4th Gen Dialga or Palkia

[sims796]

I go for Dialgia. It doesn't matter how they do seperatly, it's how they work in a team. A team has 6, not one. To me, Dialgia can kind work as a tank with his many resistances.

 

[umbros]

I'll take Dialga any day. Thank you, Hoshiko, for mentioning Kingdra. Dialga is actually a creative type combo that's, believe it or not, hard to counter. You have to look at how to counter the two of them. If you're looking to counter Palkia, not really hard. A pretty big handful of pokemon learn outrage, and any of them given a choice band (particularly Garchomp) would probably be able to OHKO a Palkia. If you look at other moves, you're looking for dragon moves that are physical, because Palkia's defense is lower than special defense. That still leaves the incredibly common dragon claw, and the less commonly used dragon rush, and I'm probably forgetting something. Dialga has the two weaknesses to deal with, but they're primarily physical attacking types (ground and fighting). Fighting the only move you really have to worry about is aura sphere, because focus blast is so inaccurate, though more common. And ground? Who's actually going to use a special attacking ground move other than Earth power? So, after all of that applies, you have about the same amount of moves that'll be hurting you a lot. NOW apply the resistances. Palkia's not so appealing anymore.

 

[Smarties-chan]

Palkia? No thanks, I already have Kingdra. Original as it may be, there is still one other pokemon that's Water/Dragon and has balanced stats. Kingdra owns both statwise without having a disadvantage in any stat(correct me if I'm wrong, but he has equal base stats in just about anything)

Why does it matter that Kingdra's stats are balanced when Palkia still beats Kingdra in every stat? Let's compare the base stats:

Kingdra

HP - 75
Attack - 95
Defense - 95
Special Attack - 95
Special Defense - 95
Speed - 85

Palkia

HP - 90
Attack - 120
Defense - 100
Special Attack - 150
Special Defense - 120
Speed - 100

don't get me wrong, though, I'd use Kingdra over Palkia any day. I'm not too fond of ubers.

But this isn't about Kingdra. It's about Dialga or Palkia. As I already said, Dialga, but I forgot to put an actual decent reason. Hyper beam moves may suck, but they can be extremely useful. Haven't you noticed that it's sometimes worth it to sacrifice one turn? Spacial rend? No thanks, I already have other critical hit moves. Leaf Blade, Night Slash, and others with higher PP. Plus, critical hits are starting to grow overrated. Note that it's just luck, and not anything else. Plus, Palkia sucks..cause..the ones I battled on PBR, really..just..surprise me to no end. D:

There are very few cases when it's worth sacrificing a turn from a Hyper Beam-like move. It just allows the next Pokémon sent in to obliterate Dialga or set up with Swords Dance, Stealth Rock, Nasty Plot etc while you can't do a thing. Really, if you don't want to go with the lower power from Dragon Pulse, use Draco Meteor. Even after its Sp.Attack is halved, Draco Meteor will do some major damage and against a good player, Dialga probably won't want to stay in long enough to use another Draco Meteor in the first place. And Spacial Rend isn't really that bad. I'd personally go with Draco Meteor for Palkia as well, but Spacial Rend is still a good move even though its PP sucks, which can be a huge pain in Ubers because everybody and his friends have Pressure in Ubers. That, however, doesn't mean Special Rend isn't better than Roar of Time.

 

[umbros]

And yes, it's a risk when using hyper beam moves, but it can sometimes be worth it cause of the power. Remember, there are some points in which you have to make desperate moves.

I'll agree with that. Sometimes, particularly when you know you'll be knocked out, using a hyper beam move can be similar to using explosion. One last blast before you get wiped out.

 

[beauty. proletariat]

Dialga all the way
EV trained, full in SPD and SP ATK
Hold Choice Specs
Use Roar of Time
= If it Hits =

 

[PokeWarped]

Dialga all the way
EV trained, full in SPD and SP ATK
Hold Choice Specs
Use Roar of Time
= If it Hits =

Palkia has strategies, too.
EV Trained in Sp. Attack
Hold Scope Lens
Use Spacial Rend
If it hits: Probably 200 Damage
No Recharge
Stronger then ROT

 

[Smarties-chan]

Palkia's stats own only because it's an uber. If it wasn't, Kingdra's stats would own it.

Also, what's the point of using Draco meteor when it's going to sharply lower your special attack? And when the special attack itself sucks already? D:

It may be the highest stat of Palkia, but still...

And yes, it's a risk when using hyper beam moves, but it can sometimes be worth it cause of the power. Remember, there are some points in which you have to make desperate moves.

The point of using Draco Meteor is that from 150 base Sp.Attack, even the second hit will deal massive damage or at least enough damage to knock out the target if it managed to survive the first blow. And since Palkia will usually be running Choice Specs with maxed out Special Attack, it can really put a dent into things. And it's not like anyone is going to keep Palkia in when your opponent switches in his/her special wall, paralyzes Palkia and laughs at you. =\

I'll agree with that. Sometimes, particularly when you know you'll be knocked out, using a hyper beam move can be similar to using explosion. One last blast before you get wiped out.

Except Explosion doesn't miss, Hyper Beam and friends do. -.-

Palkia has strategies, too.
EV Trained in Sp. Attack
Hold Scope Lens
Use Spacial Rend
If it hits: Probably 200 Damage
No Recharge
Stronger then ROT

Except Scope Lens is a hax item and therefore generally frowned upon. Not only that, but Choice Specs and Lustrous Orb are much more reliable sources of extra power.

 

[Sacrifar]

i think palkia is way better than Dialga

 

[PokeWarped]

Except Scope Lens is a hax item and therefore generally frowned upon. Not only that, but Choice Specs and Lustrous Orb are much more reliable sources of extra power.

Extra Power? Isn't Scope Lens the item that raises your chance of citical hits? Hmm...

 

[Smarties-chan]

Extra Power? Isn't Scope Lens the item that raises your chance of citical hits? Hmm...

And don't critical hits usually raise power?

 

[PokeWarped]

And don't critical hits usually raise power?

I get your point now. -thinks for a second-
D'oh!

 

[sinnohdexdone]

i got diamond just for the heck of it and regreted it because i think that diamond is better than pearl. the only reason i like diamond is i can catch larvitars

 

[evilcheese]

dialga is awsome and roar of time is better than spacial rend in power

 

[☼Charlie☼]

dialga is awsome and roar of time is better than spacial rend in power

Yes but Roar of Time makes you recharge while Spacial Rend does not.

 

[Sora_8920]

Palkia is waay Better, even though i like Roar of Time, Signature Moves don't really mean much if they aern't Standard.

 

[Luminous_Reaver]

Palkia.

It's pretty awesome.

It's got massive shoulders. That's always been a symbol of masculinity.
Dailga stands on all fours in submission to Palkia's awesome power.

 

[yomokita]

Palkia, he looks much cooler than Dialga. He just looks like a dog...

 

[AztecSunshine]

dialga is waaaaaaay batter than palkia look at him he palkia, he look as said above like godzila lol but look at dialga he look like armored wolf get it now? he is batter

palkia= :< dialga= :>

 

[peabobo's sexy legs]

dialga is awsome and roar of time is better than spacial rend in power

I believe Roar of Time's Base Power is 150 while Spacial Rend's is 100. When you use Roar of Time, however, the power can basically be halved. This puts it at 75. Many moves have higher base power than that; and a few of them are Dragon moves. (Hint hint)

 

[Pocket Monster Researcher Archer]

its not really what they look like, their moves, stats etc which make them better than one another. its how the pokemon makes you feel. personaly i like palkia, i have both. but palkia appeals to me much more.