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Awesome Chairman Kaga Fanclub

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I'm not either. I've joined mUnity but I'm staying in my mod position at PC...I wish we could become S-Mods, you and I, Paige...we could be so much help...
 
Well, I'm still here. :classic: I 'd miss you again if you left again. I'm on the good side of PC. :classic:

[PokeCommunity.com] Awesome Chairman Kaga Fanclub


Awww....Misty looks so cute in that pic!^_^
 
I'm sorry to have your fanclub turn into a discussion thread about the happenings at PC, but I too would like to know what's happened. I'm glad you're planning on staying here. You're one of the most interesting posters around and you're my favorite moderator. Regardless of how bad things might be (well, probably, I don't know the degree to which things have fallen apart) there is always hope for salvaging at least some of it.
 
Chairman Kaga said:
I don't know why I'm so depressed...it's just that PC as I know it is coming to an end. This is as bad as the rise of .....'s regime...I left once...do I have the bravery to do it again? Would it even matter?

The thread was undeleted...thanks to whoever did that ._.;
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"What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun."

"As for men <we know who> tests them so that they may see that they are like the animals."

~Quote from THE Book

Of course, the cool thing is is that exactly 375 days ago, another rather heated debate about anohter matter which is best to be left behind; remembered but never mentioned.


Hence, that, is why, peonship is far superior than moderators. Without the responsibility, you can see but can pretend not to hear. Why bother, when either way the result will be the same, and people within the Animal Farm will definitely betray anything for the sake of promotions?

JOIN ME, CK! You know you want to! O_O
Come to fanfic lounge instead =D


*warning: this post is not intended for an older youth audience. World Literature's discretion is adviced*
 
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Chairman Kaga said:
It's simply time for a new PC, Kylie. Go to DCC, there's chaos...but a good chaos.
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Not a good chaos... but a better chaos... and I don't care about the location of the new PC, as long as I don't lose contact with my friends.
 
Everyone's so depressed, cursing at steve, and saying PC's coming to an end and yet i STILL have no clue what's going on......

And don't leave, CK! you're my best friend here!(and the only way my club can stay alive, but that's irrelevant now....)

Can someone(Besides CK; It'd just make him more likely to leave) PLEASE explain to me what's going on, in either PM or post? please?
 
Well, Steve demodded Yukito for a post in his LiveJournal [Kaga, you should join us and get an LJ :3] about the new admin and Steve, which shouldn't count as off-PC stuff isn't to be used in PC jurisdiction, as the policy goes, and the staff got mad because Steve did what he always does - does what he wants without giving a darn what the rest of us think. He's signed a contract, apparently, that he won't do this, so can you see how we all got mad...? Jorge moved the thread briefly into the public so the members could see what kind of head admin we have... and yeah.
 
frostweaver said:
"What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun."

"As for men <we know who> tests them so that they may see that they are like the animals."

~Quote from THE Book

Of course, the cool thing is is that exactly 375 days ago, another rather heated debate about anohter matter which is best to be left behind; remembered but never mentioned.


Hence, that, is why, peonship is far superior than moderators. Without the responsibility, you can see but can pretend not to hear. Why bother, when either way the result will be the same, and people within the Animal Farm will definitely betray anything for the sake of promotions?

JOIN ME, CK! You know you want to! O_O
Come to fanfic lounge instead =D


*warning: this post is not intended for an older youth audience. World Literature's discretion is adviced*
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You know once you become staff things do change, right? People can say we're the same as normal members, but we aren't. We're expected to be different and take the blame for a lot of things. But it's still always better to try out things and not have to sit there and wonder "What if..." because you'll end up with regret for a long time.
 
Mihara said:
You know once you become staff things do change, right? People can say we're the same as normal members, but we aren't. We're expected to be different and take the blame for a lot of things. But it's still always better to try out things and not have to sit there and wonder "What if..." because you'll end up with regret for a long time.
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Have things changed that much in 4 and a half months? I don't remember it like that at all. o_O
 
Mihara said:
But it's still always better to try out things and not have to sit there and wonder "What if..." because you'll end up with regret for a long time.
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No confidence there when those brave souls who try to change the world always end up causing the problems themselves 95% of the time in regards to anything major. Unless they are given a common enemy, these people will hardly solve the social problems and instead make twice as many of them, as if we don't have enough...

Technical difficulties? Mods can handle that really well and really fast though.

Everything sounds good on paper, and of course the mod lounge along with the headquarter operate on an unwritten constituition to serve the community. Then again, the Communist Manifesto sounded pretty good on paper too, and what happened to the countries that tried to carry it out again?


Either way, a warm welcome to those who do try to change everything for the better and not fall corrupted in the process. Whoever that maybe, however, is not up to me and probably not anyone else here to judge.
 
frostweaver said:
No confidence there when those brave souls who try to change the world always end up causing the problems themselves 95% of the time in regards to anything major. Unless they are given a common enemy, these people will hardly solve the social problems and instead make twice as many of them, as if we don't have enough...

Technical difficulties? Mods can handle that really well and really fast though.

Everything sounds good on paper, and of course the mod lounge along with the headquarter operate on an unwritten constituition to serve the community. Then again, the Communist Manifesto sounded pretty good on paper too, and what happened to the countries that tried to carry it out again?
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You have no idea what's going on. Things have changed since you were a mod, a LOT of things have changed. Are you actually saying that trying isn't worth it? I'm sorry, you can believe that all you want but it's stupid to me. As long as a person has a will and a reason to keep doing what they do, good will come. It may not be in the form that everyone expects it to be, but it will come.

And this isn't on paper, this is all in action. This is all happening, planning is over, it's been long over. Whatever is happening now is because of us finally taking action over something we think is wrong. It's better to try than to let a chance pass you by though. How can you say that more bad can come of this? For who? We've worked long and hard and we're ready to do what we must for what we believe in. It may sound more dramatic than it actually is, but we give our time to this place and we're willing to defend it.

Blah...you go on thinking that people will be happy by leading a blind life. Of course it's not like they'd have anything to lose if they never tried to gain anything. No one would have anything like that, we'd all be drones. But it's better to grasp the chance of something big than let it pass you by. If we fail, then it's a lesson learned for later on in life. But not one to have such jadded views on things. We'll learn the mistakes from today and make sure when next time a problem like this comes that we'll be strong.
 
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Mihara said:
You have no idea what's going on. Things have changed since you were a mod, a LOT of things have changed. Are you actually saying that trying isn't worth it? I'm sorry, you can believe that all you want but it's stupid to me. As long as a person has a will and a reason to keep doing what they do, good will come. It may not be in the form that everyone expects it to be, but it will come.

And this isn't on paper, this is all in action. This is all happening, planning is over, it's been long over. Whatever is happening now is because of us finally taking action over something we think is wrong. It's better to try than to let a chance pass you by though. How can you say that more bad can come of this? For who? We've worked long and hard and we're ready to do what we must for what we believe in. It may sound more dramatic than it actually is, but we give our time to this place and we're willing to defend it.

Blah...you go on thinking that people will be happy by leading a blind life. Of course it's not like they'd have anything to lose if they never tried to gain anything. No one would have anything like that, we'd all be drones. But it's better to grasp the chance of something big than let it pass you by. If we fail, then it's a lesson learned for later on in life. But not one to have such jadded views on things. We'll learn the mistakes from today and make sure when next time a problem like this comes that we'll be strong.
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Do I need to be a part of PC to see a glimpse of human history repeating itself?

Many specifics did change. PC went through some intensive reforms after planning. Rules are changed as time goes by, and the system of PC change compare to what PC is like one year ago, and whatever PC is like the year before, and so on.

But what good does any change do in systems and planning, when that is not even the root of the problem to begin with? So many bodies of organization, ranging from nations to a small forum like us, try to look for what is the most suitable form of leadership. All of them seems very ideal at paper, but that is never the truth in action. Why do systems have these advantages and disadvantages when it is put in action? That is not to say that the systems are at fault, as they are completely perfect if they are ever carried out exactly how the inventor has visioned it to be.

It is because the problem lies in the mindset of all the people, from the general public to the ruling body. The General Will directs the organization, and the Social Contract gives the ruling body the power to rule. People give up parts of what they have to the ruling body in search of security and order. For example, people form this very club for CK as a place to be together. Friends of CK gather together because there is warmth in a place of unity among people they know, and security is created.

Since the ruling body is given "something" (whatever this feeling is, even Rousseau seems to be rather confused about it, seeing how vague it is in description), they are now higher than the general people. With the extra power, they may ignore the General Will by breaking the Social Contract, which is often the case within a ruling body sooner or later. Something tempts the ruling body to do whatever they want instead of what the General Will wants it to be. This is what PC is suffering as well in this problem. Parts of the ruling body did not comply to the General Will. Security is lost, and havoc breaks out.

The first problem should be obvious that this philosophy may work for a public matter, but not for a private one like what PC is facing today. In the public world, one is born with the same rights and power as everyone else should deserve. No one should lose what is he or she is permitted to do, as long as it is not against morals and values. Therefore, if a governing power isn't complying to the General Will, people may choose to revolt in order to take back what is rightfully theirs.

Now in PC, it is not the same. The moment one choose to become a member, one have willingly submitted yourself to be lower than whoever started PC. Private sectors can do anything as long as they obey the national and international laws set by the public sectors. Never is the laws or rules of PC promise a responsible ruling body, and because of this, they are at no fault to begin with.

If PC did promise to be responsible for the good of the majority, then tell me and I'll protest with you. Otherwise, I don't see the reason in trying to fight for rights that you choose to lose in the very beginning of your life in PC. Of course, I have done that in the past regarding the PC Advertisement "scandal", but now that I have rearranged and organized my mind, I am not going to repeat the same actions again. If the first persuasion failed, then in all forms of respect of Constituitions, people actually do not have the right to revolt because the owner/s of PC suffered financial loss in order to have the right to absolute power within its own seperate little private universe.

Does it honestly help if we are setting a new mindset in others that we must fight to the extreme for the slightest valleity? Try to compromise first if the problem (such as this one) is small. If no compromise can be made, then learn and try to adapt to it. Like the infamous comparison says, we will be stealing money from a bank as an adult if we are tolerated to steal chocolate bars as children. So, sit back and simply relax for awhile, and really don't try to resort to revolts until the situation is serious enough for the need of it. If we are making such a huge mess over a small problem like this as teenagers and youths, how are we to direct the next generation when we become adults? We can't be so obstinate sometimes, and have to press an issue to become a smaller one. The problem first started by the coming of the new admin, and a chain of bigger problems follow because of some disagreement about this small move. Really, this entire thing is easily a lot less messier than it is right now, and it's this way because people fuss over a matter way more than it should be. Steve does have the right to admin anyone he wants to begin with along with Kwesi, and it's not like the new admin did something dramatically bad already. Why complain about the new admin to this extent when nothing went wrong?

One sets an example to each other. What the former mod lounge do sets an example to the mod lounge that is to come, and all these huge outbreaks of "arguements" always seem to carry on to the next generation of staffs and members. I don't think anyone of us likes the situation now, and will prefer to settle it than to go on and on about this. Really, making a big fuss like this will just trigger the next event to be like this all over again. Decide what is truly important, and act according to how important this PC matter really is...

All of this instant protests the minute something goes wrong will not help us at all in the long run. Imagine that all of us are to be off to work. Are we going to protest like this again if our boss decides on an "unfair promotion?" Some mods are demodded because of their protest here, but that is fine in the general view because being demodded is no heavy loss except for a little bit of wasted efforts. Yet when we start to take a habit of applying this way of life to real life where choices are not reversable, the consequences will be much more severe. Train ourselves now, while everything is minimal in damage, to be more patient and willing to compromise.

Honestly, there are much bigger problems in life that deserve your attention. For starters, don't go outside for lunch so often, and for 37 canadian dollars a month donated to WorldVision, a child somewhere has enough money to be spared from salvation, be provided education along with the excavation of a well for the entire village that child lives in. When you look at these situations which deserve our true attention because it is actually a severe problem, and you look back at ourselves in PC...

All of us are a bunch of stuck up brats without the faintest idea what the outside world truly looks like...

Always welcome to disagree with me and call this little statement complete trash, but that is just what I think. Over-reaction in people's minds is probably one of the worst problems within PC.
 
Kylie-chan said:
Well, Steve demodded Yukito for a post in his LiveJournal [Kaga, you should join us and get an LJ :3] about the new admin and Steve, which shouldn't count as off-PC stuff isn't to be used in PC jurisdiction, as the policy goes, and the staff got mad because Steve did what he always does - does what he wants without giving a darn what the rest of us think. He's signed a contract, apparently, that he won't do this, so can you see how we all got mad...? Jorge moved the thread briefly into the public so the members could see what kind of head admin we have... and yeah.
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so someone got promoted to a mod, Yukito said something bad about him/her in her LJ, and Steve demodded her for it? Okay, now just a few more questions:

1.While that was wrong of Steve, seeing as how that wasn't in PC, Why is everyone making such a big deal over it? People have been unfairly banned before, and Yukito's still here, isn't she? Sure, She Shouldn't have been demodded, but she's still here, right?

2. If I'm not mistaken, Steve is from PPN's webmaster, right? Well, PPN isn't PC, so why does he have all this power?

3. While I still think people are overreacting, If enough people decide to, couldn't we all ban/demod/whatever him? Would that solve the problem and make everyone less gloomy?
 
Frosty, I'll answer your essays letter...I have a bit to say, even though it probably will be irrelevant. I have to prove that I'm not stupid <_<;

Dylan:

1.) Yukito wasn't banned, just demodded for saying something off of PC that he had a perfect right to. There's a long litany of offenses that Steve has committed that mostly only the uppers know about, but we believe that they're grievous enough to label it as tyranny. "Unfair bannings" tend to be a myth created by the banned person's friends, by the way.

2.) All the webmasters of PC's sister sites are given adminship.

3.) Admins only have the power to demod/ban themselves, so no one else can do anything to him, not even the other admins. Yes, it would solve the problem, but it's impossible. I'm sure if it was possible it would have happened months ago...
 
well, then simply remove PPN from the Sister Sites, which seems the only way to de-adminize him against his will, and then get another admin/mod to ban him. problem solved.

Is admin the highest? If not, whoever made PC is probably the highest rank, so he could ban/de-adminize him if all else fails...

Besides, we don't have to be all in pieces about it. Being all sad does no more for the cause than anything else....you have to take action to change a problem..... I mean, look at MLK. Segregation would still be around today had he not done something about it. Did he go "well, I'm not the president; I can't change anything. Sure Segregation sucks, but what can I do?"? NO! He worked for his goal, and succeded.
 
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Steve isn't at any of the other sister sites other than his own...this is the one forum that he controls. Like I said, there's no way to ban him. Admin is the highest, but they can't even ban each other...not even Kwesi, PC's creator. It's natural to mourn for PC, it's dying after all. MLK fell to powers beyond his control despite all his good...he did all that and was assassinated, just like we all will be soon...
 
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