COULD THIS BE THE ULTIMATE TEAM????!

aragornbird said:
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If you have such confidence in your team, it would be nice if you could go through a counters list for us.

Slowbro
Gengar
Weezing
Starmie
Gyarados
Aerodactyl
Dragonite
Heracross
Skarmory
Donphan
Blissey
Suicune
Raikou
Swampert
Breloom
Salamence
Metagross
Jirachi
Infernape
Bronzong
Garchomp
Lucario
Hippowdon
Weavile
Magnezone
Rhyperior
Tangrowth
Electivire
Togekiss
Gliscor
Porygon-Z
Dusknoir
Azelf
Heatran
Cresselia

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Ok...

Here are the counters for that list:

- Note that stealth rock is a given on anyone weak to rock.
- The spamming-Intimidate strategy would only work if Stealth rock is not laid down.

Slowbro - Gyarados w/ Taunt
Gengar - Jirachi
Weezing - Jirachi, Specsmence
Starmie - Blissey
Gyarados - Tough one here...I could keep switching in Salamence & gyarados on it to spam intimidate on it...and of course Stealth Rock.

Aerodactyl - Skarmory
Dragonite - Blissey, Jirachi, & Skarmory for DD variants and Salamence for non-DD variants.

Heracross - Jirachi for Choice Band variants. Gyarados & Salamence for others.

Skarmory - Gyarados w/ Taunt, Salamence, and Electivire.
Donphan - Gyarados
Blissey - Gyarados w/ Taunt and Electivire.
Suicune - Electivire & Gyarados w/ Taunt (most Suicune don't have HP electric unless they're hacked. It's extremely hard for a legendary to get the best hidden power with the right power and type.)

Raikou - Electivire & blissey.
Swampert - Blissey & maybe good prediction.
Breloom - Skarmory to whirlwind away subs. Also any super effective attacks can kill it OHKO.

Salamence - My spam-Intimidate strategy on physical variants. Blissey for special variants. Most people don't use mixed sweeper Salamence.

Metagross - Skarmory. Electivire to absorb thunderpunch. Salamence w/ flamethrower.

Jirachi - Earthquake. Skarmory walls it.
Infernape - Salamence. Maybe Jirachi for Infernapes with low speed IVs.

Bronzong - Gyarados
Garchomp - Skarmory and Salamence.
Lucario - Gyarados and Salamence and Skarmory.
Hippowdon - Gyarados and Salamence.
Weavile - Gyarados and Skarmory.
Magnezone - Blissey and Electivire.
Rhyperior - Skarmory and spamming Intimidate.
Tangrowth - Skarmory and Salamence.
Electivire - Electivire
Togekiss - Electivire
Gliscor - Gyarados. Skarmory for Taunt-less Gliscors.
Porygon-z - Blissey and basically anything faster than it.
Dusknoir - Umm....I don't consider it a threat.
Azelf - Blissey
Heatran - Gyarados
Cresselia - Blissey & maybe Jirachi w/ Uturn? lol
 
Nasty Plot Azelf and Porygon-Z threaten to destroy your entire team (including Blissey).
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Blissey can just put them to sleep.
 
Don't double post, use edit. Anyways, Both are faser and if they have already powered up lots, blissey will go down.
 
Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 said:
Don't double post, use edit. Anyways, Both are faser and if they have already powered up lots, blissey will go down.
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There's no sane person who would just let these two powerhouses just power up with nasty plot like that. At least not more than one time.

trust me, I had an azelf on my last team and it never got more than one nasty plot in competition.
 
Even with one nasty plot it would still put a decent dent in blissey. Nothing spectacular, but it would hurt a little. Besides, whoever posted about how the nasty plot azelf could run through the entire team forgot one thing. If blissey came out, you could always switch to a CBsweeper and take out bliss in no time. Then azelf or who could come back out after that physical fainted could power up again and smash the team. There are also six pokemon on a team (duh), not only the two I just mentioned. That is the team's weakness.
 
Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 said:
Even with one nasty plot it would still put a decent dent in blissey. Nothing spectacular, but it would hurt a little. Besides, whoever posted about how the nasty plot azelf could run through the entire team forgot one thing. If blissey came out, you could always switch to a CBsweeper and take out bliss in no time. Then azelf or who could come back out after that physical fainted could power up again and smash the team. There are also six pokemon on a team (duh), not only the two I just mentioned. That is the team's weakness.
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If the opponent decides to kill my Blissey with a physical sweeper. It'll maybe get hit by Sing. If Sing doesn't connect, I'll just switch in a counter to that physical sweeper. You see, the big four of my team (salamence, gyarados, jirachi, and electivire) got each others backs. And in your example, in this case, a Choice Bander, I would just force a lockdown of that pokemon to an undesired move and it'll be forced to switch out.
 
Forced to switch to something that could KO your current pokemon. It's not like it matters too much anyways...Every team has a weakness, this happens to be yours. That's exactly why there is no such thing as "The Ultimate Team."
 
Maybe it's not the perfect team, but it does cover most bases right?

About azelf, most azelfs have Thunderbolt. I can just lure a thunderbolt and have it hit Electivire.

About porygonz, the big 4 pokemon of my team are all faster than it, so it should be easily taken care of?
 
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diaoman said:
Maybe it's not the perfect team, but it does cover most bases right?

If it has (a) weakness(es), doesn't it mean it's weak and not battle ready? Should I go back to the drawing board on this?
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Nobody said your team was weak. They were just trying to beat down that whole "ultimate team" idea.
 
It is actually a very solid team. Like I said, every team has some kind of kink. If there was an ultimate team wouldn't everyone use it? I actually think your team is quite good. It's like have a team of electric types that cover all the roles. You have a glaring weakness, no other weaknesses that are major or anything. My team would be lucky if it was anywhere close to this. It's that bad. That's why I'm at PC. I'd keep this team.
 
cool thanks for your opinions
 
Always happy to help. You should see my threads. It would make it clear to you how good your team is.
 
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