Creative moveset/ev spread thread.

[Matt-O]

I have field testing to back me up. Maybe my opponents all get like minimum damage or something but he definately has live hits. Perhaps the DD Dos does KO faster than I posted, that battle was a while ago. He still takes hits like a champ.

 

[Postman]

Max Attack Heracross will ALWAYS 2hko your Cradily.

Golduck @ Focus Sash
252 Speed, 104 Attack, 152 Special Attack
Hasty
Cloud Nine
- Counter
- Hypnosis
- Hydro Pump
- Cross Chop

This is my lead Golduck. With Cloud Nine weather leads are ruined (Tyranitar,Abomasnow) and it also helps with keeping Golducks Focus Sash. Counter OHKOs Tyranitar while Cross Chop and Hydro Pump 2hko. You also have the option Protect over Cross Chop if you worried about Explosion but you have to predict right. Also with Protect you won't need Attack EVs and can go 252 Special Attack and 252 Speed. You have to watch out for Fake out and faster Hypnosis Pokemon.

 

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Electivire @ Focus Sash
Jolly
252 Att/252 Spe/6 HP
Counter
Thief/Earthquake
Protect/Toxic
Thunderpunch

Not a gimmick, it works quite well. With no SR or Spikes, it'll scare things like Gyarados away, meaning you can Thief and steal an opponents Item (Note: Only use Thief is your Sash has been ruined). Protect or Toxic is a choice of if you want to scout or just status your enemy. This'll beat so many things one on one it's not funny ^__^

Electivire @ Leftovers
Jolly
252 Att/252 Spe/6 HP
Focus Punch
Ice Punch
Thunderpunch
Substitute

SubPunch Vire is fuuuuun. Ice/Ground/Electric hit main threats in OU for super effective; Gyarados, Salamence, Tyranitar, Garchomp, Dragonite, Celebi, heck even Suicune. HP Ice could be used, but you'd need to tweak the EVs.

 

[Syaoran]

Ive seen similar sets to this and it works great, although sometimes they have Spikes as a form of "UU Suicide lead".




Oh yeah, this is a nice set too.


Raikou@Leftovers / Light Clay / Shed Shell
128 HP / 56 Sp.A / 172 Sp.D / 152 Speed
Timid Nature
- Discharge
- Toxic
- Reflect
- Light Screen / Roar

Support Raikou. Discharge provides paralysis support whilst Toxic shuts down Swampert and common switch ins. Can PHaze in a pinch, however 8 turn light screen and reflect with Light Clay is awesome. Shed Shell allows it to escape dugtrio. Hidden power Ice can go in the last slot if you want better coverage (and to hit Garchomp and dragons etc)

Evs let you outrun Jolly Garchomp, however one may opt for a significantly bulkier spread with more hp and def and a + def or sp.def nature (which i may get around to doing=p).

Why exactly do you need to outrun Jolly Garchomp for? So he could, uhh, Earthquake Raikou into oblivion after using Toxic or "Reflect"? HP Ice would be fitting if you care that much about outrunning Garchomp, but even that doesn't OHKO it and you'll lose your Raikou.

 

[Valarauca]

seeing as vance didn't post my brain child (the red headed step child that the UPS man dropped off at my door, and said it was mine and i felt morally obligated to hush up)

Failvire @ expert belt, leftovers
lax
Ev: 176 att, 252 def, 82 spe
~ ice punch
~ thunder punch
~ cross chop/fire punch/earthquake
~ cross chop/fire punch/earthquake
Ok, he is kind of werid, it's built to survive a gliscor's earthquake, then ko it with ice punch, and it works, you can switch into a gliscor's EQ, then ko it with ice punch. It's fairly powerful thunderpunch deals with skarmory (2hko), cross chop gets blissey, earthquake gives you fairly steady damage it you don't lke fire punch, and fire punch lets you deal with steels like umm magenzone which might give you trouble. This set works good on paper, but it is walled by cresselia like its the f*** berlin wall. It's biggest problem is that it 2hko's and has no way of healing itself, it if had like recover and suckerpunch/nightslash/shadow claw it would be amazing... but its not...

 

[Romo_Owens]

Weavile@Expert Belt
Jolly nature
38 EVs HP/252 Atk/220 Spe
~Ice Punch
~Pursuit
~Night Slash
~Brick Break
The standart Weavile for opening the battle, but with a nasty suprise: 1 more speed point to outurn and OHKO opossing Weaviles!

That won't work. The whole point of the 40 hp rather than a straight forward 252/252 set is to allow Weavile to switch into a non nasty plot boosted or choice scarf variant Azelf's flamethrower. If you give it the extra 1 speed and take away the hp, then Azelf can OHKO Weavile, in which case you might as well use a 252/252 set which is what I use and I must say it works great.

Well of course this set will only work if another Pokemon has Rain Dance BUt if you do have Rain Dance support then this could possibly work:

Ludicolo @ Choice Specs
252 HP/252 sp. atk/4 sp. def
Modest
Swift Swim

-Hydro Pump
-Energy Ball/Grass knot
-Ice Beam
-Focus Blast/Hidden Power [Electric]

Ok hear me out before you run in shouting how much of a novelty this is. With Rain Dance Support, Ludicolo would actually make a pretty good surprise special sweeper. a 90 special attack, while no superb isn't anything to laugh at either. Even with no speed investment, Ludicolo, backed by Rain will out run anything up to and including a Jolly Jolteon. Water and Grass have superb type coverage plus water gets a rain dance boost and Ice beam is there for type coverage, whether you want Energy Ball or Grass knot is up to you and the last slot is really a filler and Focus Blast is there for the type coverage and Hidden Power [Electric] is for Gyarados.

 

[Aurafire]

I've never actually seen a Clefable in battle but I've seen some movesets for it, none of which contain cosmic power...

Clefable @ leftovers
Bold/Calm
Magic Guard
252 HP, 152 Def, 104 Sp Def

~Cosmic power
~Softboiled
~Toxic
~ T-bolt/Ice beam/Flamethrower/Seismic toss

Switch on any number of moves...ghost, weak sp attack, status. Cosmic power as much as you can then softboil the damage off. Once you're satisfied, use toxic or anyone of those special attack stats or seismic toss to inflict damage.

Might be a little hard to set up, probably more useful in UU....thoughts?

 

[Aquilae]

Heracross @ Leftovers
Guts
Impish, 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Stone Edge
Close Combat / Brick Break
Rest
Sleep Talk

Lucario / Heracross counter, moves are pretty much self-explanatory, with Guts its offense is boosted and with its excellent typing it pretty much resists almost everything Luke / Hera can throw at it.

Brick Break has dismal power, so I don't really feel it should be an option despite Close Combat lowering your defenses. CC also makes this Hera harder to wall (Guts + STAB + 120 power = ?)

 

[Skip Shot]

The most annoying set ever:

Gardevoir(F) @ Leftovers
Calm/Timid Nature
252 Spe/ 252 Spd/ 6 Spa or 252 Spe/ 6 spa/ 132 Def/ 120 Def

Confuse Ray
Thunder Wave
Attract
Psychic/ Charge Beam/ Shadow Ball/ HP Fighting

The parafusiontracter is extremely annoying imo. Confuse Ray and T-Wave for the classic parafusion combo, while attract extremely annoys everyone, since no one cares about genders anymore. What's even better is that if its not Metagross or another non-gender coming in, chances are its male, giving Gardy anoher chance to ruin a team. The final slot can basically have any special attack in it, a few good suggestions are put up. The nature is up to you, Calm to take more hits, or timid for more speed, ensuring the T-Wave, C-Ray or attract makes contact.

 

[sims796]

That won't work. The whole point of the 40 hp rather than a straight forward 252/252 set is to allow Weavile to switch into a non nasty plot boosted or choice scarf variant Azelf's flamethrower. If you give it the extra 1 speed and take away the hp, then Azelf can OHKO Weavile, in which case you might as well use a 252/252 set which is what I use and I must say it works great.

Well of course this set will only work if another Pokemon has Rain Dance BUt if you do have Rain Dance support then this could possibly work:

Ludicolo @ Choice Specs
252 HP/252 sp. atk/4 sp. def
Modest
Swift Swim

-Hydro Pump
-Energy Ball/Grass knot
-Ice Beam
-Focus Blast/Hidden Power [Electric]

Ok hear me out before you run in shouting how much of a novelty this is. With Rain Dance Support, Ludicolo would actually make a pretty good surprise special sweeper. a 90 special attack, while no superb isn't anything to laugh at either. Even with no speed investment, Ludicolo, backed by Rain will out run anything up to and including a Jolly Jolteon. Water and Grass have superb type coverage plus water gets a rain dance boost and Ice beam is there for type coverage, whether you want Energy Ball or Grass knot is up to you and the last slot is really a filler and Focus Blast is there for the type coverage and Hidden Power [Electric] is for Gyarados.

? It needs speed investments to even think about outspeeding Jolteon. It can't even outspeed a neutral natured Jolteon (with max speed). Ludicolo is still pretty speedy, though.

 

[Ársa]

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[SET]
Name: Rollout+Defense Curl
Move 1: Defense Curl
Move 2: Rollout
Move 3: Substitute
Move 4: Waterfall/Return/Quick Attack
Item: Liechi Berry
Nature: Adamant
EV's: 52 HP / 252 Atk / 204 Spe
Ability: Simple

[SET COMMENTS]
Bibarel has an amazing set of abilities that can be taken advantage of. Bibarel isn't normally thought as a physical powerhouse, but this set is designed to take advantage of the often overlooked Simple trait.

Defense Curl doubles the power of Rollout, but also increases Bibarel's defense by 2 stages due to Simple. This is essentially a double positive, allowing Bibarel to hit harder while keeping it around longer. The HP EV's max at 312, meaning only 3 substitutes are needed to activate the Liechi Berry, giving a +2 boost in attack. 229 Spe (204 EV's) outspeeds +natured base 55 pokemon by a point.

The final slot is preference. Waterfall is the obligatory STAB move, and also works well against Steel and Ground type pokemon who resist Rock. Similarly, Return provides STAB, albeit without the Steel and Ground coverage. Quick Attack is mentioned because of Bibarel's lackluster speed. With the +2 Atk boost, Quick Attack becomes a potent base 60 priority attack, perfect for late game sweeping or backing up Rollout damage. Focus Punch can be considered if Subpunching is your thing, but STAB moves should be the main focus on this set.

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[SET]
Name: Choice Specs Tangrowth
Move 1: Leaf Storm
Move 2: Focus Blast
Move 3: Hidden Power Fire
Move 4: Ancientpower
Item: Choice Specs
Nature: Modest
EV's: 20 HP / 252 Def / 236 SpA

[SET COMMENTS]
Choice Specs Tangrowth is meant to be used as a bulky sweeper, similar in fashion to that of Suicune. The main attraction of this set is it's ability to counter Garchomp effectively.

Leaf Storm is the move of choice here, OHKO'ing Garchomp, Suicune and Bulky Gyarados 92.31% of the time with Stealth Rock support. Also, Leaf Storm 2HKO's Bulky Gyarados after the Special Attack drop 100% of the time, while it will only ever 4HKO Tangrowth in return with Ice Fang, assuming it rolls maximum damage every turn. Tyranitar is OHKO'd easily by Focus Blast, while Tyranitar 3HKO's with Crunch. Metagross, Celebi, Bronzong are all defeated 1 on 1 easily.

With the given EV's, Tangrowth is only 3HKO'd by +0 Jolly/Adamant Garchomp Outrage. Ancientpower is mainly filler, but it does easily 2HKO Salamence and Dragonite.

Running 92 Spe EV's outspeeds minimum speed Tyranitar, which can be handy. The extra bulkiness is preferred on the set however.

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[SET]
Name: Subpunch Magmortar
Move 1: Substitute
Move 2: Focus Punch
Move 3: Fire Blast
Move 4: Thunderbolt
Item: Expert Belt
Nature: Lonely
EVs: 192 Att / 216 SpA / 100 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
This set is built to deal with Magmortar's usual counters in Blissey and Snorlax, but can also sweep effectively. It has great potential, and isn't hindered by it's lower base speed like the other Magmortar sets.

301 Attack is required to OHKO the standard 252 Def / 80 SpA / 176 SpD Calm Blissey. Focus Punch also does significant damage on Bold Blissey and Snorlax, enough for Magmortar to KO them with Fire Blast / Thunderbolt most of the time. 227 Speed is needed to outspeed Gliscor.

Fire Blast is preferred over both Lava Plume and Flamethrower as it grants Magmortar a higher chance of KOing Bold Blissey after it has been hit with Focus Punch. Thunderbolt lets Magmortar deal with Bulky Waters, OHKOing Gyarados as well as having a high chance of 2HKOing Suicune and Vaporeon.

Hidden Power Grass is an option over Thunderbolt for Swampert, but you then lose the ability to deal with Gyarados and other Bulky Waters effectively. The same goes for Hidden Power Ice, which is Magmortar's only way of dealing with Salamence and Garchomp apart from Will-o-Wisp, which this set doesn't utilize. Lava Plume or Flamethrower can be used in place of Fire Blast for the extra accuracy. However, they are not recommended as this hinders Magmortar's ability to deal with Bold Blissey, as stated previously.

192 Att / 160 SpA / 152 Spe is required to outspeed Adamant Breloom and max +Natured Abomasnow. This removes the chance of 2HKO'ing Bold Blissey mentioned previously in the analysis, so decide on which is more effective for you.

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[SET]
Name: Anti-Lead Lopunny
Move 1: Fake Out
Move 2: Magic Coat/Encore
Move 3: Ice Punch/Return/Low Kick
Move 4: Charm/Thunder Wave/Encore
Item: Focus Sash/Lum Berry
Ability: Cute Charm
Nature: Jolly
EV's: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
With the increasing number of Suicide leads, Lopunny does make a fairly decent choice. It's higher than average speed and weakness to only 1 type, coupled with a wide array of supporting moves, gives Lopunny many options to shoot for.

Fake Out is pretty self explanitory, it counters those Focus Sash leads like Aerodactyl, Azelf and Deoxys-E. Magic Coat is often overlooked on Lopunny, but can cause headaches for Gengar, Roserade and Bronzong leads who commonly try to sleep their opponents. The list of attacking moves is there for coverage. Ice Punch lands Salamence in hot water, who is outsped. Return is for STAB and your best option vs the above Azelf and Deoxys. Both will normally try to Taunt you after you Fake Out, so you can use that to your advantage and score a 2HKO. Low Kick OHKO's Tyranitar and also works wonders against the likes of Snorlax, should you find yourself in that situation.

Thunder Wave is pretty easy to understand, as is Encore. Charm is there mainly for the physical leads, so you can possibly scout Choice items without dying, assuming you aren't weak to said move.

~T_S

 

[Walrein]

That won't work. The whole point of the 40 hp rather than a straight forward 252/252 set is to allow Weavile to switch into a non nasty plot boosted or choice scarf variant Azelf's flamethrower. If you give it the extra 1 speed and take away the hp, then Azelf can OHKO Weavile, in which case you might as well use a 252/252 set which is what I use and I must say it works great.

Well of course this set will only work if another Pokemon has Rain Dance BUt if you do have Rain Dance support then this could possibly work:

Ludicolo @ Choice Specs
252 HP/252 sp. atk/4 sp. def
Modest
Swift Swim

-Hydro Pump
-Energy Ball/Grass knot
-Ice Beam
-Focus Blast/Hidden Power [Electric]

Ok hear me out before you run in shouting how much of a novelty this is. With Rain Dance Support, Ludicolo would actually make a pretty good surprise special sweeper. a 90 special attack, while no superb isn't anything to laugh at either. Even with no speed investment, Ludicolo, backed by Rain will out run anything up to and including a Jolly Jolteon. Water and Grass have superb type coverage plus water gets a rain dance boost and Ice beam is there for type coverage, whether you want Energy Ball or Grass knot is up to you and the last slot is really a filler and Focus Blast is there for the type coverage and Hidden Power [Electric] is for Gyarados.

The 40 HP EVs also give Weavile the ability to survive Flamethrowers from Azelf. 349 Special Attack Azelf does 80–94% to Weavile and he even has a slim chance of surviving if Azelf has Expert Belt (96–100%).

One less HP point won't change much. I could still be OHKO by Expert Belt and will still survive a non-EB one.
Oh, and this Weavile is supposed to open the battle.

 

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Vaporeon @ Leftovers
Modest
(EV's need work)
Fake Tears
Surf
Substitute
HP Electric/Wish

Basically meant to kill Blissey. Invest enough HP to reach the magic number of 404, and put the rest in SpA and Def. Fake Tears can count as a +2 raise in SpA, meaning that Vaporeon can beat Blissey very, very quickly. She can't break your sub, and does lol damage with anything else bar Tbolt (which is rare)

 

[sims796]

I'm sorry, Froslass, but giving it one little extra point in HP doesn't constitute a "creative moveset". Seriously, I do the exact same thing when I screw up on EV training, or imput the wrong code in shoddy. It's the exact same moveset, but here's the catch - a very slight change in the EVs!

 

[Walrein]

That was one, okay, delete that post if you don't like it...
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Spoiler:

Wigglytuff@Leftovers
Bold nature
92 EVs HP/130 Def/118 SpA/170 SpD
~Wish
~Hyper Voice/Ice Beam
~Shadow Ball/Thunderbolt
~Snatch
While this looks like an simple Wiggly set, this may be deadly. So Porygon2 is preparing itself for statuses? Snatch that Magic Coat! Any pokemon trying to setup in front of Wigglytuff? Catch it's CMs and make it run.

 

[sims796]

Sorry again, not to counter post, but Wigglytuff is far too frail. Sure, you snatched a Calm Mind. So rather than Charge up, they'll just take Wiggly out. She is pretty retarded offensivley, and she ain't gonna scare anyone away.

 

[Walrein]

Sorry again, not to counter post, but Wigglytuff is far too frail. Sure, you snatched a Calm Mind. So rather than Charge up, they'll just take Wiggly out. She is pretty retarded offensivley, and she ain't gonna scare anyone away.

Just because you think the pokemon itself is bad doesn't make the moveset bad.

 

[revelp8]

i would like to try my hand at this

anti-leader salamence
salamence @ focus sash
adamant
252 atk/252 spe/6 sp atk
DD
Dragon claw
EQ
Fire Blast

well, i see that its not much different than DDmence set from smogon, but i did tweak the evs to ensure max from dragon dance. other salamences are much more bulkier than this one for obvious reasons, but this one can do some damage against some leads. beware of priority moves and weather changes.

 

[AluminumKnight]

i would like to try my hand at this

anti-leader salamence
salamence @ focus sash
adamant
252 atk/252 spe/6 sp atk
DD
Dragon claw
EQ
Fire Blast

well, i see that its not much different than DDmence set from smogon, but i did tweak the evs to ensure max from dragon dance. other salamences are much more bulkier than this one for obvious reasons, but this one can do some damage against some leads. beware of priority moves and weather changes.

Pretty close to the same case as before. Just a slight tweak to the EVs is all you did...

Here's the specs Vaporeon I've been using. Working well so far. I use it to kill bulky waters, dragons, and to surprise on other things.

Vaporeon @Choice Specs
Bold: Water Absorb
188 HP/252 Def/70 SpA
Ice Beam
Surf
HP Electric
Wish

 

[sims796]

Just because you think the pokemon itself is bad doesn't make the moveset bad.

But if the pokemon can't use the moveset well, it's bad. Wigglytuff doesn't benifit from any sort of stat boost other than defense. She is very frail as it is. That takes far too much prediction to use, with no real benifits. I do love Wigglytuff, i see potential, but stealing a CM - or should I say, maybe stealing a CM- won't help her, as she will get beaten next turn.

Dragon Dance, Outrage, Fire Blast, & Earthquake is a very good movepool. On Dragonite. Ttar can use it, but doesn't do it well.