Contests or Gyms?

[weedle_mchairybug]

weedle_mchairybug, why the hell do you feel the need to bash on anything that Misty isn't in?

What makes you think that this had anything to do with Misty? I mean, even IF Misty was still on the show, and even IF she participated in at least one contest, my viewpoint would NOT change.

I didn't bash any of Ash's leagues despite Misty not participating, which if I was truly bashing anything Misty isn't in, I would have done that.

Besides, the only time I EVER directly referenced Misty was in the previous post, and that was just in respons to what Visne Tanrica said about what she did.

Though since you brought up Misty, get ready to rumble.

You find a reason to believe and say that contests are sexist? And somehow shows that girls are only good for being moms, cleaners? WHAT THE HELL DOES CONTEST HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH MOTHERING/CLEANING?

Yes, I have found reason to believe this. I actually noticed this ever since I saw how most of the main girls, even Marina and Jessie, now have to do Pokemon Contests, thus making Gyms seem like it's only a boys thing now. Heck, as I noticed, Brock and Ash never got replaced when Misty did.

As for the reason why I think Contests have ties to that. It's simple, it's something known as Gender Discrimination. I have been opposed to this sort of thing since I first bore witness to it. It's like how in Beauty and the Beast, the males seemed to actually have jobs whileas the only thing the girls seemed to do were basically make babies, be the mens toy, and nothing else, or how Gaston has stated that Women should never read or anything like that.

It's also like the portrayal of virtually every single female in Love Hina. THAT'S What I'm trying to convey. I cited a Baby Blues cartoon to further my point (Where Zoe says she wanted to be a Cheerleader because in her mindset "Boys are Doctors and Girls are Cheerleaders", thus forcing Wanda to explain that girls can be doctors, or anything else they want.), but it seems as though you guys ignored it or didn't read it.

Ash seems to enjoy contests. He's not a girl nor gay (well maybe ..but not flameboyantish).

He may not mind them, but he certainly doesn't enjoy them either. In order for him to actually enjoy it, he would actually do contests in a far more regular manner than he is currently and actually express an intrest (he only did three Pokemon Contests. One was in May's final appearance just so he can have something to do to kill time, the second was for Aipom's sake, and the third time was just to help train Buizel in a calibur that it can handle [he even expressed that he does NOT desire to be a coordinator, and that Aipom was a special case in the episode where he met Kenny.].).

Contests are a great addition to the show, to have the co-star girls do something other than just follow Ash (which sadly, Misty got stuck doing) which is why I think you're angry at contests, because May/Dawn are more important than Misty ..cause they actually have a goal. That's why I think you're all negative about contests overall. :] say all you want, be we all know the truth, eheh.

Misty had a goal. It was to be the world's greatest Water Pokemon Master, and it was certainly more of a goal than Brock's breeder goal, seeing how unlike Brock's goal, her goal to be a WPM was actually focused on, and did FAR more than just follow Ash around. Even IF she didn't any sort of goal at all, that has absolutely nothing to do with my hatred of May, Dawn, and Pokemon Contests. My hate for May and Dawn is because they are sexist stereotypes. If Misty was still on the Show, had what you would call an actual goal, and they became a member of the main cast, and they still acted the way they did, I still would have hated them, regardless of whether they themselves had an actual goal or not.

 

[I Laugh at your Misfortune!]

Okay, sorry, but this is just annoying me.

Yes, I have found reason to believe this. I actually noticed this ever since I saw how most of the main girls, even Marina and Jessie, now have to do Pokemon Contests, thus making Gyms seem like it's only a boys thing now.

Nobody has "had" to do contests. They participated because they enjoyed them, as Visne Tanrica pointed out and you ignored. Have you forgotten Kenny - a male who does contests and isn't obviously homosexual or metrosexual? What about Nando - who does both and, once again, isn't obviously homosexual or metrosexual? Hell, what about the various female Gym leaders, who clearly do not prefer contests - Maylene, Gardenia, Janine, Misty. What about Cynthia? The friggin' CHAMPION of the sinnoh region is a female. So don't claim that females "have" to do contests and boys "have" to do gym battles.

Heck, as I noticed, Brock and Ash never got replaced when Misty did.

Ash won't be replaced, ever, because he's the main character. Ergo, he is more important to the story than Misty - the story is, after all, the story of ASH'S journey. And, if you remember, Brock was replaced at one point, during the orange arc. And do you remember what happened next? Everyone started sobbing and hating Tracey because Brock was so much more popular than he could ever be. What happened, alternatively, when Misty left? Sure, there was backlash, but the fact was that plenty of people LIKED May and LIKED the change. Misty was replaced and Brock wasn't because the audience in general simply liked Brock more.

As for the reason why I think Contests have ties to that. It's simple, it's something known as Gender Discrimination. I have been opposed to this sort of thing since I first bore witness to it. It's like how in Beauty and the Beast, the males seemed to actually have jobs whileas the only thing the girls seemed to do were basically make babies, be the mens toy, and nothing else, or how Gaston has stated that Women should never read or anything like that.

It's also like the portrayal of virtually every single female in Love Hina. THAT'S What I'm trying to convey. I cited a Baby Blues cartoon to further my point (Where Zoe says she wanted to be a Cheerleader because in her mindset "Boys are Doctors and Girls are Cheerleaders", thus forcing Wanda to explain that girls can be doctors, or anything else they want.), but it seems as though you guys ignored it or didn't read it.

Okay, that's nice, but y'know, seeing as I don't, and have never watched Love Hina or Baby Blues, both of those references are kinda irrelevant. plus, they just kinda say exactly what you were saying and don't make any new points or anything.

He may not mind them, but he certainly doesn't enjoy them either. In order for him to actually enjoy it, he would actually do contests in a far more regular manner than he is currently and actually express an intrest (he only did three Pokemon Contests. One was in May's final appearance just so he can have something to do to kill time, the second was for Aipom's sake, and the third time was just to help train Buizel in a calibur that it can handle [he even expressed that he does NOT desire to be a coordinator, and that Aipom was a special case in the episode where he met Kenny.].).

Ash DOES enjoy contests. He simply enjoys gym battles more. Sure, he could do both, but if you remember the original Nando episode, plenty of people were pretty shocked that he was going to be able to do both



[quoteMisty had a goal. It was to be the world's greatest Water Pokemon Master, and it was certainly more of a goal than Brock's breeder goal, seeing how unlike Brock's goal, her goal to be a WPM was actually focused on, and did FAR more than just follow Ash around. [/quote]

I don't think having more episodes revolving around it qualifies it more as a goal. One might question how Misty would propose to become a water pokemon master. She already runs the cerulean gym, so really, the only place for her to go would be to try and become a water-typed member of the elite 4. But when was Misty shown actually attempting to do something to advance a goal of this sort? Sure, she might have had a few episodes about it, but she really never did anything particularly tangible that was demonstrated to have advanced her goal. Brock, meanwhile, has been shown as constantly looking after all of the team's pokemon and, on top of that, has had several noticeable acheivements - when he looked after Vulpix for the Pokemon groomer (I forget her name) for example.

 

[Nina]

I didn't bash any of Ash's leagues despite Misty not participating, which if I was truly bashing anything Misty isn't in, I would have done that.

As for the reason why I think Contests have ties to that. It's simple, it's something known as Gender Discrimination. I have been opposed to this sort of thing since I first bore witness to it. It's like how in Beauty and the Beast, the males seemed to actually have jobs whileas the only thing the girls seemed to do were basically make babies, be the mens toy, and nothing else, or how Gaston has stated that Women should never read or anything like that.

He may not mind them, but he certainly doesn't enjoy them either. In order for him to actually enjoy it, he would actually do contests in a far more regular manner than he is currently and actually express an intrest (he only did three Pokemon Contests. One was in May's final appearance just so he can have something to do to kill time, the second was for Aipom's sake, and the third time was just to help train Buizel in a calibur that it can handle [he even expressed that he does NOT desire to be a coordinator, and that Aipom was a special case in the episode where he met Kenny.].).

You bash on only the female things Misty is not in, and yeah I did bring up Misty, sorry.

I enjoy new york cheese cake. I don't eat it every single day or every single time I see it. In fact, you enjoy things more the less you do them. The girls some times get discouraged by taking contests on full time or forget some important thing because they do it all the time. If Ash didn't enjoy doing a contest or two, he wouldn't have entered in the first place.

Beauty and the Beast was in a different TIME PERIOD, of course women didn't have equal rights. It wasn't until contraceptives that there was a good reason for women to do something else, which by the way having children is the meaning of our (humanity, men and women) natural existence, to pass on and continue life. It's a great thing and I don't know why a hint that women should have them is so upsetting. Johanna was a great coordinator who was independent and achieved what she WANTED and then had Dawn. She still goes out to and does what she wants and supports her daughter in her dream. Just because she happens to live at home and raise a child full time isn't telling all girls to be only homemakers.

There will always always always be a difference between men and women in likes, tastes, biology, thought process, and much more. Just because EVERY SINGLE THING is not displayed in a unisex manner does not mean that it's sexist towards women.
With contests so called being only participated by women and gay men, wouldn't they be sexists to males?
Being sexist towards male creators who don't make things unisex isn't supporting females. :|

Brock gets breeding experience by traveling as a breeder. I'm not going into the whole Misty has a goal and somehow May and Dawn don't crap.

And with that, it's getting too off-topic. Shoving my last word in, then anything else you can VM me. Sorry for butting my head into what was a reply for you, Kitty! xD;;

Contests are girly but they don't show off the girls themselves. They use their pokemon in a very visually interesting manner in an appeal and in battle, and they also have to do pretty well in those battles.
I think it's an art, and it's great. :>

EDIT: Holy crap, how did I miss Cynthia? Good one.

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

All right, Fine! I tried explaining what I was trying to convey, but it seems as though you guys just won't get it, so I'm out of here. Seesh, it's as if we can't express our opinion anymore.

 

[Nina]

All right, Fine! I tried explaining what I was trying to convey, but it seems as though you guys just won't get it, so I'm out of here. Seesh, it's as if we can't express our opinion anymore.

No, it's just that we have the right to debate. We got it, we didn't agree with the evidence you gave for it, and we voiced why we don't agree with it.
You can covey your meaning all you want but it's not like some great holy light that will convert us when we see it.
Just because you're upset we don't agree with you doesn't mean we're stupid. x)

 

[I Laugh at your Misfortune!]

All right, Fine! I tried explaining what I was trying to convey, but it seems as though you guys just won't get it, so I'm out of here. Seesh, it's as if we can't express our opinion anymore.

To back up what Tanrica says, we're allowed to express our opinion just as much as you are, even if it's our opinion that you're wrong.

 

[Kitty!]

What makes you think that this had anything to do with Misty? I mean, even IF Misty was still on the show, and even IF she participated in at least one contest, my viewpoint would NOT change.

I didn't bash any of Ash's leagues despite Misty not participating, which if I was truly bashing anything Misty isn't in, I would have done that.

Besides, the only time I EVER directly referenced Misty was in the previous post, and that was just in respons to what Visne Tanrica said about what she did.

Though since you brought up Misty, get ready to rumble.

Ah. Because you have everything to do with Misty. Everything you say has something to do with Misty. Always.

And I cannot prove if your viewpoint would have changed if Misty did contests. I can only think that, because of how you act. So would you be hatin' on Misty like you do on May and Dawn ..just because they're somehow the 'TOTAL MOTHERLY/CLEANING' stereotype? According to you, any chick that does contests fits in that category, for a reason I cannot even wonder why.

Of course you wouldn't bash Ash's leagues. Cause he wasn't a girl who 'replaced' Misty, ehehe. ;3

Yes, I have found reason to believe this. I actually noticed this ever since I saw how most of the main girls, even Marina and Jessie, now have to do Pokemon Contests, thus making Gyms seem like it's only a boys thing now. Heck, as I noticed, Brock and Ash never got replaced when Misty did.

As for the reason why I think Contests have ties to that. It's simple, it's something known as Gender Discrimination. I have been opposed to this sort of thing since I first bore witness to it. It's like how in Beauty and the Beast, the males seemed to actually have jobs whileas the only thing the girls seemed to do were basically make babies, be the mens toy, and nothing else, or how Gaston has stated that Women should never read or anything like that.

Actually. Misty never got 'replaced'. She went off to do her 'goal', to become the best WATER trainer ..and being the water gym leader seems like a pretty way for her to go off.

LMAO. I still don't see how contests have ANYTHING to do with chicks making babies. WTH. Really ..how do you get that from this? You have one strange mixing mind.

He may not mind them, but he certainly doesn't enjoy them either. In order for him to actually enjoy it, he would actually do contests in a far more regular manner than he is currently and actually express an intrest (he only did three Pokemon Contests. One was in May's final appearance just so he can have something to do to kill time, the second was for Aipom's sake, and the third time was just to help train Buizel in a calibur that it can handle [he even expressed that he does NOT desire to be a coordinator, and that Aipom was a special case in the episode where he met Kenny.].).

Oh, Ash obviously enjoys contests. He wouldn't have entered so many if he didn't. Of course his dream isn't to become a coordinator, since he's already set on being the greatest Poke master ..which is to fight in gyms.
But, oh, he does enjoy contests.

Misty had a goal. It was to be the world's greatest Water Pokemon Master, and it was certainly more of a goal than Brock's breeder goal, seeing how unlike Brock's goal, her goal to be a WPM was actually focused on, and did FAR more than just follow Ash around. Even IF she didn't any sort of goal at all, that has absolutely nothing to do with my hatred of May, Dawn, and Pokemon Contests. My hate for May and Dawn is because they are sexist stereotypes. If Misty was still on the Show, had what you would call an actual goal, and they became a member of the main cast, and they still acted the way they did, I still would have hated them, regardless of whether they themselves had an actual goal or not.

Nah. I think you're just mad because Misty isn't on the show anymore. Not because May and Dawn SOMEHOW in your mind, are sexist stereotypes. What is this. >> I don't even see the point. Your arguments are obviously coming from your anger of Misty not being on the cast anymore. Get over it. seriously. I LOVE May ..but I'm not hatin' on Dawn because she took over. A little immature don't cha think?

 

[Vernikova]

I find it funny that a male from the main cast will never focus Pokémon Contests like Dawn and May and a main female for Pokémon Gyms.

 

[Nina]

I find it funny that a male from the main cast will never focus Pokémon Contests like Dawn and May and a main female for Pokémon Gyms.

Probably because there is no other main male character besides Ash or Brock, who both already have dreams. And for the sake of not being redundant the token female does something else, namely contests.

 

[Vernikova]

Probably because there is no other main male character besides Ash or Brock, who both already have dreams. And for the sake of not being redundant the token female does something else, namely contests.

What? I was making a remark. I already know that a someone like Ash, Tracey, or Brock will never participate full-time in Pokémon Contests because they're not girls.

 

[Haza]

Recently Contests have outshined Gym battles by far. Gyms have gotten kind of boring since the beginning of the DP series.

 

[Azumi]

...darn it, is there a "both" choice?

Sure, I am interested in anime contests because not only can you can show your Pokemon's beauty, but there is the battle round where all attacks do something to your points, and that means more strategy.
But when it comes to pummelling Pokemon with all you got, I'll have to say gyms.

It may be confusing, how I speak, but in short, I'm neutral. D:

 

[Air Pichu]

I like gyms better......there more "exciting".

 

[Mew~]

Ive seen alot of this already on the thread... you dont need to be a girl to watch the contests... and im straight too...

 

[XxDawnfanxX]

I think contests are cool but I perfer Gym's much more. I would prefer to go around being a pokemon trainer and earning badges and entering the pokemon league. that would just be my personal opinion on an exciting journey.

 

[.Eevee-Chan]

Probably contest for me since i'm into pretty appeals ;3

 

[Rizuza]

Both seem pretty appealing :)

But I think Gyms win it for me. The battles are just too intense!
(But Contests do come to a close second. The pretty effects are so cute ♥)

 

[DestinyBender]

Heh. I have never been a fan of Contests, I mush prefer blood-boiling, heart-pumping gyms.

^_~ Maybe I exaggerated a bit.

 

[ArcanineOod]

I prefer contests if they have Harley in them ;]
In all seriousness, though, I prefer Gyms. The outcome of them just seems so much more important. Contests are a bit too much about making your Pokemon look pretty instead of about their power... I dunno, but I just prefer Gyms. =3

xX

 

[JezzaRules]

Animewise, contests are more interesting but gamewise, I prefer gym battles.