are these usable?

evilcheese

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    Turtwig lvl10 - #387 (Adamant)
    HP: 20 - 23
    Att: 14 - 19
    Def: 31
    SpA: 30 - 31
    SpD: 13 - 19
    Speed: 8 - 15

    or

    Turtwig - lvl9 #387 (Brave)
    HP: 30 - 31
    Att: 9 - 19
    Def: 28 - 31
    SpA: 31
    SpD: 13 - 23
    Speed: 0 - 15

    Pineco - lvl10 #204 (Impish)
    HP: 30 - 31
    Att: 4 - 9
    Def: 31
    SpA: 20 - 29
    SpD: 0 - 9
    Speed: 30 - 31

    or

    Pineco - lvl12 #204 (Relaxed)
    HP: 17 - 24
    Att: 12 - 19
    Def: 31
    SpA: 30 - 31
    SpD: 5 - 13
    Speed: 29 - 31

    i am planning on using these for their movsets

    fortress @leftovers
    relaxed /impish
    sturdy
    252 HP /196 Def /60 Atk
    -earthquake
    -zap cannon
    -spikes
    -rapid spin
    ---------------------------

    Torterra @ Leftovers
    Trait: Overgrow
    EVs: 252 HP / 128 Atk / 128 Def
    Adamant / Brave Nature
    - Roar
    - Stealth Rock
    - Earthquake
    - Wood Hammer / Stone Edge


    might need a second opinion on the evs
     
    evilcheese said:
    Turtwig lvl10 - #387 (Adamant)
    HP: 20 - 23
    Att: 14 - 19
    Def: 31
    SpA: 30 - 31
    SpD: 13 - 19
    Speed: 8 - 15

    This needs alot more attack and sp.def aswell as maybe a little more hp.

    or

    Turtwig - lvl9 #387 (Brave)
    HP: 30 - 31
    Att: 9 - 19
    Def: 28 - 31
    SpA: 31
    SpD: 13 - 23
    Speed: 0 - 15

    Again needs more Attack and sp.def

    Pineco - lvl10 #204 (Impish)
    HP: 30 - 31
    Att: 4 - 9
    Def: 31
    SpA: 20 - 29
    SpD: 0 - 9
    Speed: 30 - 31

    Yep you guessed it, more Attack and sp.def


    or

    Pineco - lvl12 #204 (Relaxed)
    HP: 17 - 24
    Att: 12 - 19
    Def: 31
    SpA: 30 - 31
    SpD: 5 - 13
    Speed: 29 - 31

    More HP, Attack and sp.def

    fortress @leftovers
    relaxed /impish
    sturdy
    252 HP /196 Def /60 Atk
    -earthquake
    -zap cannon
    -spikes
    -rapid spin

    Fine

    Torterra @ Leftovers
    Trait: Overgrow
    EVs:252 HP / 176 DEF / 82 att
    Adamant / Brave Nature
    - Roar
    - Stealth Rock
    - Earthquake
    - Wood Hammer / Stone Edge /leech Seed / Synthisis

    128 128 252 EV spreads generally fail.Ask Sims, he knows more about Torterra than i do



    might need a second opinion on the evs
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    Chnges are in boldness. Yeah ask sims about torterra, it might require more defense.
     
    Splitting Forry's EVs isn't the greatest idea in the world. You'll want max HP, 196 Def, and the rest in Atk. However, for each IV you don't have in Def, take 4 EVs from Atk and put them in Def.
     
    anti pop that is my set. >.<. and my relaxed forr has max defense.
     
    evilcheese said:
    anti pop that is my set. >.<. and my relaxed forr has max defense.
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    I could have sworn it said something different...like, seriously, I thought it said 252 HP / 128 Atk / 128 Def

    Dang, I need to get more skleep >.>

    EDIT: *sleep*
     
    lol, rofl, that was toreteraa.
     
    razor leaf is a big no. hes my only phazer plus wood hammer is better
     
    snikerz35 said:
    how about leaf blade then.
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    Learn to give good advice. You're only hurting the thread starter.

    But it doesn't look like any of those pokemon are usable, except maybe the Pineco if it has the max (24) IVs for HP, otherwise it would be...no.
     
    i have another pineco

    Pineco - #204 (Impish)
    HP: 27 - 31
    Att: 2 - 6
    Def: 31
    SpA: 25 - 29
    SpD: 0 - 3
    Speed: 28 - 31

    i know its attack is lol
     
    evilcheese said:
    i have another pineco

    Pineco - #204 (Impish)
    HP: 27 - 31
    Att: 2 - 6
    Def: 31
    SpA: 25 - 29
    SpD: 0 - 3
    Speed: 28 - 31

    i know its attack is lol
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    No it needs to NOT have speed for its Gyro ball and it needs at least some Spdef otherwise it will get murdered faster by special attacks.
     
    ultranerd57 said:
    No it needs to NOT have speed for its Gyro ball and it needs at least some Spdef otherwise it will get murdered faster by special attacks.
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    Not even SDef is the problem but high speed + low Atk is a BAD combination for a gyro user.
     
    He's not using Gyro, he's using Zap Cannon.
     
    snikerz35 said:
    i would get rid of torterra's roar and teach it razor leaf.:D
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    *Buzzer goes off* Wrong answer!

    how about leaf blade then.
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    Check Serebii for the list of moves Torterra can learn. Even then, Wood Hammer owns Leaf Blade in every way.
     
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