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[luke]

The only Pokemon I've had problems with are Electivire if it happens to get a Motor Drive boost and Alakazam if it gets a CM in.

 

[Dark Azelf]

The only Pokemon I've had problems with are Electivire if it happens to get a Motor Drive boost and Alakazam if it gets a CM in.

Roar on Zappy maybe ? It takes hits from HP ice/Flamethrower/Thunderbolt Cross Chop e-vire like pro.

 

[luke]

It's actually the fully Physical Electivire that have caused the most problems with their damn Ice Punches.

 

[sims796]

Of course, I always say Grumpig, but thatt might not work here. Still wanted to say Grumpig.

But I agree on the hazing idea.

 

[luke]

Grumpig would work if it could Levitate. I'm a huge Grumpig fan as well.

I REALLY want to replace Drapion.

 

[Syaoran]

I suggest Scarf on Infernape then + making it your lead. U-turn instead of Thunder Punch. It can revenge unsuspecting Electivire when it gets the motor drive boost. U-turn from a fully physical Infernape will hurt Alakazam a lot, and you can switch to Drapion on the predicted Psychic.


Also more HP EV's on Drapion might help surviving an Earthquake from a Dugtrio. I like its set, was considering of using one of these as well [especially for that annoying Cress].

 

[Anti]

Which comes back to, "Who's going to keep it on Suicune OR Tangrowth?" Seriously.

You aren't understanding the concept at all, as you are proving by constantly contradicting yourself >.>

If a team is weak to something, it's something that the team cannot counter and has trouble dealing with. It's a given that almost any sweeper can tear apart half of a standard team. Take Azelf for example. If you have Blissey and snorlax but everything else is easily beaten by Azelf, would you consider that team Azelf weak? I think not.

Also, if you aren't going to keep Aero in on Tangrowth or Suicune, it's pretty obvious this team isn't Aero weak like you said (that is the contradiction I was referring to). You're saying that the team is Aero weak yet you wouldn't keep it in on two of the pokemon...that makes no sense. Also, saying a pokemon won't stay in is not in any way, shape, or form a viable argument against a pokemon being a counter. It actually proves the point.

Anyways, I still yelp for Registeel, but if you want a floating Psychic, Uxie is pretty good. Electivire really can't touch it and you can Yawn it or Toxic it, not to mention the possibility of SR. It's a pretty awesome pokemon nobody really uses.

 

[sims796]

Anyways, I still yelp for Registeel, but if you want a floating Psychic, Uxie is pretty good. Electivire really can't touch it and you can Yawn it or Toxic it, not to mention the possibility of SR. It's a pretty awesome pokemon nobody really uses.

So that is what he meant by "floating Grumpig".

 

[luke]

Still need replacement for Drapion. Nao. ;-;

 

[sims796]

You get nothing. It's supposed to be "RIGHT NAOW!!!".

Are you looking for something as tankish as Drapion?

 

[luke]

Tankish, similar resistances, but better at what it does.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Oh, Physical Vire gets roflcoptered at by Tangrowth btw, even though the dude gets Ice Punch, it does like ass to Growth.


I assumed you meant Special based mixvire, Groth hates them.

 

[sims796]

Most bulky psychic types can handle SpecialVire, right?

 

[luke]

How about a non-CB Metagross (possibly mixed) in place of Drapion. And I may change Infernape's item to Choice Scarf like was suggested by Syaoran.

 

[Syaoran]

You need something to punish that annoying Cresselia. That's why I think Drapion is actually good for this =p

Metagross can explode on her tho. xD

 

[luke]

That's the one Pokemon I always forget to prepare for when making a team. However, since I've been leading with Drapion, he's usually dead before Cresselia appears. But if I lead with CS-Infernape, he might actually be around for Cressy.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Looking back over this thread, saying how much you wanted to replace drapion, with something that is similar.

How bout


Tyranitar@Leftovers / Black Glasses / Life Orb
252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
Jolly Nature
- Taunt / Stone Edge / ice Beam
- Dragon Dance
- Crunch
- Earthquake


SS is annoying though, so meh.


Black Glasses Crunch 2hko's swampert without the recoil of life orb, before anyone comes in here saying "ZOMG JOO NOOB BLACK GL4SSORZ !11" Ice Beam ohko's Gliscor and Garchomp and 2HKOS Hippow, Donpahn with a Life Orb, even with jolly Nature, Naive nature it acceptable if you wish to power it up more.

 

[luke]

I really don't see Tyranitar fitting well into this team. The only problem I'm having with Drapion is that it's my lead. I think once I try out the new positioning, it may work out in the end.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Infernape makes a fine leads. Alternately Calm Zappy is one of the best counters to common leads, especially Mixmence, Gyarados etc...

 

[luke]

I kept CB on Infernape and made it my lead. The new line up is working pretty well. I might experiment with Zapdos too to see how that works.