Suggestion: Anti-Ninja feature

[Melody]

I was posting around in OT, and I got to thinking, What if we added some sort of check when you click the "Post Reply" button that sees if someone else has posted since you loaded the page? (This check can be done for the QR box too, by checking for new posts since the page completed loading.)

When it detects someone who has posted, it should ask to take you back to the advanced post reply editor or even load the thread with the inline editor.

That way...you don't get ninja'd and it cuts down on the clutter and people being unnecessarily delayed because they needed to edit/delete their post because they got ninja'd. I know such a feature would be helpful here in CQ&F and maybe cut down on posts answering the same question 5 or 6 times.

 

[Oryx]

That doesn't seem too hard to implement, I've seen it on plenty of forums before. They just reroute you back and say "Someone new has replied to the thread, would you like to edit your post" or something similar.

 

[Ho-Oh]

You...can do this by clicking preview and scrolling down. I don't really see this as a big issue.

 

[Saryka]

Me either. I may joke around about being "ninja'd" and whatnot, but editing my post if something like that happens to me isn't a big deal at all imo.

 

[Melody]

Honestly, I'd rather not click preview or "Go Advanced" because it defeats the point of the quick reply box. I'd rather be notified if someone else posted before I submitted my own post.

This isn't an idea because I'm sore about being ninja'd, just something I seriously think should be implemented, and have SEEN implemented on places all over the 'net. It's not that difficult and it's not even resource heavy since this can be done purely via JS, and it's so simple that even I could probably write the code myself if given the resources to do so. x3

To be honest I find being ninja'd as amusing as ever, but it does get a tad annoying if you're having a crummy day. :/
Do not belittle that, you know how immature some people can be.

 

[jigglyppuff8]

I've seen this feature before.

Somebody has posted a reply while you were replying. Please review your post and make changes accordingly.

Kay.

Somebody has posted a reply while you were replying. Please review your post and make changes accordingly.

...

Somebody has posted a reply while you were replying. Please review your post and make changes accordingly. X 8

OH COME ON.


Considering that OT is to whom you are directing this feature (and a very select part of it to say the least), most of the changes aren't that important (off by 1 number, big deal). If your post is no longer relevant, there's a perfectly good delete post button right there.

The feature is kind of nice when the preview is immediately generated like I've seen in other forums, but considering that this forum has to load another page to preview a post every time, seeing a dialog telling you that someone else has posted every time you hit submit reply or preview post gets kind of tedious. Like Forever said, it's not too vital of a feature and more of an annoyance for a forum with this level of activity.

 

[Melody]

Ok, It's not vital, but seriously it's something we're going to need at some point in time anyway, and it doesn't have to be the same dumb implementation that only pops up with a dialog saying that and does nothing else, it should be one that either pops up and asks you what to do or automatically redirects you to the advanced editor when that happens.

Additionally, that site might have been broken for it to do that to you that much. Don't demonize this idea because one site couldn't implement it properly. There can be limits placed on how often that it triggers for the same post, and even an option to disable it for you if you don't want it to do that.

 

[Ho-Oh]

it should be one that either pops up and asks you what to do or automatically redirects you to the advanced editor when that happens.[/SIZE]

Either way, that'll be annoying. Incase you didn't realise, people like to post when it actually says "post / submit reply". And for those with slower Internet, it's even more annoying, and hey, consider the mobile users who get a popup for redirects anyway - now that's three popups. God how considerate of a feature it'll be. :(

Oh and Other Trivia has been going fine for however many years it has been running without a need for a feature like this. Same goes for the rest of PC.

 

[champagnepapi]

Ok, It's not vital, but seriously it's something we're going to need at some point in time anyway, and it doesn't have to be the same dumb implementation that only pops up with a dialog saying that and does nothing else, it should be one that either pops up and asks you what to do or automatically redirects you to the advanced editor when that happens.[/COOR]

I highly doubt that an "anti-ninja" system is something PC truly "needs" to function properly. If I'm ""ninja'd" then I simply delete my post or add new content to it, not hard stuff. Alternatively, to avoid getting "ninja'd", you could be more concise, instead of typing a full paragraph in pink font.

 

[Melody]

Either way, that'll be annoying. Incase you didn't realise, people like to post when it actually says "post / submit reply". And for those with slower Internet, it's even more annoying, and hey, consider the mobile users who get a popup for redirects anyway - now that's three popups. God how considerate of a feature it'll be. :(

Oh and Other Trivia has been going fine for however many years it has been running without a need for a feature like this. Same goes for the rest of PC.

Well, OT was simply an example. Why so negative when in the grand scheme of things the solution can occasionally be as annoying as the original problem? Since when did anyone here on staff honestly care about your mobile experience anyway? :/ They sure appear not to care about it now. I come from places with slow internet anyway, so to be honest I don't mind that the page reloads to allow me to make an edit anyways. The post doesn't have to be held back, it can go ahead and submit the post first AND THEN redirect you to the EDIT POST page which you can navigate away from if you don't like it. Also the redirect popups for mobile should be able to be disabled, and if you can't then consider getting a better phone or carrier. XD

Yay emblem. I <3 your sense of humor. :P

I highly doubt that an "anti-ninja" system is something PC truly "needs" to function properly. If I'm ""ninja'd" then I simply delete my post or add new content to it, not hard stuff. Alternatively, to avoid getting "ninja'd", you could be more concise, instead of typing a full paragraph in pink font.

I never said it was necessary as of now. And get over it, if you don't like it, there's a nice little checkbox in the options that will "Protect your eyes" from such things. :p

 

[Shirona]

Lest you forget, this is a discussion forum. I don't give two craps about OT, but if someone posted this very moment and this very post became "invalid", I would become very annoyed.

My point.

 

[Saryka]

I just think that in busier threads like those in OT, it would be really annoying to continue seeing a notification that someone's already posted every time you post. For me, it would just be a whole lot easier simply editing my post if need be.

 

[JX Valentine]

Not to be biting or anything, but if you're taking long enough to get ninja'd in the first place, then that sort of inherently defeats the purpose of the quick reply box anyway, y'know what I mean?

Other than that, I agree with jigglyppuff8. Something like that could get pretty old pretty quickly. Edit: And then, to have it redirect you to an edit feature right after you posted sounds like it'd end up being rather unnecessary because you'd be able to see whether or not you'd be ninja'd anyway, right? And with quick edit, you can pretty much just hit the edit button yourself, you know?

Couple of other notes.

Since when did anyone here on staff honestly care about your mobile experience anyway?

Since they implemented a mobile skin and probably sometime before then, too?

And get over it, if you don't like it, there's a nice little checkbox in the options that will "Protect your eyes" from such things. :p

...Isn't it well-known that it doesn't actually work yet? :/

 

[Oryx]

The post doesn't have to be held back, it can go ahead and submit the post first AND THEN redirect you to the EDIT POST page which you can navigate away from if you don't like it.

I like this idea. Since people insist that if they're ninja'd they just edit their post and it's not a big deal, this just removes one step for them and makes it easier. I've already run into the ninja'ing problem, not with OT but in discussions. If multiple people are part of a discussion and I'm replying to someone, thinking out what I'm trying to say, and someone else posts that I want to reply to, it takes a while for me to reply in situations like that. I don't like writing short, one-line replies that don't really say what I want them to, so I'm fast enough to be able to answer without having another post to reply to. Once I'm done editing, I don't know if the person I'm replying to has already read my post or not before the edit, and if they have, they might scroll past it and not even reply to what I'm saying because they didn't see it. The setup that they have on other forums is great, but if people are so against it, the quoted idea is great too.

I'm not really sure why people are getting so sarcastic and snippy about a suggestion, honestly. Instead of saying "this idea sucks", how about some constructive criticism? Every "this can't happen because _____" has been met with Pachy rehashing the idea to make it useful for everyone, why are people being so negative?

 

[Melody]

This is why I said the implementation of this feature needs to be:

1. Submit the post
2. Check to see if the post's thread ID is the same one you expected it to be. Was it 3 when it was expected to be 2nd in the thread? If so then...
3. Redirect to the edit post page. Do not repeat the last step for post editing. Set a cookie or something mmkay?

JX Valentine: It doesn't defeat the purpose of anything if you're slow at typing, or take the time to actually proofread your posts. :/
I just say that currently popular implementation of this feature can be fixed easily.

 

[JX Valentine]

This is why I said the implementation of this feature needs to be:

1. Submit the post
2. Check to see if the post's thread ID is the same one you expected it to be. Was it 3 when it was expected to be 2nd in the thread? If so then...
3. Redirect to the edit post page. Do not repeat the last step for post editing. Set a cookie or something mmkay?

Putting my edit here, but then the notification would be rather redundant. If the post goes through, then you'll just be taken to the thread page, and because you can both see that someone ninja'd you right there and perform a quick edit (i.e., not be directed to a full page for edits), you can get the job done without being notified or having a plug-in send you to a page you don't really need to go to. In fact, leaving it as-is allows you to view the post that ninja'd you and edit according to what was said in it; an edit page doesn't have a thread preview, meaning you wouldn't know what was said while you were writing your post unless you loaded the thread in a separate window or tab, if that makes sense.

Edit: But your argument against just using the Post Reply button as opposed to the Quick Reply box was because you wanted to make quick posts. If you're not going to make a quick post (because you're proofing what you're saying and whatnot), then why won't just using the Post Reply button to preview the thread work? :/ (Keep in mind that you can always copy your post and refresh the page before hitting the submit button to ensure that you're not being ninja'd.)

I'm just saying it really sounds like you're making the whole thing a little more complicated than it has to be.

 

[Melody]

Not really.

It's a matter of latency sometimes, especially when two posts occur within the same minute. In that case you can't help being ninja'd. The QR box is pointless if you can't just submit the post directly from it, and then scroll up and edit the post inline if you find it to be unsatisfactory for whatever reason.

You do have a point about redirecting to a full edit page, but this can be worked around by auto loading the inline post editor if you've been ninja'd.

 

[donavannj]

This is why I said the implementation of this feature needs to be:

1. Submit the post
2. Check to see if the post's thread ID is the same one you expected it to be. Was it 3 when it was expected to be 2nd in the thread? If so then...
3. Redirect to the edit post page. Do not repeat the last step for post editing. Set a cookie or something mmkay?

JX Valentine: It doesn't defeat the purpose of anything if you're slow at typing, or take the time to actually proofread your posts. :/
I just say that currently popular implementation of this feature can be fixed easily.

I just remembered that the standard edit post page does not show any part of the thread, so there's a bit of a major flaw there if you cannot see what the last post was.

 

[Oryx]

I just remembered that the standard edit post page does not show any part of the thread, so there's a bit of a major flaw there if you cannot see what the last post was.

...You were ninja'd with Pachy's edit to the idea that makes that post invalid. :P

 

[parallelzero]

ANOTHER suggestion in relation to the fact that people don't want to be bothered to click once or twice more? Surprise. Not to say most of you are lazy - I know the greater majority of you aren't, but I'm personally a little bit tired of all of the suggestions for changes that will save you a minimal amount of grief. If PC was running at full speed and it was completely safe to tamper with the options, it might be worth a LOOK. However, PC's up-time has been iffy at best lately, so it's honestly not worth any potential risks.

That said, I don't really support the idea either. Is it really necessary? Reasons why not have already been explained, so I don't really want to echo them.