it by now!

I was wondering what happened to the GS ball too. Probably a plot hole, most anime have em.

Secondly (ANOTHER big issue), is Ash in this season all together. He should not have been the hero in this season! Yoshi, Dani, and Kamon should have! Instead, they just got ONE lousy special to call their own! And Kamon wasn't even in that! Another random character called "Jackson" was! ARGH!

I didn't mind Ash being the hero again. It's not that big of a deal.

Third, this series had no plot whatsoever! NONE! A regular basis followed out this LONG episodes. Ash, Misty, and Brock meet someone who is having trouble with some Pokemon-based issue, Team Rocket shows up and takes Pikachu and the new random character's Pokemon, they get them back, Team Rocket blasts off, the Pokemon and trainer's problem gets fixed, Ash, Misty, and Brock spend five minutes waving goodbye to their new friend. BORRING!!! What ever happened to the first series?!

The plot was repetitive, but a plot was there.

Fourth, Ash gets all of the Starters again. He shouldn't even be in this season!

Look up to the first reason.

Fifth, the random characters continue to role on in! About 200 now, at least. -_______-

Yes, that was boring. But it was made up in the Hoenn region, so get over it.

Last, Ash didn't win the Pokemon League again. Surprise, surprise...

Obviously. But it doesn't kill the plot.

First off... ASH AGAIN?! I like this guy a lot, but... Don't we need a brake from him for god-sake?! Brendan, May, and Wally should have been the heroes of this series!

I kind of agree with you there, I wanted them to ditch Ash and bring in a new cast. But Ash is the hero, and that's that.

Second, is the fact that May came in. I like May and all. But since Pokemon made no attempt to bring in Dani or anyone in the Johto Saga, why start now?!

What the hell do you want? They try doing something you want, then you don't want them to.

Also, Max. I like him, too. But they could have made him look different! He's a schoolboy male! You can't get much more random than that!

What do his looks have to do with anything?

Third, the starters scatter! Ash doesn't get all three this time, he gets ONE! That is stupid! If you're going to go through a ridicules and greedy schedule, you should at least stick to it!

Again, WHAT THE HELL DO YOU WANT? They're trying something different for once!

Fourth, the ending part is just stupid. Lance coming in to help again. He is from Johto! It should have been Steven that came in, not him. Besides, the Anime Lance gives a bad name to the Manga one!

You mean the Groudon/Kyogre thing, not the ending. And I always thought Lance was from Kanto but nevermind.

Yes, the Kyogre/Groudon thing could have been longer, but what can you do? Besides, Steven had his own episode.

I don't know jack about other manga, but Lance was twisted in the one I reading. I forgot if he changed during the Johto part.

Last, I'm not certain, but I don't think Ash wins this Pokemon League either.

There's no way Satoshi is going to win. I was expecting him to get further, but oh well.

Actually, Gary was the first champion

In the games, yeah. But Games =/= Anime.

 

[Elite Trainer Raven]

Actually, Gary was the first champion.

FALSE. Green was. Not Shigeru. Green =/= Shigeru. Red =/= Satoshi. HOW MANY TIMES MUST I SAY THESE THINGS? ><

It was a 4:4 ratio for GSC in Japan, as Bugsy was a girl, by the way. They changed Bugsy's gender here, though, simply because Bugsy looked nothing like a girl. It's not chauvinism, let me say before you rant about this. It's a prevention of confusion.

Where the hell'd you get that idea? Bugsy was ALWAYS a dude. They even joked about him looking like a girl in Pok?mon Specials by having Gold flirt with him until finding out he's a boy.

And technically, in RSE there are five girls and four men. Liza and Tate are a duo.

Fuu (Tate) is a BOY and always has been.

Now on to the main discussion..

First off, Ash travels with... MISTY AND BROCK?! That is just ridicules. They are Gym Leaders! Whoever decided to make them into primary characters needs professional help, and they need it FAST! Ash should have travelled with Gary (and) a girl. Maybe Giselle from "the school of hard knocks", as it was believed back them that she could have been Blue (Green).

From the looks of things, Takeshi was forced to take on the role of Gym Leader due to his parents leaving. The guy wanted to leave and see the world and become a Breeder. He couldn't do that by sitting around in his Gym all the time. Kasumi wasn't the Gym Leader of Hanada City until the end of Jouto. She was partly responsible for it but her sisters were the ones who mainly ran the Gym, so Kasumi didn't have a problem. Satoshi traveling with Shigeru..problems with that. I think Satoshi would've rather shot himself in the foot and Shigeru would've never allowed Satoshi to hang around him, especially considering how arrogant he was. Makes no sense to have rivals travel together. Seiyo seemed more like a standard Girl-of-the-Day and wasn't really interesting except for the fact that she was good looking.

Second, Ash obtains ALL THREE (four if you count Pikachu) starters! He didn't have to get all three! He could have gotten Pikachu as his starter, and maybe caught a Bulbasaur or Charmander later on.

Well he caught all three. Something alot of people wanted to do back in the days of RGBY. And they ended up proving very useful in the end.

Third, is the complete lack of Team Rocket. While it's true that the TR Trio was added (about the only GOOD thing that was added in the Anime), that there were rare occasions where TR Grunts were running around, and that Giovanni was shown quite a bit as a "mysteries and evil being", there wasn't enough. Ash should have fought with him or a major member of Team Rocket before the first season was over.

This one's fifty/fifty for me. They did fight a handful of major Rocket Gang members, but on the other hand, we never did get much of a look at the Rocket Gang like we do in the games.

Fourth, the fact that Ash got HALF of his badges given to him, and that he lost against his rival, AND in the Pokemon League. Need I say more?

Had he won against Shigeru, do you think he would have kept striving to be better? And you'll wanna blame the fact that he wasn't exactly a great trainer by the time he went up against Hiroshi, especially when using a disobediant Lizardon (even though he had no choice, he could have swapped it earlier).

Second season was quite good in my opinion. A little plot-lacking, maybe, but still good. However, the Orange Islands, the four Gym Leaders, the champion... ALL RANDOM!!! Nothing to do with the game whatsoever! ARGH! Not to mention, the "random"characters are beginning to build up. One at least every third episode, I'd say.

Gold and Silver was still an awful long time away from being released. The animators tend to release the new region episodes when a new batch of games comes out. Orange Islands was a sidestory from the games and gave the game designers enough time to finish up Gold/Silver while prepping the animators up for Jouto.

First of all (AND THE MOST ANNOYING!), WTF HAPPENED WITH THE GS BALL?! Yeah, Ash got it from Professor Ivy, being told that it was very mysteries, took the trouble of bringing it all the way to Johto to show Kurt... Then what? NOTHING! Nothing else happened! We never find anything else out about the bloody GS Ball! I wouldn't be surprised if they hadn't forgotten about it by now!

GS Ball proved to be a grand mystery. Satoshi didn't even mind going to Jouto, in fact. It was his perfect excuse to go there to begin with. You'll note the amount of times Ookido-Hakase has to remind Satoshi to drop it off due to all the training and battling he's done there. The GS Ball was simply to get Satoshi to Jouto. Nothing more.

First off... ASH AGAIN?! I like this guy a lot, but... Don't we need a brake from him for god-sake?! Brendan, May, and Wally should have been the heroes of this series!

Game =/= Anime. If you wanna see adventures involving the game character, you're gonna have to pick up Pok?mon Specials. The anime is about SATOSHI. He's the main character of the anime. Pocket Monsters and Pocket Monsters Advanced Generation are two series' in total and tell about Satoshi's journeys. They can't just abrubtly end it.

Second, is the fact that May came in. I like May and all. But since Pokemon made no attempt to bring in Dani or anyone in the Johto Saga, why start now?! Also, Max. I like him, too. But they could have made him look different! He's a schoolboy male! You can't get much more random than that!

So they could have someone do the Contests? It'd be boring as hell to just go through Gyms again. Advanced Generation started off fresh and wanted to avoid being anything like the Jouto arc again.

Third, the starters scatter! Ash doesn't get all three this time, he gets ONE! That is stupid! If you're going to go through a ridicules and greedy schedule, you should at least stick to it!

Oh for Christ's sake. Make up YOUR mind. First you complain he gets all three, now you complain he doesn't. AG was a fresh start. Everyone started off fresh (even the Rocket Gang). It was better for Satoshi to have Pok?mon that weren't starters in his team aside from one of them. I simply couldn't imagine Satoshi with an Achamo or Mizugurou. This was a change to keep the show from being so predictable.

Fourth, the ending part is just stupid. Lance coming in to help again. He is from Johto! It should have been Steven that came in, not him. Besides, the Anime Lance gives a bad name to the Manga one!

I hardly can see how Daigo would've helped against the Groudon vs Kyogre problem. His Pok?mon in the games are more landbased, and assuming his team's like that in the anime, it'd be rather difficult to help in any way. Wataru has a Kairyuu and Gyarados, two Pok?mon that can manuver well enough in the sky and sea. Plus both can use Hyper Beam when needed.

Last, I'm not certain, but I don't think Ash wins this Pokemon League either.

I'm not liking that he's gonna end up losing to Tetsuya, but personally, I feel it's better he loses to him rather than Masamune like alot of people thought would happen. >_>; At least Satoshi's heading on to the Battle Frontier, an incredibly stronger place. Hopefully there he'll make some progress.

 

[Chairman Kaga]

FALSE. Green was. Not Shigeru. Green =/= Shigeru. Red =/= Satoshi. HOW MANY TIMES MUST I SAY THESE THINGS? ><

I say Gary so people will know who I'm talking about =/ Of course it's Green.

Where the hell'd you get that idea? Bugsy was ALWAYS a dude. They even joked about him looking like a girl in Pok?mon Specials by having Gold flirt with him until finding out he's a boy.

Then someone told me something wrong. NOT ALL OF US HAVE ACCESS TO THE MANGA! How many times do I have to say that? You're acting like everyone should know this when it's obscure information.

Fuu (Tate) is a BOY and always has been.

He certainly looks like a girl, then. His sprite is wearing something that looks oddly like a dress.

You have the worst temper when it comes to this sort of thing. Lighten up, and stop acting like everyone who doesn't know as much as you is stupid =/

 

[Elite Trainer Raven]

Being someone who's constantly having to repeat himself on two forums and pointing things out that are available to look up on the net, it's no wonder I get annoy. ;\

And for your information, I don't have access to the manga. Doesn't mean I didn't look up info on it, however.

 

[cold_katanagirl]

I say Gary so people will know who I'm talking about =/ Of course it's Green.

Just say Green... And remember to tell people Green is a boy, but America kind of... flipped it around and said Blue was a boy and Green doesn't really exist in America. Yeah. o.0

Then someone told me something wrong. NOT ALL OF US HAVE ACCESS TO THE MANGA! How many times do I have to say that? You're acting like everyone should know this when it's obscure information.

Try reading the serebii guides. That's how I caught up on some of it. ^^

He certainly looks like a girl, then. His sprite is wearing something that looks oddly like a dress.

It took me a year to learn that Tate was a boy...

And this is completely off topic, but I keep thinking Jakotsu is a GIRL! I know he's a guy but... The voice... And the clothes... And calling Miroku sexy... o.0

 

[Hikarii]

Pok?mon's funny 'cause it gets so random. X3 If you really think the plot's sinking, (Like it ever had one.. ^^; ) then that's why you stick to the manga. Although I'm surprised you remembered Giselle, seeing as she was one of the first random characters. She couldn't really leave, anyway. She's attending that school so she could get into the league without ever collecting the badges. xx;

.. Yeah.. I don't really have much to say.. Raven seemed to point out everything with much more sense.. xx;

 

[nicoleb]

When did Ash lose against Gary? He came in a higher place than he did...

He lost to him in the Johto series, sorry about that.

I wasn't fond of how he received his badges either. But it doesn't kill the plot. You have to have variety every once in awhile.

I have a feeling you're going to have a couple people coming in saying he earned everyone of his badges. Just wanted to say that.

They'd be wrong, then.

What the hell do you want? They try doing something you want, then you don't want them to.

Like I said; stick to what you were doing. Don't change it.

Again, WHAT THE HELL DO YOU WANT? They're trying something different for once!

Yeah, well I didn't get it.

You mean the Groudon/Kyogre thing, not the ending. And I always thought Lance was from Kanto but nevermind.

Yes, the Kyogre/Groudon thing could have been longer, but what can you do? Besides, Steven had his own episode.

I don't know jack about other manga, but Lance was twisted in the one I reading. I forgot if he changed during the Johto part.

The Anime doesn't follow the Manga. And Lance isn't "twisted" in Pokemon Adventures. He's just mis-understood. But the conversation isn't about him.

 

[Snivi]

He lost to him in the Johto series, sorry about that.

Actually it was the one of the last episodes of the Orange Islands
He beat Gary at the Johto League.

 

[oni flygon]

Nicoleb, it's glad that you're finally realizing this because I was thinking about the anime going down the drain in say... 3 years ago...

(Pokespecial fans do have a certain bias towards the anime... =3)

 

[Elite Trainer Raven]

Like I said; stick to what you were doing. Don't change it.

Oh for the love of..if they didn't, then it'd become more predictable and less variety would be applied plus more people would bitch and whine about him getting all three starters again. They did it for the sake of making things different. Is it so wrong to make things LESS predictable and kicked up a bit in variety? It's a complete refreshing change seeing him not have all three starters in his team. He's better off with Kootasu and Heigani rather than Achamo and Mizugurou. Not to mention, I'd rather not hear more complaing from people about him not having different Pok?mon in his team that aren't starters. It's not like it's a continuation error where he has one and then has something out of no where and then goes back (like the dub tends to do with statements ALOT).

 

[oni flygon]

Oh for the love of..if they didn't, then it'd become more predictable and less variety would be applied plus more people would bitch and whine about him getting all three starters again. They did it for the sake of making things different. Is it so wrong to make things LESS predictable and kicked up a bit in variety? It's a complete refreshing change seeing him not have all three starters in his team. He's better off with Kootasu and Heigani rather than Achamo and Mizugurou. Not to mention, I'd rather not hear more complaing from people about him not having different Pok?mon in his team that aren't starters. It's not like it's a continuation error where he has one and then has something out of no where and then goes back (like the dub tends to do with statements ALOT).

That part of trying to make it unpredictable is very subtle but not enough to convince most of us... =D

edit: of course, it's no use trying to convince Pokespecial fans some certain aspects of the anime that were changed. We'll always have a bias towards it and we won't really become fans of the anime unless ... Pokespecial itself becomes the anime... XD

 

[nicoleb]

That part of trying to make it unpredictable is very subtle but not enough to convince most of us... =D

edit: of course, it's no use trying to convince Pokespecial fans some certain aspects of the anime that were changed. We'll always have a bias towards it and we won't really become fans of the anime unless ... Pokespecial itself becomes the anime... XD

If only they would. The Manga is far better than the Anime ever was.

 

[oni flygon]

If only they would. The Manga is far better than the Anime ever was.

And the sad thing is that the people in the Pokemon Company would rather discontinue the manga's publication here in the US than the anime's airing ... XD

 

[Elite Trainer Raven]

That was VIZ'S choice, not Nintendo's. The manga wasn't selling AT ALL despite being very easily obtainable. Not to mention, the anime's proven to be a HIGH RATED morning show. Have you seen the ratings the more recent movie received? The manga barely got people to buy it, despite the fan base.

And in case you weren't aware, the manga's more closely tied to the games than the anime is. You can't compare two things that are completely different. That bias is pure ignorance right there.

 

[Geometric-sama]

The Anime never actually had a plot, it's cutesy stuff which I love XD