CMT(Critique My Team)

Oh, I keep thinking it's half Ground for some reason. Doesn't he look it?
 
You know you can play the "what if" card all day. Well yeah, if my stall team loses Vaporeon and Blissey I'm Heatran weak, but I'm not especially worried about that :P

Also Sims, it should be noted Starmie will beat Bronzong. STAB Surf will hurt more than you'd think and Star resists Gyro Ball and can survive it pretty easily and can Recover off damage. I agree with Candymancan that if Blissey dies this team is Starmie weak actually, but I'm not a fan of that kind of logic unless it invloves Dugtrio or the occasional Weavile (trap trap trap!)

Also I don't really see the point of Shuca Berry when Gyarados is quite capable of taking Ground attacks ;) Honestly those berries are not good in most cases.

EDIT: For the record taking sides is the last thing I'm trying to do.
 
No, if you have an opinion, share it. But I don't see the weak much at all. Gyro Ball takes a healthy chunk out of Star, and it has Rest. If he keeps Exposion, Star is done for on the spot. You missed the point of the "what if" game comepletely.

Star won't have both Psychic AND Grass Knot (wich I know realize Psychic does nothing to Drapion) and if it does, it won't have Surf. Bronzong was my #1 Starmie counter for my old team, it served me all too well.

We can play "what if" all day, but it is still valid logic. It's thinking of the possibilities. It's dangerous for Star to come in on any of these pokes without losing a chunk. Blissey is a suitible counter, and if she falls (which would be unlikely for a competant player) Bronzong can handle Star, especially with Rest.

EDIT: I did some calcs, Star barely 3HKO's Zong. It can counter back with Gyro Ball, which, based on memory, does a suitable chunk to Star. Sure, it'll recover, but Bronzong also has that luxury. If he decides to keep Explosion, problem solved. Star is overrated, anywho.

Once again, this whole situation is a giant "what if". You must be an idiot to lose Bissey so early, to be swept by Star. Unless they have Dugtrio, but, hey.
 
Wait, a bulky starmie losing to an attack it resists? Really, it doesn't sound likely. also the "what if" game wasn't actually directed at you silly :P

A 3HKO means that when it rests for two turns, Starmie can attack it twice and then a third time due to being faster, meaning Bronzong really can't hurt Starmie. Also remember Starmie has recover and can stall Gyro Ball out of its max 8 PP pretty quickly. It won't be 2HKOing Starmie, that's for sure, so I wouldn't really call Bronzong much of a Starmie counter or even a Starmie revenge killer.

And what if scenarios can be valid logic, like relying on one pokemon to counter 2/3 of the metagame. With something like Starmie who just has trouble sweeping in general (100 base SAtk and a ticket for Weavile to come in and kill you...) I'm not too sold on the "what-if" in this case.

However it does bring up a good point which is that this team certainly relies a lot on Blissey to do most special walling, where a "what if" scenario for something like Azelf would probably be better since Azelf can actually sweep, which let's face it - Bulky Starmie cannot sweep unless the team is REALLY Starmie weak (though I suppose you could make the case this team is).

I don't think I worded my thoughts correctly (sound familiar?) so yeah :P Honestly I feel like I'm missing your point and you're missing mine. Oh well, I really suck at communicating my thoughts.
 
Anti-Pop said:
Wait, a bulky starmie losing to an attack it resists? Really, it doesn't sound likely. also the "what if" game wasn't actually directed at you silly :P

A 3HKO means that when it rests for two turns, Starmie can attack it twice and then a third time due to being faster, meaning Bronzong really can't hurt Starmie. Also remember Starmie has recover and can stall Gyro Ball out of its max 8 PP pretty quickly. It won't be 2HKOing Starmie, that's for sure, so I wouldn't really call Bronzong much of a Starmie counter or even a Starmie revenge killer.

And what if scenarios can be valid logic, like relying on one pokemon to counter 2/3 of the metagame. With something like Starmie who just has trouble sweeping in general (100 base SAtk and a ticket for Weavile to come in and kill you...) I'm not too sold on the "what-if" in this case.

However it does bring up a good point which is that this team certainly relies a lot on Blissey to do most special walling, where a "what if" scenario for something like Azelf would probably be better since Azelf can actually sweep, which let's face it - Bulky Starmie cannot sweep unless the team is REALLY Starmie weak (though I suppose you could make the case this team is).

I don't think I worded my thoughts correctly (sound familiar?) so yeah :P Honestly I feel like I'm missing your point and you're missing mine. Oh well, I really suck at communicating my thoughts.
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We are, missing entirely. I still don't see a severe Starmie weak, although we can both agree, Blissey takes care of it. Do we really need two pokemon to handle one? Should we have a backup for everything? If Blissey dies, he loses, straight up. So should all teams have more than one wall as a "backup"? Not so much. Remember, a while back we were talking how your entire team could be swept by ice. You put in Blissey, bam, problem solved. Same with me & Grumpig, since, oddly enough, fire & ice are my main weaknesses. Grumpig fixed that up well. He doesn't really need to worry about the Starmie weak right now, it can't touch Blissey (& if Starmie comes in on the wrong move, it's over, but let's ignore that).

Still, he is getting rid of Drapion (or should), might as well throw in Weavile or something.
 
Bronzong @ leftovers
Ability: Levitate
Relaxed
252 HP, 152 Attack, 8 Defense, 96 Sp. Defense
- Gyro Ball
- Psychic
- Toxic
- Hypnosis
 
I would agree, it depends on how much you fear a certain pokemon, I guess the point I was trying to make was that Starmie and its average Special Attack really isn't something to fear to sweep a team. I'd agree beyond Blissey there is a Starmie weakness, but not THAT bad. You could make the case this team relies on Blissey too much though, and the two certainly are related. IMO it's the kind of thing you can't really prove either way, so with that...yeah, I'll shut up.

One thing with this team I actually do see is a (lol) Skarmory weakness. It sound riidiculous, but Gyarados can really only paralyze it and Infernape cannot switch into Brave Bird. Blissey can try to stall it, but 3 layers of spikes + whirlwind means gg. However, it could bring Infernape in to scare t off, but that's a VERY shaky way to deal with Skarmory. I don't know, I think a different sweeper over Infernape would probably help a lot more. Other Steel walls pose the same problem, so yeah. Bulky Grounds are more trouble to Infernape and friends with STAB Earthquakes to kill it, but Gyarados can handle them decently.

I'd go with a pure special sweeper over Infernape, preferably something pretty fast (like Azelf).
 
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