4th Gen Do you think some kinds of hacking are aceptable?

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Dialga812 said:
WHAT AN ACTION REPLAY AND POKESAV? -_-?<<<SORRY FOR ASKING TOO MUCH QUEATION IM JUST CONFUSED WHAT THEY ARE.....
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lol.. just go to any game store or a store online and search for an action reply for your ds. it's a device for cheats. it will get you through walls if that's what you want lol.
pokesav, you do not really need yet, i'm guessing.
 
Roseliamelia said:
lol.. just go to any game store or a store online and search for an action reply for your ds. it's a device for cheats. it will get you through walls if that's what you want lol.
pokesav, you do not really need yet, i'm guessing.
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BUT I WANNA KNOW WHAT'S AN ACTION REPLAY IS ......IS IT A GAME OR SOMETHING ?:paranoid:
 
kabigon said:
Im sure everyone here agrees that using a hacking device to give a pokemon unfair stats or moves they cant learn just shows that your just a cheater who sucks. But, I believe that as long as your pokemon havent been altered to give them an unfair advantage in a battle, hacking isnt bad. I say hacking to duplicate items, or make an egg hatch faster, and other things like that are not cheating because you arent hacking your actual pokemon to win against other human opponents. So I think hacking pokemon's stats and moves is bad, but otherwise its acceptable. I just wanted to say this because some people are very negative towards hacking even though sometimes its not really cheating.
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I agree, as long as the things can be done without AR then it pretty much should be fine. All it would do is be a faster way to do things.
 
It depends...

Lets say, you want to hack a lavitar because no one will trade you one online and no matter what you do you can't find one...

So, you hack one, and then you breed it for IVs and natures and get a non-hacked lavitar that you can EV train and such

This is acceptable and there are a lot of things in the gray area, but this is an issue that isn't going to get resolved because the best hackers cover-up the fact they hack
 
Kisame said:
It depends...

Lets say, you want to hack a lavitar because no one will trade you one online and no matter what you do you can't find one...

So, you hack one, and then you breed it for IVs and natures and get a non-hacked lavitar that you can EV train and such

This is acceptable and there are a lot of things in the gray area, but this is an issue that isn't going to get resolved because the best hackers cover-up the fact they hack
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I agree with you.

Dialga812 said:
IS IT BAD ON YOUR DS? CAN IT ERASE YOUR GAME :\..........
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It is bad if you use it on a wrong way... The walkthrough code, entering some Mystery Zone may freeze your game or even resets your game....
 
In my opinion, hacking (or cloning) is rarely acceptable, only for TMs and items that can be obtained by restarting another game and transgerring them over.

I only use the cloning glitch in Emerald for TMs. Mainly because I'm tired of restarting my games to get the one off TMs such as Overheat and the expensive battle tower TMs such as Toxic and Calm Mind.I always release the cloned pokemon immediately after I've cloned the TM though.

It saves a hell of a lot of time in the long run. The only problem is I can only transfer 6 a day and have to catch 6 useless pokemon to give the TMs to.

I wish I'd cloned my black Rayquaza before I transferred it though. (I was offered a Timid Darkrai)
 
Err.
There are certain codes used by an AR that the competitive battling scene deems legitimate, such as IV checking, All Items, max money, 99999 BP, and Cloning (How else do you expect us to trade). But any code that modify's any pokemon is ilegitimate imo.

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Kisame said:
It depends...

Lets say, you want to hack a lavitar because no one will trade you one online and no matter what you do you can't find one...

So, you hack one, and then you breed it for IVs and natures and get a non-hacked lavitar that you can EV train and such

This is acceptable and there are a lot of things in the gray area, but this is an issue that isn't going to get resolved because the best hackers cover-up the fact they hack
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Breeding a hacked pokemon with a legit pokemon results in a Bad Egg, thus you cannot hack a pokemon to breed to become legit.
 
Silver said:
Err.
There are certain codes used by an AR that the competitive battling scene deems legitimate, such as IV checking, All Items, max money, 99999 BP, and Cloning (How else do you expect us to trade). But any code that modify's any pokemon is ilegitimate imo.

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Breeding a hacked pokemon with a legit pokemon results in a Bad Egg, thus you cannot hack a pokemon to breed to become legit.
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Yes you can...

You can get a bad egg when you force egg breed
 
All hacking is acceptable when the previous owner of your diamond put in the finish pokedex code before you and never actually went out to catch the legendaries in game
he even left me with ton of masterballs which i won't consider hacking since the pokemon themselves will be legit but not the method to catch them(999mballs)
when i've caught all i want i'll trade them to someone i could trust to hold them start a new game and get them all traded back so i could have two of every legendary in game
 
I reckon hacking is fine unless you want to make uber powerfu pokemon like a wondertomb knowing the 4 most powerful moves in the game and all stats 500. I would accept someone using walk thru walls to get Darkrai etc if they live somewhere which very rarely or never gets events, e.g England & New Zealand
 
I don't really have an issue with any cheats except the ones that make Pokemon stronger than they should be. That's like steriods. I don't mind things that speed processes up. Like fast EV Training and items. It's possible to have your Pokemon EV Trained and it's possible to have 999 of items,it just takes a long time. So hacking to make it not take such a long time to do is something I don't mind. Unless the speading up of things like EV's and IV's go over the 510 and 31 in each stat limits. The things to make ALL stats 31 is kind of unfair though.
 
I believe cheating is only acceptable in a few cases:

Items/TMs: Though I actually play through a game many times to get legit multiple items, I'm not against item hacking. But it does feel worth it when you actually earn the items. Also, if someone accidentally loses a save file with many legit items, then their reason for cheating is justified, as it would be very tedious and annoying to recover all of those items by playing through the game again...

Personally, my 'excuse' for item duplication is that Mr. Stone of Hoenn/RSE, being so rich, 'freely' gives out items that Trainers may need. Or you could just say you conveniently won the lottery! :D

Backup Pokemon: I've lost 2 Pokemon Sapphire carts and 1 Pokemon Emerald save file (the cart dislodged while the game was saving before a Secret Base battle, which erased the file instead of corrupting it like usual :(). All 3 files had many legit Lv.100 Pokemon on them. It wouldn't really be fair to force someone to catch and retrain all of those Pokemon if they've actually done the legit training before (and if some of those Pkmn were from Events). Now, it's unpractical, but if someone wrote down the stats, IVs, nature, etc. of their Pokemon in case they lost their file, they can justifiably reclaim their lost Pokemon using AR or Pokesav if they did happen to lose their file.

Events/Version-Exclusive Pokemon You Somehow Can't Find: You can't really complete the Pokedex without these Pokemon, and not all Trainers have an equal chance to even get them legit from events (i.e., U.S. trainers currently can't get legit Celebi at all, unlike players in Japan) Plus, it's not fair if some people live minutes away from event cities like NYC when others have to travel hundreds of miles just to obtain a few pieces of data that can easily be lost (no offense to Pokemon). But we really wouldn't have to cheat for these event Pkmn if the Pokemon were made available at the game store, or if they were offered on Wi-Fi with certain in-game requirements.
Kisame said:
It depends...

Lets say, you want to hack a lavitar because no one will trade you one online and no matter what you do you can't find one...

So, you hack one, and then you breed it for IVs and natures and get a non-hacked lavitar that you can EV train and such

This is acceptable and there are a lot of things in the gray area, but this is an issue that isn't going to get resolved because the best hackers cover-up the fact they hack
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Lastly, if you can't find/no one's providing you a specific Pokemon, as with Kisame's Larvitar example earlier, then cheating for that is valid as well.

Besides these reasons, cheating simply for things like max stats or illegal abilities and movesets is just wrong.

(Sorry if it seems like I'm rambling or something; just wanted to get my point across!)
 
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fenyx4 said:
I believe cheating is only acceptable in a few cases:



Events/Version-Exclusive Pokemon You Somehow Can't Find: You can't really complete the Pokedex without these Pokemon, and not all Trainers have an equal chance to even get them legit from events (i.e., U.S. trainers currently can't get legit Celebi at all, unlike players in Japan) Plus, it's not fair if some people live minutes away from event cities like NYC when others have to travel hundreds of miles just to obtain a few pieces of data that can easily be lost (no offense to Pokemon). But we really wouldn't have to cheat for these event Pkmn if the Pokemon were made available at the game store, or if they were offered on Wi-Fi with certain in-game requirements.

Lastly, if you can't find/no one's providing you a specific Pokemon, as with Kisame's Larvitar example earlier, then cheating for that is valid as well.

Besides these reasons, cheating simply for things like max stats or illegal abilities and movesets is just wrong.

(Sorry if it seems like I'm rambling or something; just wanted to get my point across!)
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I'm glad i live in NJ i lost my gamestop deoxys from the nintendo world store at NYC
Hopefully I'll be able to go back for future events
 
I only use my ar for items like repels,idk even how you put new codes on the thing,and you can get a legit celebi from....i believe colleseum,when you complete the game
 
PhantomSyndrome said:
I only use my ar for items like repels,idk even how you put new codes on the thing,and you can get a legit celebi from....i believe colleseum,when you complete the game
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On Bulbapedia, I read that it was only possible to get a legit Celebi in the Japanese version
 
I think that if you DESPERATELY need a pokemon, AR hacking is completely acceptable, as long as you don't give it like stupidly high stats!
GTS cloning's also acceptable
but giving pokemon a ridiculous moveset or awfully high stats is total cheating and whoever does it is a n00b :)
 
The only ARing I agree with is Cloning and possibly the event Items (azure flute ect.)
 
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