Brock on the Show

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    This a question that has bothered me ever since the start of DP. Why is Brock still on the show?

    He did nothing in Johto and almost nothing in Hoenn. He's doing more in Sinnoh but he's still bland.

    So what do you people think? Should he stay (again) or go to the next region?
     
    well i don't know, pokemon woudn't be the same withought brock, he just gives a certain feeling to the show,
    so yes i think he should stay
     
    ~element said:
    well i don't know, pokemon woudn't be the same withought brock, he just gives a certain feeling to the show,
    so yes i think he should stay
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    But Brock should be spared from such treatment.

    Misty left the show when no one thought it would happen but it was for the better. She got a great appearance in Hoenn and wasn't bad in Chronicles. Shouldn't this happen for Brock, instead of killing him more?
     
    I guess it's because we need some sort of an positive adult role model in the main cast. The actual recurring adults (TR) are... evil-lite, and the good adults isn't always around. Someone has to counter Ash and Dawn's... youthful character traits.

    I think that's why he's around, but who knows?
     
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    Charaxes said:
    I guess it's because we need some sort of an positive adult role model
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    This, plus he's the only one who can cook. :P

    Yes, Brock has gotten stale in my opinion. Should he leave? Yes. Will he? Probably not. I'd love to see another breeder getting some spotlight in the future to see their 'breeding' style. It's something that has interested me for a long time now.
     
    They could always replace Brock with an older, more expirienced trainer that has his/her own sillyness. Seeing Brock as only an adult pervert isn't really parental.
     
    Melodyfree said:
    This, plus he's the only one who can cook. :P

    Yes, Brock has gotten stale in my opinion. Should he leave? Yes. Will he? Probably not. I'd love to see another breeder getting some spotlight in the future to see their 'breeding' style. It's something that has interested me for a long time now.
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    That's always a plus. Heh.

    Well, he's definitely popular, as we had seen with his omission in the OI and the backlash. So, Nintendo acknowledges his anime version, though, the smarter fanbase is ready to move on, since the anime won't do anything with him. Until he stops becoming popular, like they were to Tracey/Kenji, I think we're stuck with him.

    Edit: DarkLugia mentioned the "pervert" aspect. I wouldn't say he is, but his chasing after every skirt isn't setting a good example. Then again, the series admonishes him for it at every turn, so I don't know what to add further, there.
     
    Charaxes said:
    Well, he's definitely popular, as we had seen with his omission in the OI and the backlash. So, Nintendo acknowledges his anime version, though, the smarter fanbase is ready to move on, since the anime won't do anything with him.
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    Well, the first viewers of the show were still young, so change was very suprising. But the writers seem to be better at writers seem to be able to replace characters. I remember Dawn being 57th on a character popularity poll/list.
     
    Charaxes said:
    That's always a plus. Heh.

    Well, he's definitely popular, as we had seen with his omission in the OI and the backlash. So, Nintendo acknowledges his anime version, though, the smarter fanbase is ready to move on, since the anime won't do anything with him. Until he stops becoming popular, like they were to Tracey/Kenji, I think we're stuck with him.

    Edit: DarkLugia mentioned the "pervert" aspect. I wouldn't say he is, but his chasing after every skirt isn't setting a good example. Then again, the series admonishes him for it at every turn, so I don't know what to add further, there.
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    Err... technically, Misty CAN cook (I mean, they had to have had SOMETHING while staying at Viridian forest, plus, Brock wasn't with them in the Orange Islands [Tracey was instead], and yet they still seemed to do well without brock {and it was hinted that Misty might have been the one who did the cooking, since she was the one who cooked up the Salveyo medicene, as well as the fact that an official Pokemon anime card had her cooking some sort of stew.}.), as well as May and Dawn. I mean, we DEFINITELY know Ash doesn't have good cooking skills.

    Also, I'm pretty sure that the backlashing would actually prove that he's becoming UNPOPULAR instead of his being popular (If I recall correctly, Max was labeled as the most unpopular character in Pokemon, and he was backlashed a LOT). I mean, don't popular people, err... you know, get almost all praise and virtually no backlash?

    And another thing, admonishes it? Other than his being pulled by the ear (or in the case of Croagunk [and in earlier cases, Misty], being severely injured].), how exactly does he get Admonished for it? I mean, I really wouldn't count his being pulled away or being beaten as "admonishment", since several shows seem to promote it even MORE by doing it. I mean, take "Jerry Springer", for example: most of the people in that show beat each other, speaks a very uncontrolled string of.... err, "colorful" vocabulary, and at some points even goes as far as to do inappropriate things. The Host, Jerry Springer himself, often tries to quell the fighting, himself, but he in effect actually promotes it. Heck, it's partly thanks to him and some viewers that some toddlers learn their first bad words. See what I mean?
     
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    He and Ash are best friends and hes kind of a dad that Ash never had.
     
    Beware of Dark Lugia said:
    ^I think Charaxes meant that they were upset that the event occured and they got yelled at for that reason.
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    ok, I assume you're referring to my "Unpopularity" comment. I thank you for trying to correct me. However, even IF it was because of the backlash in the OI, his popularity is steadily decreasing (especially considering how they seem to have Remove Brock threads, similar to this topic.), which means he might need to be replaced soon. Besides, why is it that, despite the backlash of her being removed being as bad as, or even worse than, Brock's removal, they didn't attempt to bring her back (I'm leaving y'all to guess the identity of this character.)?
     
    ^I'm going to guess Misty is the one you're refering to. Brock still has somewhat of a quest that is shown in some episodes. Misty, on the otherhand, had no definite quest besides being a water pokémon master. Meaning without something water related around, she would go nowhere. Brock's quest is easier because it's more broad than Misty's. To make sure they wouldn't do another Johto mistake, they took out the character with the least potential for the show's sake.
     
    Beware of Dark Lugia said:
    ^I'm going to guess Misty is the one you're refering to. Brock still has somewhat of a quest that is shown in some episodes. Misty, on the otherhand, had no definite quest besides being a water pokémon master. Meaning without something water related around, she would go nowhere. Brock's quest is easier because it's more broad than Misty's. To make sure they wouldn't do another Johto mistake, they took out the character with the least potential for the show's sake.
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    I won't give a definitive answer, but I'll say it's a fine guess.

    While it IS true that Brock technically has a quest, he doesn't actually follow up on it. I mean, since he's aiming to be a Pokemon Breeder, why doesn't he, you know, actually BREED a pokemon? I mean, the funny thing is, the only one of the Main Cast who has actually had a pokemon breed and produce an egg is Brock's replacement, Tracey.

    Also, as for Misty not having a definitive quest, doesn't Ash technically not have a definite quest? I mean, the qualifications of a Pokemon Master is unknown, especially in the Anime, and plus, Ash is literally getting nowhere with that Goal (even IF he manages to make champion of the Leagues, it only proves that he will be considered the champion of the leagues, and maybe even champion of the Elite 4. It by no way proves that he's a Pokemon Master [especially considering how Lance, Bruno, and even Cynthia were not labeled as Pokemon Masters.].), I mean, since Ash doesn't REALLY have a definite quest, shouldn't he ALSO have been replaced?

    And even IF gaining the Title of Pokemon Master is considered a definite goal, the mere fact that characters with Set Goals (that is, Brock, Ash, May, Max [well, sorta, since learning about Pokemon training early on does technically count as a definite goal] Dawn, and Team Rocket) are being demanded by several people in the fanbase to remove them from the main cast due to their being "stale" (oh... believe me, there are ACTUALLY people stating that Ash should be removed from the main cast due to being "stale and repetitive) seems to imply that a character without a definite goal would be more variable, and theoretically, more interesting than a character with a Set goal, which means that Misty would, in a theoretical sense, be more interesting than Brock, May, Max, Dawn, Team Rocket, and Even ASH.

    Anyways, that should be all (I mean, we don't want a flame war, do we?). If you want to discuss it more, come to my talk page, or at least PM me.
     
    I think Brock is still on because they couldn't come up with any viable alternative characters to replace him. Tracey didn't fare all that well, and neither did Max. Also, if they had a third active character like, let's say, Pearl, the show would be even slower than it is now. So yeah, Brock fills the role of "placebo". Unfortunate, but somewhat understandable.
     
    Call me a hypocrite if you want, but even when I consider Brock's supreme role in the Anime... He's Got2Go. He serves nearly no role at all in the Anime when it comes to the plot. He needs a replacement... a PERMANENT one this time. Yes, there would be some issues but I think there would have to be a younger replacement. Remember he ages too, so he may get too old to travel and probably go away to raise the teen pregnancy rate or something. We need a replacement who will actually make a COOL and BIG role. Like some Pokemon Wanderer who does Poke stuff for fun and no reason, and ends up being part of the Elite 4.

    BTW, you have issues if you think I'm against blacks. I am NOT a racist, I just think Brock got boring.
     
    Brock adds character to the group. From the idotic obsession over girls to cooking a meal for the day, he is good to keep. Though, it is getting fusterating with him being on the cast till this very day. In my conclusion, they should find a new entire cast of characters. Even Ash bugs me a bit...
    As long as Ash in on the screen, Brock should be able to feel the glory too.
     
    Pokémon isn't Pokémon without the original characters.

    I just wish that the 3 main characters were back together. It made the series great.
    Ash, Misty and Brock. Good times in the 90's watching Pokémon.. *Until it got crap after Advanced series* But don't get angry at me. This is my opinion. :p
     
    [SqS]Squirtle said:
    Pokémon isn't Pokémon without the original characters.

    I just wish that the 3 main characters were back together. It made the series great.
    Ash, Misty and Brock. Good times in the 90's watching Pokémon.. *Until it got crap after Advanced series* But don't get angry at me. This is my opinion. :p
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    So you somehow think that having a static cast for all eternity would prevent the series from "getting crap" at Advanced?
     
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