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Ársa

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    Metagross@Life Orb
    Adamant
    152 HP, 252 Atk, 104 Spd

    Explosion
    Thunderpunch
    Meteor Mash
    Earthquake

    I've been experimenting, and this is a great lead. Clear Body says shove it to Gyarados and Salamence leads.
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    Porygon-Z@Choice Specs
    Modest
    252 Sp. Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP
    Adaptability

    Tri-Attack
    Ice Beam
    Thunderbolt
    Dark Pulse

    After everything is Paralyzed, in comes P-Z to kill everything. Modest Specs is kickass.
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    Blissey@Leftovers
    Calm
    252 Def, 216 Sp. Def, 40 HP
    Natural Cure

    Wish
    Protect
    Aromatherapy / Flamethrower
    Toxic
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    Spiritomb@Leftovers
    Careful
    252 HP, 140 Sp. At, 28 Sp. Def, 88 Def

    Calm Mind
    Pain Split
    Shadow Ball
    Hidden Power [FIGHT]

    Calm Mind Spiritomb. I like it really. Don't know how it will fair, but it gives me an excuse to bring out my HP FIGHT 70 tomb that I bred. :D
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    Donphan@Leftovers
    Impish
    252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Atk

    Rapid Spin
    Earthquake
    Ice Shard
    Stealth Rock

    Physical Wall, Rapid Spinner, Stealth Rocker and Ninjask stopper. No longer need 36 Atk for Garchomp. :Dt
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    Salamence@Life Orb
    Mild
    120 Atk, 252 Sp. Atk, 136 Spd

    Brick Break
    Draco Meteor
    Fire Blast
    Dragon Claw/Crunch

    Mix-Mence. Couples extremely well with Jirachi, and with Rapid Spin and Wish support, Mix-Mence is a scary prospect.
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    Your team is absolutely trampled by special attackers. Snorlax walls nothing with its curse set (it's good for tanking, but as your only special wall it will not work).

    You have no fighting resist besides Salamence, which I'm sorry but with no defensive EVs and a Life Orb and a SR weak, it will not work. Not to mention that almost all fighters have either Ice Punch of stone Edge to smash Salamence.

    Also Modest Specs might be awesome, but with Timid it's impossible to be awesome :P

    I actually think physical Jir is fine for this team, it fits in way better than it did with that other one (though I still believe CM Jir is better).

    I would scrap Salamence for a good fighting resistance and I would either change Snorlax's set and EVs, or get rid of it. I'm surprised this team hasn't been Azelf swept, since it will 6-0 this team.

    BTW, that Metagross would be a lot better with Life Orb or even a Choice Band. Bullet Punch isn't any good without it being boosted. Come on, when Metagross is leading, Weavile should be running away, and some Gengar will too...and if not you the opponent doesn't deserve to win.

    I like the offensive structure of this team with Metagross and Porygon-Z (though I'm no MixMence fan), but defensively you are really pushing it. You rely on Mence too much for resisting attacks and basically for many defensive purpose, but its EVs and moveset obviously don't reflect that. Snorlax also has to be changed, at least the EVs do. Curselax as a special wall I really don't recommend...in fact I advise against it.
     
    Metagross = Magnezone Bait. At least thats what that Metagross's evs are. 152 HP / 252 HP / 104 Speed. NOAW !! Or its gonna magnet rise on your ass before you can eq and that means you loose a Metagross for nothing.

    Im for some reason thinking Nasty Plot would be of more benefit on P-Z HP Fighting/Dark pulse/TriAttack/ Nasty Plot = win, it will allow you to sweep once Mixmence (Who is a beast) has put dents into everything =)
     
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    Metagross@Leftovers/Shed Shell
    Adamant
    252 HP, 232 Atk, 12 Def, 8 Spd

    Bullet Punch
    Thunderpunch
    Meteor Mash
    Earthquake

    I've been experimenting, and this is a great lead. Clear Body says shove it to Gyarados and Salamence leads. Bullet Punch hits Weavile and Gengar.

    Looks like a powerhouse; be VERY WARY of Magnezone, but if you want to keep power, then Shed Shell wouldn't be much of a bad idea to escape it.
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    Porygon-Z@Choice Specs
    Timid
    252 Sp. Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP
    Adaptability

    Tri-Attack
    Ice Beam
    Thunderbolt
    Dark Pulse

    After everything is Paralyzed, in comes P-Z to kill everything. Modest Specs is kickass. Thinking of switching with SpecsGar, to provide more Fighting resistence.

    Ouch...LOTSA PAIN! Looks fine. However, why'd you say "Modest Specs", when it's Timid?
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    Snorlax@Leftovers
    Careful
    168 HP, 120 Def, 220 Sp. Def
    Thick Fat

    Curse
    Earthquake/Crunch
    Body Slam/Crunch
    Rest

    Yeah, Curselax because I'm sick of using Blissey.

    I need a Snorlax because I'm a lil tired of Blissey myself. This thing caused me to lose a match because I couldn't kill it in a 3v1 situation. Consider Crunch somewhere so you can hit Gengar/Mismagius (The CM one in particular).
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    Jirachi@Leftovers
    Impish
    252 HP, 76 Def, 176 Sp. Def

    Wish
    Reflect
    Body Slam
    Zen-Headbutt

    I love this, and no matter what Anti says, it's staying physical.

    That's a new one with being all physical. Parahax + Flinch hax = me going to start hating you so much. lol
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    Donphan@Leftovers
    Impish
    252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Atk

    Rapid Spin
    Earthquake
    Ice Shard
    Stealth Rock

    Physical Wall, Rapid Spinner, Stealth Rocker and Ninjask stopper. No longer need 36 Atk for Garchomp. :D

    Thank you no needed attack for Garchomp! Standard Phan is standard I suppose.
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    Salamence@Life Orb
    Mild
    120 Atk, 252 Sp. Atk, 136 Spd

    Brick Break
    Draco Meteor
    Fire Blast
    Dragon Claw/Crunch

    Mix-Mence. Couples extremely well with Jirachi, and with Rapid Spin and Wish support, Mix-Mence is a scarf prospect.

    This is going to also work in relation to all the paralysis going around the board. That speed won't be needed too much. Also, with Jirachi wishing, Roost doesn't need to be an option. Good choice; this one is next on my wanting list as well.
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    It has worked extremely well for me on Shoddy, with around 40-2 my result.

    Regards,

    ~T_S

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    This team looks rather solid, and to go 40-2? Dang... Kudos to you on that. To be honest, I can't name one thing off my mind that can easily crumble this team apart. However, I'm not a quick thinker when it comes to naming a thousand threats.
     
    Porygon-Z is a pokemon that could use Nasty Plot very, very well, especially with Download. P-Z is not that fragile, and with a +Speed nature you would be outspeeding a lot of pokemon. It won't be hard to get a Nasty Plot in.

    Nasty Plot / Tri Attack / Ice Beam / HP fight is a good movepool.

    Curse Snorlax isn't that useful anymore in this generation, where there are a lot more hard hitters. A restalk Snorlax can take Hypnosis easily, which is something your team lacks [dealing with status].

    You're also very Infernape weak, I'd suggest a Starmie over Donphan, if you wanna keep a rapid spinner on your team.
     
    Well, i've taken into account the comments. Snorlax is going to be replaced with Blissey. :( I need to be able to halt Azelf somehow, and if it explodes, problem solved. :P I'm going to beef up that Mix-Mence a bit, so I'm off to do some damage calcs.

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    To comment on the idea of replacing Porygon-Z with SpecsGar for a fighting resistance, I say no. A VERY fragile Choice Apecs user who is OHKOed by half the metagame and massacred by Weavile should not be relied upon for defensive purposes. It simply will not work.

    The real problem with walling with resistances is that speed passes to terrifying sweepers like Machamp will absolutely decimate your fighting resist. This is the one regard where I actually think speed is extremely important, as versatile sweepers will laugh at these resistances.

    It might be a step up from Pory Z on the defensive side (though not by much), but Pory sweeps better IMO and probably helps your team more.

    Also, the Metagross set is much improved.
     
    Honestly I'm no fan of Metagross and Jir on the same team. Their identical defensive typing can be a real pain. You might need Jirachi for Wish support, but Blissey can run that. I think standard Blissey is better than Wishing sets, but if Bliss ran that, you would pretty much be able to replace Jirachi to further patch up this team defensively while maintaining its sweeping power. Just some stuff to consider.
     
    Woah, Suicune with a Lum Berry isn't helping it. Leftovers...you'll need them.

    Still, IMO Suicune isn't the pokemon you need. You need a REAL fighting resist. I would really go with something that is very reliable, like Spiritomb (AMAZING with Blissey) or Dusknoir. There are also pokemon like Weezing and Gliscor, but that could turn into wall overload (though with Tomb or Noir you could end up with the same fate).

    That's the real Achilles heal of this team IMO.
     
    Ouch, mixed Infernape..... id Consider Roost in that last slot on Mence to help with that somewhat.


    As of now, id REALLY be careful of CM/Sub/Shadow ball/HP Fighting Mismagius, it uses Blissey as fodder, Suicune could possibly take it, but wont like it after a while and repeated hits, especially since your considering HP Electric >>Rest, so yeah Tomb would be nice and will also provide a fighting resist.


    EDIT : immunity i mean, fighting immunity._., god i suck lol
     
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