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Competitive Team Questions (and Incomplete Team Help)

Dragonmage said:
Special Sweeper-Magnezone
-Thunderbolt
-Magnet Rise
-Flash Cannon
-Signal Beam
EV:
152 HP
252 SAtk
100 Spd

Physical Wall-Carracosta
Item: Chesto Berry
-Aqua Jet
-Ancient Power
-Ice Beam
-Rest
EV:
200 HP
52 Atk
252 Def

This is the start of my tournament team. I'm thinking of adding in a Blissey as a special wall, and Scizor as a baton passer. Any suggestions (other pokemon to use, builds, etc)?
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Magnezone could theoretically use Magnet Rise to avoid Ground moves, but Air Balloon is a more reliable alternative:
-Substitute
-Thunderbolt
-Hidden Power (Ice/Fire)/Charge Beam
-Flash Cannon/Charge Beam
Nature: Timid
EVs: 36 HP/252 SAtk/220 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Air Balloon
Ability: Magnet Pull

or
-Thunderbolt
-Volt Switch
-Hidden Power (Ice/Fire)
-Flash Cannon
Nature: Timid/Modest
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe (Timid) or 148 HP/252 SAtk/108 Spe (Modest)
Item: Choice Scarf (Timid)/Choice Specs (Modest)
Ability: Magnet Pull

Carracosta's bad defensive typing makes it unsuitable as a physical wall, but it has Stealth Rock as a support option. Its Attack is better than its Special Attack, so the latter stat is rarely used. It also makes a decent Shell Smash sweeper:
-Stealth Rock
-Waterfall
-Stone Edge
-Aqua Jet/Stealth Rock
Nature: Impish
EVs: 248 HP/8 Atk/252 Def
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Solid Rock

or
-Shell Smash
-Waterfall
-Stone Edge
-Aqua Jet/Earthquake
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: White Herb

But then again, Gliscor is a better physical wall because of its good defensive typing in conjunction with Poison Heal:
-Substitute
-Toxic
-Protect/Taunt/Roost
-Earthquake
Nature: Impish
EVs: 244 HP/28 Def/236 Spe
Item: Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal

or
-Earthquake
-Taunt/Toxic
-Toxic/Ice Fang/Stealth Rock
-Roost/Protect
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/240 Def/16 Spe
Item: Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal

Scizor is better off scouting or KOing things outright rather than Baton Passing. Baton Passing can be done better by Ninjask or Smeargle:

Scizor:
-U-turn
-Bullet Punch
-Superpower
-Quick Attack/Pursuit
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 248 HP/252 Atk/8 Spe
Item: Choice Band
Ability: Technician

or
-Swords Dance
-Bullet Punch
-Brick Break/Superpower
-Bug Bite/Roost
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Life Orb
Ability: Technician

or
-Swords Dance
-Bullet Punch
-Bug Bite/Superpower
-Roost
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 HP/40 Atk/216 SDef
Item: Leftovers/Iron Plate/Metal Coat
Ability: Technician

Ninjask:
-Substitute
-Protect
-Baton Pass
-Swords Dance/Toxic
Nature: Impish
EVs: 248 HP/236 Def/24 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Mental Herb
Ability: Speed Boost

Smeargle:
-Spore
-Shell Smash
-Baton Pass
-Ingrain/Taunt
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 80 Atk/96 Def/80 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Focus Sash
Ability: Own Tempo
 
Ash493 said:
More than stats as global, EVs and preferably IVs would help in deciding.
Bold is a good nature so in that field it's pretty good.
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IV's in order
HP: 31 Atk: 3 Def: 26 Sp Atk: 9 Sp Def: 12 Spd: 28

EV's
HP: 252 Atk: 0 Def: 200 Sp Atk: 0 Sp Def: 52 Spd: 0

Hopefully that helps. I really do like Vaporeon as a water type, and I really want to use on a competitive team

PlatinumDude said:
Moveset needs work. Acid Armor is only good for Baton Pass sets:
-Wish
-Protect
-Scald
-Ice Beam/Toxic
Nature: Bold
EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/8 Spe
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb

or
-Substitute
-Baton Pass
-Acid Armor/Aqua Ring/Wish
-Scald/Roar
Nature: Bold
EV: 244 HP/136 Def/128 Spe
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
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Hmm..I see I actually like the first set best with toxic instead of ice beam. I just don't know how to get the wish on there. I'm pretty sure I have to breed it to get that, correct? or is there a tm for it?

Also, stat wise and based on my IV's and EV spread, is it a good Vaporeon? Or should I breed for one with better SP Def?
 
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vapes said:
IV's in order
HP: 31 Atk: 3 Def: 26 Sp Atk: 9 Sp Def: 12 Spd: 28

EV's
HP: 252 Atk: 0 Def: 200 Sp Atk: 0 Sp Def: 52 Spd: 0

Hopefully that helps. I really do like Vaporeon as a water type, and I really want to use on a competitive team



Hmm..I see I actually like the first set best with toxic instead of ice beam. I just don't know how to get the wish on there. I'm pretty sure I have to breed it to get that, correct? or is there a tm for it?

Also, stat wise and based on my IV's and EV spread, is it a good Vaporeon? Or should I breed for one with better SP Def?
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Wish is one of Eevee's egg moves, so you'll have to breed for it.

The IVs are decent, but the Special stats are terrible.
 
PlatinumDude said:
Wish is one of Eevee's egg moves, so you'll have to breed for it.

The IVs are decent, but the Special stats are terrible.
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Well SP Atk shouldn't really matter since it's mostly a wall and its natural SP Atk can do some damage anyways. But yes I have hatched an egg that has much better SP Def, Def, and Speed. 29/30-31/29 respectively. The SP Atk is 5-8, but honestly it doesn't bother me as toxic and protect and wish will take out Pokes. And Surf/Scald will still do quite a lot of damage.

But yes I'll have to get a togepi..
 
vapes said:
Well SP Atk shouldn't really matter since it's mostly a wall and its natural SP Atk can do some damage anyways. But yes I have hatched an egg that has much better SP Def, Def, and Speed. 29/30-31/29 respectively. The SP Atk is 5-8, but honestly it doesn't bother me as toxic and protect and wish will take out Pokes. And Surf/Scald will still do quite a lot of damage.

But yes I'll have to get a togepi..
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But then again, having a good IV in an offensive stat you intend to use is also important, as Toxic may not be enough to take down opponents, and base stats aren't enough alone, since there are times when the low IV will hinder your damage output.

Togepi and Eevee can't breed together as they belong to different egg groups. You can have a male Smeargle Sketch Wish and breed it with Eevee.
 
PlatinumDude said:
But then again, having a good IV in an offensive stat you intend to use is also important, as Toxic may not be enough to take down opponents, and base stats aren't enough alone, since there are times when the low IV will hinder your damage output.

Togepi and Eevee can't breed together as they belong to different egg groups. You can have a male Smeargle Sketch Wish and breed it with Eevee.
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Hm, yes I see what you mean. Well I finally bred one and got an Eevee with WISH (I used skitty) and got these IV's
31/9/26/23-28/28/24 (Some of those might be wrong but they're around there).

Personally I think this is very good and I am not changing it. But please do provide feedback. Also, wish can be relearned by a move tutor if I delete it, correct?
 
vapes said:
Hm, yes I see what you mean. Well I finally bred one and got an Eevee with WISH (I used skitty) and got these IV's
31/9/26/23-28/28/24 (Some of those might be wrong but they're around there).

Personally I think this is very good and I am not changing it. But please do provide feedback. Also, wish can be relearned by a move tutor if I delete it, correct?
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Yup, those IVs should be good.

Also, the Move Maniac can only reteach level-up moves, not Egg/tutor moves, and Wish isn't one of Eevee's level-up moves.
 
PlatinumDude said:
Yup, those IVs should be good.

Also, the Move Maniac can only reteach level-up moves, not Egg/tutor moves, and Wish isn't one of Eevee's level-up moves.
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Thanks.
Just a quick question, do you happen to have one tamoto berry? I messed up EV training.

I have also chosen this moveset:

Scald
Toxic
Wish
Protect

Toxic for special attackers, scald for physical
 
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vapes said:
Thanks.
Just a quick question, do you happen to have one tamoto berry? I messed up EV training.

I have also chosen this moveset:

Scald
Toxic
Wish
Protect

Toxic for special attackers, scald for physical
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I don't trade via Wi-Fi. Tamato Berries can be bought at random from the Pokémon Breeder at Route 5 in B2/W2. Ask in the Quick Trade thread in the Trade forum.
 
PlatinumDude said:
I don't trade via Wi-Fi. Tamato Berries can be bought at random from the Pokémon Breeder at Route 5 in B2/W2. Ask in the Quick Trade thread in the Trade forum.
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She doesn't give you Tamato Berries for some reason.
But yes, I already did. Thanks for your help, though
 
PlatinumDude said:
Oh I forgot; you get them from Join Avenue if you rank-up the Flower Shop enough.
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Only in Black 2; I don't know why White 2 doesn't get it.
I got one though from someone.
 
I have a Haxorus. Thats Lonely nature with 29+ atk and spd Ivs but its HP Iv is 0. Yes I mean 0. Id like to keep it but not sure if its a good idea considering its low hp and everything. Is it?
 
@AdrainD: You should keep it considering that you will be using Haxorus offensively. If you want to be defensive, then use another one.
 
AdrianD said:
I have a Haxorus. Thats Lonely nature with 29+ atk and spd Ivs but its HP Iv is 0. Yes I mean 0. Id like to keep it but not sure if its a good idea considering its low hp and everything. Is it?
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Don't care about HP... Haxorus isn't made for long battles... it's made for sweeping.
So give him Choice Scarf or Band and kill everything before it kills you. ;)
 
Aryan143 said:
@AdrainD: You should keep it considering that you will be using Haxorus offensively. If you want to be defensive, then use another one.
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Ash493 said:
Don't care about HP... Haxorus isn't made for long battles... it's made for sweeping.
So give him Choice Scarf or Band and kill everything before it kills you. ;)
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Which pokemon endures well? I have I think three sweepers 2 physical, 1 special. Would like one to endure a little bit and grind out if need be.
 
Darmanitan vs. Chandelure

So, my pokemon team has always proved well for me, but there is always room for improvement. Of course, I have the infamous Sp. Atk god Chandelure on my team, but as a was surfing through my PC, I noticed something. My measly Lvl 60 Darmanitan had a 203 Atk level, without EV Training or boosters! As a result, I began to wonder: should I replace my Chandelure with Darmanitan after this new found discovery? Opinions, please!
 
AdrianD said:
Which pokemon endures well? I have I think three sweepers 2 physical, 1 special. Would like one to endure a little bit and grind out if need be.
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Here are some bulky 'mons you can try:

Ferrothorn:
-Stealth Rock/Spikes
-Leech Seed
-Power Whip
-Gyro Ball/Thunder Wave/Protect
Nature: Relaxed
EVs: 252 HP/88 Def/168 SDef
Item: Leftovers/Shed Shell

Forretress:
-Stealth Rock/Spikes/Toxic Spikes
-Rapid Spin
-Volt Switch
-Gyro Ball/Hidden Power (Ice)
Nature: Relaxed/Bold
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy

Donphan:
-Earthquake
-Rapid Spin
-Stealth Rock/Head Smash/Stone Edge
-Ice Shard
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 Def
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy

Blissey:
-Aromatherapy/Heal Bell/Stealth Rock
-Softboiled
-Seismic Toss/Flamethrower
-Toxic/Thunder Wave
Nature: Calm
EVs: 4 HP/252 Def/252 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure

or
-Wish
-Protect/Softboiled
-Seismic Toss/Flamethrower
-Toxic/Thunder Wave
Nature: Calm
EVs: 4 HP/252 Def/252 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure

Skarmory:
-Spikes/Stealth Rock
-Whirlwind/Roar
-Roost
-Brave Bird/Taunt
Nature: Impish/Careful
EVs: 252 HP/232 Def/24 Spe or 252 HP/232 SDef/24 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Shed Shell
Ability: Sturdy

Heatran:
-Lava Plume
-Stealth Rock/Roar
-Toxic/Will-o-Wisp/Earth Power
-Protect
Nature: Calm
EVs: 248 HP/252 SDef/8 Spe
Item: Leftovers

Gliscor:
-Earthquake
-Substitute
-Toxic
-Protect/Taunt/Roost
Nature: Impish
EVs: 244 HP/28 Def/236 Spe
Item: Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal

or
-Earthquake
-Taunt/Toxic
-Toxic/Ice Fang/Stealth Rock
-Roost/Protect
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/240 Def/16 Spe
Item: Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal

Jellicent:
-Scald/Surf
-Will-o-Wisp/Toxic
-Recover
-Taunt
Nature: Bold
EVs: 248 HP/216 Def/44 Spe
Item: Leftovers

or
-Scald/Surf
-Will-o-Wisp/Toxic
-Recover
-Ice Beam/Shadow Ball
Nature: Calm
EVs: 252 HP/36 Def/220 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
 
The choice between Darmanitan and Chandelure depends on whether you want to hit hard physically or specially. Both have good offensive move pools, but Chandelure's Ghost typing is also what sets it from Darmanitan.
 
vapes said:
Thanks.
Just a quick question, do you happen to have one tamoto berry? I messed up EV training.

I have also chosen this moveset:

Scald
Toxic
Wish
Protect

Toxic for special attackers, scald for physical
Click to expand...

PlatinumDude said:
I don't trade via Wi-Fi. Tamato Berries can be bought at random from the Pokémon Breeder at Route 5 in B2/W2. Ask in the Quick Trade thread in the Trade forum.
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They can be bought in the join avenue the berry specialist has to be I think lv 8
 
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