{Discussion} the Light-type

[Water Pokémon Specialist]

I think that Light and Dark should be super effective against eachother (or indeed NOT very effective against eachother) as otherwise it would mean that Dark is better than light, which taking into consideration that they are complete opposites, and that one cannot truly prevail over the other - they complement eachother like Ying and Yang or even left and right. So therefore, they should be opposites, yet equal!

 

[4th Gen Matt]

I think that Light and Dark should be super effective against eachother (or indeed NOT very effective against eachother) as otherwise it would mean that Dark is better than light, which taking into consideration that they are complete opposites, and that one cannot truly prevail over the other - they complement eachother like Ying and Yang or even left and right. So therefore, they should be opposites, yet equal!

I understand what you mean and it makes sense but the only reason they should add Light in the first place is to make Dark-types less overpowered. They are currently only weak to Bug and Fighting. Neither are seen very commonly but it is so easy for a Dark-type to predict a Close Combat or Megahorn from Heracross and then they will obviously just switch out.

 

[the bitter end.]

Hm... we haven't had a new type since G/S/C, and since they already have a dark type.... I think this is a good idea. (But perhaps they though Psychic was the equivalent to 'light')

 

[Azonic]

If you introduce the Light type it creates an even stronger stereotype towards Dark type Pokemon being evil. Light basically is covered by Electric, Normal and to a lesser extent Psychic. Some will argue that Dark is just like Ghost which, in reality it is, we don't need even more types that don't differ from the current ones, just because we want to create diversity. The current 17 types are good, they cover everything.

Last time I checked, light is a form of energy. Yes, some portions of light is covered by fire and electricity, but not all of it. What about neon lights? I'm pretty sure those glowsticks you wave around don't have fire or electricity. Ultraviolet, too. I mean, you're not going to get sunburned because you stood next to a fireplace too long, or gotten too close to a lightbulb. There are different kinds of light forms, and it's pretty diverse. Chemicals like bioluminescence creates self-emitted light without the requirement of any electricity or fire. How on earth do normal and psychic types create light? Last time I checked, a normal raccoon in your trashcan DID NOT look like a glowing fuzzball. And no one is going to glow because they can read minds. Get your facts straight.

Light is a perfectly good idea for a new type, but I just don't think it is necessary. Adding even more uncontrollable factors to the already imbalanced metagame could result in some wreckage to the game. The metagame is as sloppy as it is already, better not make it worse.

And whoever thinks that dark and dragon types are overpowered are wrong. Dark and dragon type Pokemon are weak against the most common types in the metagame. Ice is extremely common in the metagame, with all the BoltBeamers and mockBoltBeamers going around. As is Fighting, which gives fantastic coverage and usually a very high base powered move. Most usable Dark or Dragon types are dual typed, which gives it even more weaknesses and vulnerability. I mean, the only useable -OU dark Pokemon are Umbreon and Absol, which both see little usage. Dragon types are usually ALWAYS dual typed and carry a denting x4 weakness to Ice.

As far as I know, no certain type owns the metagame like Psychic did in RBY. Light has a good concept, but I definitely can't say it's needed.

 

[BrainWave]

Death to the 'tombz! >=)
I can only the introduction of light-types after there is a ghost/dark non-legendary pokemon that's urber. So far, I don't see sableye or spiritomb as urber.
IMO this is what I had in mind about the type advantage of light-type will be:
Weak to: meh I have no idea......maybe poison
Resists: Ghost, Light, Fighting
Immune to: Dark
Super-effective against: Ghost, Dark
Resisted by: Steel, Light, Ice, Fire
Immune by: none
But I truely would want to see how the overall type advantages changes with light type as a new addition.

 

[fenyx4]

I think Light would be a good addition, mostly for just being the complement of Dark, in this case just the absence of light, as no Pokemon is truly evil, not even Darkrai. If Light causes imbalances, other new types could be added, such as Twilight (which could resist both Light and Dark)...
So, I agree it would be a nice addition to the world of Pokemon (since the # of Psychic-type Pokemon could be reduced) and possibly a great addition for Pokemon battling as well, if Nintendo could balance it out well enough (which I'm sure they can).
Plus, Sableye and Spiritomb can finally have a weakness, even through hacking! :D Every Pokemon having at least one weakness allows a fairer shot in winning a Pokemon battle.

 

[Ninja Caterpie]

We don't need a Light-type. It's covered by Normal, Psychic, Fire and Electric.

Also, saying that Dark and Dragon types are overpowered is by no means an excuse. Because Dragons are overpowered, pretty much every team has a Pokemon with an Ice-type move. Possibly more than one. Fighting types are really common, (How common is 1/3? A whole lot!) and Dark types aren't that common in the first place. So, it might be nice, but it's unneeded. Also, about Spiritomb and Sableye, their stats make up for their typing, as most normal-hit attacks will slay a Sableye. And Fire Fang can hit Wonder Guard now. xD

 

[Azonic]

We don't need a Light-type. It's covered by Normal, Psychic, Fire and Electric.

Have you even read my previous post? How on earth is the Light type covered by Normal types? Normal means having no unusual or abnormal traits and appearing regular or ordinary. No, raccoons will NOT emit a light when they're going through your trash can. I realize that Normal types usually have the ability to use moves from a wide assortment, but it's still not a valid reason. That's like saying fire types shouldn't exist because the normal Pokemon already can shoot fire out of their mouth, so why have a fire type if it's already usable by normal Pokemon.

Same thing with Psychic types. They definitely do not cover light types. Psychic energy =/= Light energy. You won't emit a light when you read a person's mind.

I can admit that fire and electric types do cover A PORTION of the Light type, but by no means does it cover the whole things. Light can be emitted from neon, and explain how that is related to electricity. Light can have different forms, too, like ultraviolet, which neither fire nor electricity produces. Really, you're not going to get sunburned if you stay near a lightbulb for too long or if you sit next to a campfire for too long. Anyways, we can say that Dark types covers the Ghost type, so why not remove those? Because Dark plays and fulfills a role in the game, and fixes a slight flaw.

Light can also be interpreted as a higher being or holiness. Something godly, sacrosanct, etc.

Overall, the light type has a fantastic concept. However, a type can't be added randomly because of it's concept alone, it has to fulfill a certain role or fix a flaw in the game. No type is too dominant as of now. Light is awesome, but unneeded.

 

[Walrein]

I mean, the only useable -OU dark Pokemon are Umbreon and Absol, which both see little usage.

Absol is UU, Umbreon is BL. The only two OU Dark-types are Weavile and Tyranitar (Spiritomb was dropped to BL again for some reason).

 

[Azonic]

Absol is UU, Umbreon is BL. The only two OU Dark-types are Weavile and Tyranitar (Spiritomb was dropped to BL again for some reason).

You didn't notice the - sign before it. OU and below, and I think I'd know that Absol / Umbreon aren't in OU. ._. Umbreon sucks and Absol is too slow and fragile.

 

[Walrein]

You didn't notice the - sign before it. OU and below, and I think I'd know that Absol / Umbreon aren't in OU. ._. Umbreon sucks and Absol is too slow and fragile.

Umbreon doesn't suck-it just has a bad typing. Dark is an offensive type, and Umbreon, with it's weak offensive stats, just can't abuse it.

 

[~Sloth~]

I hope you guys realize the Dark-Type has nothing to do with lack of light. The Japanese and Spanish name for the Dark-Type mean "evil" and "sinister" respectively. Therefore, Dark and Ghost are not necessarily related. Also, for the Light-Type to be the counterpart to Dark, it would have to be more akin a benevolent force than to actual light (which I assume goes against most people's ideas of what the light type would represent). If they made it based on actual light, then it probably wouldn't have any connection to the dark type (then again, it might, half the type matchups don't make sense anyway...)

 

[Azonic]

Umbreon doesn't suck-it just has a bad typing. Dark is an offensive type, and Umbreon, with it's weak offensive stats, just can't abuse it.

What is this crap? You don't classify a type as offensive or defensive. You judge the moves and their effects / coverage. Taunt is a fantastic dark move, and it's not offensive. What point are you trying to make here? This is definitely not the reason why Umbreon sucks. And for the record, if it can't use it's abilities to a necessary / minimum level, it sucks.

Here's the real reason...
Umbreon has fantastic defensive stats, and takes a supereffective hit very well. The fact that it has only minimal potential is the reason why. Umbreon can't do anything on it's own, it just hopes for a ToxicStall or Baton Passes a Mean Look. It's just not threatening at all, and I haven't seen one used in ages.

And if something has bad typing, then their typing sucks. >>;

 

[4th Gen Matt]

What is this crap? You don't classify a type as offensive or defensive. You judge the moves and their effects / coverage. Taunt is a fantastic dark move, and it's not offensive. What point are you trying to make here? This is definitely not the reason why Umbreon sucks. And for the record, if it can't use it's abilities to a necessary / minimum level, it sucks.

Here's the real reason...
Umbreon has fantastic defensive stats, and takes a supereffective hit very well. The fact that it has only minimal potential is the reason why. Umbreon can't do anything on it's own, it just hopes for a ToxicStall or Baton Passes a Mean Look. It's just not threatening at all, and I haven't seen one used in ages.

And if something has bad typing, then their typing sucks. >>;

I believe Umbreon makes a great wall and I have actually seen them used quite often. I have seen 3 in my past 10 OU battles.

 

[JezzaRules]

Iv'e seen many speculations about new types introducted in the next generation, expecially the Light-type. Therefor I decided it would be better to open a thread dedicated to the idea of the light type.
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1) What would the metagame benefit from a new type?
First and formost-more diversity. Apart of that, it can help balance some unbalanced issues, such as giving another resistance to the resistance-lacking Ice-type.
2) What may be bad for the metage from a new type?
The entire reason the Dark and Steel-types were inctoducted was to balance the metagame. The addition of a new type may case inbalance.
3) What should be the type advantages and disadvantages of this type?
That's really the center of the disscustion, but here's my opinion, at least:
Weak to: Dark, Dragon
Resists: Ghost, Electric, Fighting, Light
Immune to: Fire
Super-effective against: Ghost, Fighting
Resisted by: Dark, Ice, Light
Immune by: none
4) What pokemon and moves should be added this type?
Obviously moves such as Flash, Light Screen and Reflect should become Light-typed. Pokemon such as Cresselia should be of the Light-type as well.
Should this type come to existance? Would it be unneaded? Discuss that here.

Ya know, I was thinking the exact same thing as you did only I named this type 'Holy'
And my idea of the type weakness and resistant is different to yours by a bit...

Weak to: Fire, Fighting, Dark
Resists: Poison, Holy
Immune to: Ghost
Super Effective to: Poison, Ghost, Dark
Resisted by: Fighting, Steel, Holy
Immune by: None

Why I reckon it's weak to fire, imagine a burning crucifix (no offense to religion or anything). Dark.. well Holy and Dark oppose each other. Holy is also weak to fighting similar to the way Dark is weak against it.
It's immune to ghost moves and super effective against ghost coz exorcism is related to holy. This ensures that all types have a weakness (hopefully) to make it more fair which renders Sableye and Spiritomb have one weakness like Swampert and Whiscash.
And with your ideas, I dont see how light and dragons are related (lol). I wholeheartly agree that Light Screen, Reflect and Flash should be in the 'Light Class'. I also reckon Luster Purge should be considered into this category as well, and yes Cresselia does seem to bend over to the light type to oppose Darkrai.

 

[.]

I'm sorry, but most of your points are absolutely ridiculous.

1) What would the metagame benefit from a new type?
First and formost-more diversity. Apart of that, it can help balance some unbalanced issues, such as giving another resistance to the resistance-lacking Ice-type.

Why do ice types need a resistance? I smell favoritism.

2) What may be bad for the metage from a new type?
The entire reason the Dark and Steel-types were inctoducted was to balance the metagame. The addition of a new type may case inbalance.

The metagame doesn't need something to balance it. It's fine the way it is. The last thing we need is another Dragon weak type. Dragon is already balanced enough; weak to ice and dragon, super effective against only dragon, and resisted by only dragon.

3) What should be the type advantages and disadvantages of this type?
That's really the center of the disscustion, but here's my opinion, at least:
Weak to: Dark, Dragon
Resists: Ghost, Electric, Fighting, Light
Immune to: Fire
Super-effective against: Ghost, Fighting
Resisted by: Dark, Ice, Light
Immune by: none

Okay, why is it weak to Dark but resists Ghost? Why is it weak to Dragon? Why is it super effective against Fire? Why does Ice resist it? Explanations.

4) What pokemon and moves should be added this type?
Obviously moves such as Flash, Light Screen and Reflect should become Light-typed. Pokemon such as Cresselia should be of the Light-type as well.
Should this type come to existance? Would it be unneaded? Discuss that here.

It is uneeded, to be honest.

 

[JezzaRules]

It is uneeded, to be honest.

It should be needed I reckon to eliminate the Dark/Ghost types 'no weakness' attribute. I have different ideas on what the light type should be strong and weak against.

 

[Sora_8920]

I believe Umbreon makes a great wall and I have actually seen them used quite often. I have seen 3 in my past 10 OU battles.

Define "great" lol. Close Combat weak ftw. =P 3/10 is meh. But yeah, it is seen a few times, it's just that most people don't really use him anymore.

 

[Azonic]

I believe Umbreon makes a great wall and I have actually seen them used quite often. I have seen 3 in my past 10 OU battles.

>:C

I'm really getting tired of this. Umbreon is a terrible wall, with minimal HP and a weakness to Fighting. Fighting is among the most common attacking types in the game. To add onto that, Umbreon is basically set up fodder for status absorbers, especially Steel types. And Umbreon just sits there trying to Toxic that Heracross while it sets up three Swords Dances. It's set up fodder, and it can't do anything but inflict status. It is NOT threatening at all.

And I don't care how many you've seen in your past 10 OU Battles, and I'm doubting the fact that the Umbreons did good. Listen up, I've been battling for a long time already, and I have only see ONE Umbreon in my whole competitive battling career, and guess what? It sucked. It didn't even manage to take out one Pokemon.

I apologize if I sound rude or anything, but it's the truth. Umbreon sucks. Please, do some research before coming to a conclusion.

 

[Walrein]

What is this crap? You don't classify a type as offensive or defensive. You judge the moves and their effects / coverage.

You said it...

I'm really getting tired of this. Umbreon is a terrible wall, with minimal HP and a weakness to Fighting. Fighting is among the most common attacking types in the game.

Immune to: Ghost

Normal-types are already Ghost-immune, therefor it shouldn't by immune to Ghost.

I'm sorry, but most of your points are absolutely ridiculous.

I was just summing some opinions of others.

Why do ice types need a resistance? I smell favoritism.

Because Ice is lacking in resistances.

The metagame doesn't need something to balance it. It's fine the way it is. The last thing we need is another Dragon weak type. Dragon is already balanced enough; weak to ice and dragon, super effective against only dragon, and resisted by only dragon.

Probably. Resisted by Steel.

Okay, why is it weak to Dark but resists Ghost?

To eliminate the "Ghost and Dark have the same coverage" thing.

Why is it weak to Dragon?

So Dragons will be like Ghosts-super-effective against themselfs and another type.

Why is it super effective against Fire?

Not super-effective, immune. That's because you can't really burn light.

Why does Ice resist it?

Because snow reflects light.

Explanations.

Here you go...

It is uneeded, to be honest.

Probably...

Define "great" lol. Close Combat weak ftw. =P 3/10 is meh. But yeah, it is seen a few times, it's just that most people don't really use him anymore.

Exacly.