Detailed Sleep Clause Ruling

[Wallaby Vonwise]

So, I only ask this question as I've seen conflicting answers in several places, for example a few rulings on allexperts under the pokemon section. In regards to a post made in 2006, concerning the sleep infliction - I was wondering if this was a legitimate ruling, and if yes, if it was still applicable in the TCG under the current rulings. The rule book does clearly state that a flip between each players turn is required to see if the pokemon is awake. My question applied to a specific scenario is, for instance an undaunted Leafeon using Soothing Scent, that inflicts sleep without a coin flip for success. Does this mean that after declaring the attack, adding the damage and inflicting sleep on the defending pokemon, does that player then flip before their turn, and after their turn to see if their pokemon wakes up or does this mean that the sleep clause having just been inflicted as a result of the end of the attacking player's turn, not require a flip until the end of the defending players turn? But from there on acting in a normal fashion and requiring a sleep in between both players turn, the stipulation applying to the actual inflicting of sleep with the end of a turn.

 

[donavannj]

If there is a sleeping Pokemon, you flip between ALL turns while it is asleep. It does not matter if an attack does not require a coin flip to put a Pokemon to sleep. You still flip between ALL turns.

 

[Wallaby Vonwise]

If there is a sleeping Pokemon, you flip between ALL turns while it is asleep. It does not matter if an attack does not require a coin flip to put a Pokemon to sleep. You still flip between ALL turns.

Thank you very much... This stipulation lead to an oddly heated debate just now, so I do appreciate it!

 

[Chlobo-Jester]

Haha, this is why I go for paralysis > Sleep.

 

[donavannj]

Haha, this is why I go for paralysis > Sleep.

The whole reason it's structured this way is that sleep was so powerful initially in the Japanese game. They had to make it this way so sleep wouldn't be as powerful.

 

[Chlobo-Jester]

So what was sleep like in the Japanese game?

 

[donavannj]

From what I understand, it was a coin flip only after the player with the sleeping Pokemon did his turn.

 

[Chlobo-Jester]

Hmm... I don't think that sounds too bad. I never thought that sleep was worth it in the English, with some pokemon it can take two flips to get the pokemon asleep on its turn...

 

[donavannj]

The thing is, sleep completely dominated in Japan because of Pokemon who would constantly put a Pokemon to sleep automatically and then be able to do damage next turn because there was only 1 chance, not two, for the sleeping Pokemon to wake up, like the Base Set Haunter.

 

[Chlobo-Jester]

That would probably explain why Base set Haunter wasn't too popular in English too...

...with only 1/4 chance of attacking.