Capital Punishment

[Milke]

Do think Capital Punishment is wrong or a good idea? In my opinion, I think it's right, mostly because of my religion(Christianity).

 

[Haza]

I thought it was called "Corporal" Punishment, maybe it can be either way? Either way I hink its wrong.

 

[Milke]

Hmm. Where I live, it's called Capital Punishment. According to my religion, God has sanctioned certain people with the right to execute others for high crimes(murder, etc) without committing a sin.

 

[Fox♠]

Hmm. Where I live, it's called Capital Punishment. According to my religion, God has sanctioned certain people with the right to execute others for high crimes(murder, etc) without committing a sin.

It's capital here in England too.

I'm no Christian, but I agree with it.

"An eye for an eye"

Some crimes need to be dealt with physically.

 

[Tokin]

Against, I believe every criminal has a chance for redemption, however slim, however I DO supposrt harsher penalties, and harsher living condiions in prisons, some are actually liveable environments, so much that sometimes homeless people commit crimes so they can go to jail and get food and sheter, it is supposed to be a punishment, and if harsher penalties exist, without death penalty, less crimes would be committed

 

[st.jimmy]

well i mean watching certain programs on tv with pedos as characters makes u want to punch the screen in anger at them but physical punishment should not legally allowed i dont think.
im sure this who agree wouldnt like it if they did something wrong.

 

[.Ozymandias]

In certain situations, I think it is good. The last man hanged in the UK was Derek Bentley in 1952, but there have been people since then who I feel deserved to suffer Corporal or Capital Punishment. People who are serial killers, child molestors who then murder their victims, serial rapists and the such like cost the UK and, equally, other countries in the world, a fortune to keep in mental institutions and prisons. I feel, why should I pay taxes to keep someone who brutally murdered children/women/men/animals/whatever? So, to me, it is good when the evidence is sound. If you kill someone for a crime, you cannot retest the evidence at a later date and get their punishment or sentance quashed, so the forensic evidence must be 100% secure for a capital punishment to go ahead.

 

[st.jimmy]

i thought sadame hussaun was the last guy to get hung...unless that was in america :/
oh wells.

 

[Milke]

well i mean watching certain programs on tv with pedos as characters makes u want to punch the screen in anger at them but physical punishment should not legally allowed i dont think.
im sure this who agree wouldnt like it if they did something wrong.

Um, what is this? What are you trying to say? That "physical punishment should be disallowed?" What is that supposed to mean?

 

[st.jimmy]

Um, what is this? What are you trying to say? That "physical punishment should be disallowed?" What is that supposed to mean?

i might have confused this with something else.
otherwise i mean:
"physical punishment should not be a way of inforcing the law"

 

[Nitrous Oxide]

I believe it's right given the right circumstances. However, if someone truly has changed during their time in prison (possibly fabricate some string of tests) and genuinely regret what they did and such, the sentence should be changed at first to life in prison, and possibly shorter from there. But first, some kind of test has to be made to allow this.

 

[Superjub]

I'm kinda against and with.
It depends, say on what the cercumstances are.
I mean, if someone stole loads of times, then I believe its wrong but if people go around murdering loads of people, I believe then they should be capital...ounished? XD Also, the evidence has to be solid.

 

[An-chan]

In my opinion, I think it's right, mostly because of my religion(Christianity).

You mean because of one of the ten commandments, "Do not kill"?

I very strongly disagree with you. I'm not Christian, I don't believe in any God, but I live in a Christian country (one that doesn't have capital punishment, by the way) and I do agree with most of the Ten Commandments. "Do not kill" is one of the ones I agree with. And capital punishment breaks that rule.

If killing is wrong, why are there people hired by the government who kill for their job? Isn't there something very seriously wrong with that? Who can say when killing is justified and when not?
Let's think of this hypothetical situation. Mr. X finds out that his friend, Mr. Z, behaves violently towards his own family and treats Mrs. Z very brutally. Upset by this, Mr. X kills his friend in a burst of rage, because he is a bad person. Later on, Mr. X himself will be killed for his crime. This is because Mr. X had no right to judge Mr. Z, right? Even Bible says that we're not allowed to judge each other.
Then why is the government allowed to judge Mr. X?

Also, there are a number of situations where innocent people have been killed for a crime they did not commit. No-one can bring those people back, even if the real criminal is found later on. In that case, the one who performed the execution killed an innocent person. Should the one in charge then be executed in exchange?

I can never understand how people are able to morally justify the usage of capital punishment to themselves. Maybe I am narrow-minded, I don't know. I don't think killing anyone is the right thing to do. I don't believe in killing. No-one has the right to decide who gets to live and who doesn't, and that should aplly to the justice system as well.

In my opinion, capital punishment is an excellent example of double standards.

There's nothing that's right about capital punishment. It's only a way to make room for new prisoners in prison. It's inhumane. It contradicts all moral standards, the Christian ones as well.

tl;dr, maybe, but at least I got to say what I wanted. Also, if someone feels like telling me why capital punishment is right, I'm eager to hear it. You never know, maybe I am just being narrow-minded...

 

[Aurafire]

The thing about capital punishment that I don't get is that when someone is sentenced to death, it takes like 15-20 years for them to exhaust all their appeals, and then they get executed. They should change the sentence to "15-20 years in prison and then death".

Seriously, it totally takes the power out of the death penalty. I'm all for capital punishment, but not if it takes this long to actually carry out. The legal system in the U.S. is very flawed, especially when it comes to appeals and stuff like that. People go on trial like a year after they've been arrested. Anyway, yeah, I'm in support of the death penalty. It makes sense really...If someone takes the life of another, his or her life should be taken as well. I don't buy that no crime is serious enough to constitute the killing of another human being. If someone killed one of my friends or family, you can be darn sure I'd want him or her to suffer the same fate.

 

[I Laugh at your Misfortune!]

I thought it was called "Corporal" Punishment, maybe it can be either way? Either way I hink its wrong.

Corporal Punishment is non-lethal physical punishment e.g. flogging, beating, etc.

Capital Punishment is execution e.g. hanging, beheading, lethal injection, etc.



I'm against Corporal punishment, as it only engenders feelings of spite and makes people even angrier. So, it wouldn't help crime rates even slightly.

As for Capital punishment, I'm for it, but only in extreme cases, e.g. mass murder or serious terrorism. There are some people that the world is better off without.

EDIT:

Let's think of this hypothetical situation. Mr. X finds out that his friend, Mr. Z, behaves violently towards his own family and treats Mrs. Z very brutally. Upset by this, Mr. X kills his friend in a burst of rage, because he is a bad person. Later on, Mr. X himself will be killed for his crime.

This is a situation where i would disagree with execution, as there was a (semi-) reasonable motive behind the crime.

If there was another hypothetical situation, let's say where Mr. Z is not abusing his family but Mr. X kills him because he's jealous of Mr. Z's success. Along with Mr. Z, Mr. X also kills all of Mr. Z's family.

Now in this situation, I think capital punishment would be appropriate. After all, a "life sentence" in prison can be just 14 years. If Mr. X was, say, 30 when he committed the crime, he'd only be middle-aged when he was released. This leaves him plenty of time to kill again.

 

[Harmonie]

I am strongly against the Death Penalty.

I'd much rather see the horrible mass murderers rot in jail for the rest of their lives. Not get a free ticket to death.

Besides I see it as nothing more than killing, and I do believe that all killing is wrong... and that by killing these criminals we are going down to their level. Two wrongs don't make a right.

You mean because of one of the ten commandments, "Do not kill"?

YES. I'm so glad somebody finally said this!

 

[An-chan]

If there was another hypothetical situation, let's say where Mr. Z is not abusing his family but Mr. X kills him because he's jealous of Mr. Z's success. Along with Mr. Z, Mr. X also kills all of Mr. Z's family.

Now in this situation, I think capital punishment would be appropriate. After all, a "life sentence" in prison can be just 14 years. If Mr. X was, say, 30 when he committed the crime, he'd only be middle-aged when he was released. This leaves him plenty of time to kill again.

Hmm... You're right, but I kind of disagree with one thing here. After 14 years of prison, possible resentment, psychological treatment and so on, it might be that Mr. X wouldn't kill again. Maybe he killed the family in a burst of insanity and really regretted it. Maybe Mr. Z had done something mean to him before, causing him to explode with envy. In any case, it might be that Mr. X never really had intended to kill the family, or that he had a motive so strong he couldn't resist it. It was very, very wrong of him to kill the family, but it could very well be that he would never kill anyone again even if he was allowed to live on.
You can never know what people become... Well, some people with mental illnesses can be very emotionless, so maybe they can't change the way they think or act, but most people can. Most people can change, and a suprising amount of us really want to. For example, I've always thought it isn't fair that young criminals get labeled for the rest of their lives, even if their attitude does a complete 180 degree turn. After decades, their employers will suspect them if they have even a single mugging on their record.

People really do change, so I don't think killing them is a very goof option.

I understand your viewpoint, though. Nobody wants a neigbour who murdered his last neighbour 12 years ago, even if he has changed now. Nobody wants a known rapist in their neighborhood. But then again, I'd rather live with a person who has murdered someone in the past and has changed after that than a person who has never murdered anyone, but is highly homicidal and could do it someday. Anyway, I understand what you're saying, even though I seem to babble on about this and that and whatnot :D

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Ah, thank you. <3 That kind of captures it, don't you think?

Double standards. That's what it's all about.

 

[Richard Wagner]

The fact of the matter is, "Justice" is just this: malice and cruelty in a virtuous disguise. And to me there is nothing more despicable than those people who think the death penalty should be doled out more often because "criminals" are "sapping up my tax dollars! I'm tired of supporting them!" Honestly, if you think that you are a huge hypocrite; two wrongs don't make a right. The truly righteous person is the one who forgives, not the one who has vengeance, which is what justice really is.

Hmm. Where I live, it's called Capital Punishment. According to my religion, God has sanctioned certain people with the right to execute others for high crimes(murder, etc) without committing a sin.

I hate to be a polemicist, but is that in the New Testament? Because in the Old Testament God also tells the Jewish People to exterminate all of their neighboring countries, since those races might contaminate the practices of the chosen people. There aren't many people who still agree with that now, bar Ann Coulter.

Anyway, that idea, and the equally questionable one you are referring to, is part of the Mosaic Covenant, which Paul said doesn't apply to non-Jewish Christian converts (he was writing this when the people converting to Christianity were either Jews or pagan gentiles). And since "Christ is the end of the Law", this stuff doesn't apply to Christians.

I believe that the most important thing Jesus ever said ordid that is recorded in the Christian Canon is his command to "love you enemies". When you are at one with that which you don't identify with (your enemies), you yourself experience an expansion of your own consciousness. The concept of justice works to counter this under-valued concept.

So, on that basis, I disagree with what your argument.

 

[Fox♠]

I am strongly against the Death Penalty.

I'd much rather see the horrible mass murderers rot in jail for the rest of their lives. Not get a free ticket to death.

In British prison, one of our most notorious peadophiles has a PS3, Wii and cable. He gets x mas dinner and access to sport facilities.

Josef Fritzl is in a "prison" where he gets his own cell, television and can play tennis whenever he wants.

Prison is a cop out, the only solution to deal with these scum is death.

 

[I Laugh at your Misfortune!]

In British prison, one of our most notorious peadophiles has a PS3, Wii and cable. He gets x mas dinner and access to sport facilities.

Josef Fritzl is in a "prison" where he gets his own cell, television and can play tennis whenever he wants.

Prison is a cop out, the only solution to deal with these scum is death.

I don't have a PS3, cable or a free tennis court. Maybe life is actually easier for those behind bars...which is kinda against the point. I agree with the death penalty in extreme cases, but what we really need is prison cells that are a bed and a toilet and nothing else. Hell, some people have even got university degrees while in jail. Prison is just like a free hotel that you can only leave if you promise not to do any more murdering. You don't have to actually keep that promise, though.