Brokeback Mountain

[Charaxes]

Or maybe it's because gay people are people, too, and there is nothing "shocking" about them.

Well, you got to understand that there are two types of gay people, the ones who are modest and the ones who flaunt it EVERYWHERE and make it the ONLY issue.

The latter type I don't care for because it undermines the legitimate gays and just overrides the message of acceptance/tolarance to shoving it in people's faces and that's why they fail and the gay movement needs to stop that if they want to get anywhere with people.

But unfortunately for Hollywood, they are filled with those who rather flaunt than to legitimatize themselves. Pity.

 

[Kurosaki]

I will never watch a movie like that throughout the course of my entire life... never. However, I do agree with what Kaga and DW (am I okay referring to you as that? @@) are saying. I know a few people who've seen it, and they said it was basically the point of the movie is centered around "ZOMG gay guys!" Direct quote, too... I guess it shows the maturity of my friends, XD I personally have no issues with gay people... but a sex scene... a little over-the-top if you ask me...

I was watching a show the other night that makes fun of the Canadian government. It had a fake commercial called "Brokeback Martin" that had Paul Martin (ex-Prime Minister) and Stephen Harper (new Prime Minister) and kind of put them in the place of the main characters, for like a movie commercial. I found it quite humorous...

 

[Kim]

Well, you got to understand that there are two types of gay people, the ones who are modest and the ones who flaunt it EVERYWHERE and make it the ONLY issue.

The latter type I don't care for because it undermines the legitimate gays and just overrides the message of acceptance/tolarance to shoving it in people's faces and that's why they fail and the gay movement needs to stop that if they want to get anywhere with people.

But unfortunately for Hollywood, they are filled with those who rather flaunt than to legitimatize themselves. Pity.

How can you be "legitimately gay?" The over-the-top gay fashion designers are just as gay as the gay guy down the road.

Some gays aren't afraid of being gay, and others don't make a big deal out of it.

Either way, I love my gay man friends, and we're going to have to agree to disagree.

 

[Chairman Kaga]

And how original of you to pull your psuedo intellectual shiza on someone cracking a joke.

Lawlzer, I don't know what I'm talking about because I can put together a sentence. Pseudointellectual is actually a pet term of the pseudointellectual; not to say that you are, but if you're going to take the in-your-face approach to debating, don't use such tired terms. I love how the people who call others intolerant merely for disagreeing with them are the least open to other opinions; they can't decide whether to be defensive or offensive so they take the middle ground and attack their opponent instead of their positions.

But I'd say it would be prudent to end this now; people don't create these type of threads without expecting (in some cases hoping) for the controversy to pit people against each other. I've vented my frustrations, I have nothing else to say on the topic, so I'm going to remove myself from it for the sake of this pointless sub-topic ending. Odds are people are eventually going to enter this topic and end up getting it closed, but not yet.


John, many thanks for putting forth the point again; none of their points will ever be accepted as long as they feel they have to constantly remind us of their presence as if our not continually treating them as the center of attention in all facets of our lives is offensive, spiteful, intentional, what have you. Militancy in anything is never productive.

 

[Ryoutarou]

Or maybe it's because gay people are people, too, and there is nothing "shocking" about them.

As DW said, it's more because the film doesn't portray it as such. I know the short story just tosses it in as if it were a straight couple, but with the movie it makes it title scene. All the reviews I've read and friends who have seen it tell me that it didn't live up to the story. It's just a pretenious movie built on the fact that being gay is apparently supposed to shock people, yet get them to accept it. Eventually I'll see it myself, but as of now it just doesn't look like a good movie at all.

How can you be "legitimately gay?" The over-the-top gay fashion designers are just as gay as the gay guy down the road.

Some gays aren't afraid of being gay, and others don't make a big deal out of it.

Either way, I love my gay man friends, and we're going to have to agree to disagree.

Because there are people that try to make it the focal point of their life. To people like that, it's not "I love this person and I want the world to know" it's "I love this person of the SAME GENDER and I want the world to know, even if they don't want to know I'll try to say it as loud as I can". The people that aren't afraid of being gay are the ones that can hold hands with someone of the same sex in public, or kiss in public, like any other couple would. But there are some that set out to make it seem that loving someone of the same sex is a "shock effect" type thing.

Oh and try to watch the swearing please.

And now I have to (sadly) ask everyone to watch what they say now as this seems like it'll probably get out of hand.

 

[pokejungle]

Well, you got to understand that there are two types of gay people, the ones who are modest and the ones who flaunt it EVERYWHERE and make it the ONLY issue.

Yeah, I totally agree here. The latter are hard for a hardcore conservative, such as myself, to get along with.

Alan, I'm rather disappointed you took the bait to get into a whole argument. Everyone can see that you're smart, and that the remark probably came off harsher that it was meant as.

Anyways ^^" I think Hollywood likes love stories. And what's the one crucial part of a love story nowadays? Sex. So it's a given that it had to be included in Brokeback Mountain.

The inclusion of sex in all aspects of our society is another problem, for a different LJ rant ;<

 

[I_WILL_OWN_YOU]

Gay people are all nasty , vulgar people that should all be dropped off on some desserted island .Never to be seen again in time they will all die of as they will not procreate any children.

 

[Charaxes]

Kurosaki, calling me DW is fine by me.

I'll say this before this closes, I enjoyed this, mostly had fun putting forth my POV and the issues of the movie in a legitimate way. Just has me amused overall. Hehehe. Alan, you should feel the same but I'm glad you feel strongly about it though.

Kim, everyone has backed me up, so I won't say anything.

Congrats, I WILL OWN YOU, you just discredited yourself from future debate. Whee!

 

[sleazel]

i want to see it cause i know ill bawl - i tend to do that & most guys i know dont so yea crying :)

 

[Kim]

Chairman, DarkWheezing, you make me feel smart. Thanks.

 

[Ryoutarou]

Kim, everyone has backed me up, so I won't say anything.

Congrats, I WILL OWN YOU, you just discredited yourself from future debate. Whee!

Now that wasn't necessary at all, people backed you up, good for you. No need to flaunt it with "I will own you" comments.

Chairman, DarkWheezing, you make me feel smart. Thanks.

...nor was this necessary.

I'm just locking this thread if I have to come in here again to tell people to cool off.

 

[I_WILL_OWN_YOU_]

Now that wasn't necessary at all, people backed you up, good for you. No need to flaunt it with "I will own you" comments.

...nor was this necessary.

I'm just locking this thread if I have to come in here again to tell people to cool off.

Yeah ,If a comment like that gets people banned around here ,and it wasnt even that harsh.Then that is just not cool modding at all unless he took it personal because he is confused about his orientation.

 

[Charaxes]

Well, the first half of that was more "what more can I say? I can't add to the debate anymore." I wasn't being smug there if that was you were thinking. This is why I don't like text. No inflections.

The I WILL OWN YOU part was at the member, I WILL OWN YOU, which can make the name associating confusing. If any malice, I apologize, just talk like that (his first comment) can rub people the wrong way.

I didn't mean to be gratitious. Sorry if I was.

 

[pokejungle]

Gay people are all nasty , vulgar people that should all be dropped off on some desserted island .Never to be seen again in time they will all die of as they will not procreate any children.

That's similar to what the Nazis thought of Jewish people. Please, don't perpetuate hate. I've already expressed my conservative views on homosexuality, but I'd never say something like that.

So yes, you deserved a ban in a very big way.

 

[oni flygon]

Chairman, DarkWheezing, you make me feel smart. Thanks.

Look, ma'am. There are only two people who I refuse to argue with. And that's Lily and Kaga. If you're going to be brave and actually call Kaga overthere a "pseudointelectual"... oh you're in for it. Please. Right now, you're flogging a dead horse. Oh and yes, I also observed that you broke a certain rule called the "no swearing" rule and I'm sure that's a warnable offense. ;D


And yeah. Please try to make the conversation less volatile. You don't want to see the thread close, do you?

 

[Ryoutarou]

Well, the first half of that was more "what more can I say? I can't add to the debate anymore." I wasn't being smug there if that was you were thinking. This is why I don't like text. No inflections.

The I WILL OWN YOU part was at the member, I WILL OWN YOU, which can make the name associating confusing. If any malice, I apologize, just talk like that (his first comment) can rub people the wrong way.

If you can't add to the debate anymore, then just step away from it. Topics like these tend to be very touchy with certain people. And sorry about the second part, didn't see that post.

Yeah ,If a comment like that gets people banned around here ,and it wasnt even that harsh.Then that is just not cool modding at all unless he took it personal because he is confused about his orientation.

Do I give if it's "cool modding"? A lot of the things I do as a staff member are unpopular, doesn't mean I won't do it. Comments like those won't get people banned, but the past here has shown that these conversations are very touchy subjects. A lot of people can and do take things the wrong way very often. Your other comment was uncalled for in every right. Joking or not, it doesn't matter, people still get offended at things like that. That "joke" was just in poor taste to begin with.

So this topic's gonna be locked now. Anyone that wants to make a new one is free to do so, just try not to comment on this part of the subject.