2nd Gen Does anybody else feel that Pokemon has declined in quality?

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SonicJump said:
I honestly can't tell you one of the new Gym Leaders names in Diamond/Pearl and I just beat one yesterday!
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...yeah, that's usually a bad sign. >_<

It could very well be the 3d aspect of DP. My bro and I were super impressed with it when we first got the games.... but I don't know. I'd much rather piddle around with my gold than even bother booting DP up now.

Even though I'm rather enamored of the stylus. :s

I don't think Pokemon has quite run its course. But it def. needs better designers for next time. If they can stuff so much onto that little DS card, they should make a game where they connect all four regions and the special islands. Kind of like how you could get back to Kanto after you beat the elite four in GSC. Then you could find the pokemon in their "natural habitats".
 
Well, here's my take on this debate.

No, Pokemon has not declined as it continued. In fact, the games have gotten better. When the turn to the GBA happened, it grew into full color worlds, and pokemon, whereas before the color pallete was limited or non-existant (R/B/Y). 3rd Gen also introduced many new gameplay elements to it.

Now, the 4th gen was simply amazing in what it did for the franchise. The ability to trade with anyone in the world? Battling with anyone in the world? Yeah, the games just got more and more intricate, and have certainly not went downwards.

Don't get me wrong, I love the 1st and 2nd gens to death, and I even still play Blue from time to time. But I think nostalgia sometimes blocks people from appreciating the strides the franchise has made, at least in the mechanics of the game, in the last two gens.

and finally, I always attribute the "3rd gen felt off" feeling to the fact that it was not a sequel to GSC in the way that GSC directly continued the story from Red/Blue/Yellow. The 3rd gen was an entirely new thing, and that threw many people off. Same goes for the 4th gen, as it was not a direct sequel to any previous games.
 
It's not that I don't like the new games, it's just that they don't feel the same. I love D/P, it's just they don't feel the same as the older games.
 
D/P (I've only played them a little, little, little) looks a lot greater than the old games, but true, the feeling of Kanto-ness is gone. The feeling of Pokémon.. somewhat.
 
I wanna play d/p so badly, it's beginning to hurt. Anyway, I agree with what has been said here, the later generations are lacking. I hated r/s after playing them. The 3rd generation is so forgetable. Not to say emerald wasn't a good attempt, but it lacked a lot. And the IV's and natures don't particularly annoy me seeing as how i could care less about them.

I think I wanted to see more empahasis put on story. I mean I grew up with pokemon from age 11. I'm gonna be 20 and i want more emphasis on story. I strayed to Final Fantasy for story and savored it, but I guess that was the problem that the newer games are facing, older, more disappointed fans.
 
Chrona said:
The original 7 games, Red Blue Green Yellow Gold Silver and Crystal were some of the best games I've ever played. Fire Red and Leaf Green were pretty fun too, they were remakes of the originals. But for the most part, 3rd and 4th gen just weren't as fun to play. Natures and stuff made it so you worry too much about your stats, and abilities mostly did nothing but annoy you when the enemy had something like Poison Point. The stories were kinda bleh too. The 8 gym to the league was pretty fun back in the original games. In GSC, they redid it and added in the original world of Kanto, and a final trainer at the end. Then in R/S/E, they just rehashed the same thing. It was original in the first, nostalgic in the second, but now it just got old. Then in DP, they did so once again. Most of the new pokemon apart from some 3 or 4 aren't really that memorable at all. Also, the rival teams just get stupider game by game. Team Rocket was cool, they were evil, they killed Cubone's mother and held Silph and the Radio Tower hostage, etc. Then it went to eco terrorists and space pirates. Like honestly, they weren't evil, they were just stupid. I HONESTLY wouldn't be surprised if the next game had Solar Ninjas and Lunar Horseback Knights, the way this is going. It used to be about fun and collecting and seeing how good you do against the gyms and all, now it's about hatching a trillion eggs to get tthe right Nature/IV >.>
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COMPLETELY agree there, team rocket were actually evil cutting off slowpoke tails and whatnot and these new teams get stopped before they ever really do anything. RBYGSC were definatly the best pokemon series they put more thought into the game back then...now the emphasisis is on the wifi playing and the iv breeding(which i love to do), but i mean i beat the game in 2 days...something impossible to do with silver unless you didnt go to sleep. But everything is seeming to get worse and worse now not just video games.
 
Well, Pokemon's gameplay has increased a lot since the release of Pokemon Diamond & Pearl. It's always the same storyline though, saving Pokemon from a "bad" gang. I think it's time to shake up the storyline a little bit.
 
Hey Hey, I'm with everyone who agrees with the 1st comment, i mean i LOVED pokemon generation 1 and 2, blue, yellow, SILVER, and crystal. The sheer thrill of pokemon when you were little was great. You can deffo tell if ur a 90's child to when you know the theme tune to the original series'. OMG proper 'old skool' fans will remember how devested they were when ash released his butterfree and pigieot. I could of cried lmao. The pokemon in D/P have definately went down in standard, and the guy a couple of posts up was right. It's aimed at a 'new' audience, but what about us :(.

I think people who 'dislike' P/D for what its made 'our' pokemon in to should make a clan, solely basted on kanto and johto pokemon, whos with me lol. I even got someone to trade me a squirtle egg when i started diamond, its so crazy lol.

Yh wb or pm lol
 
well, when i finally started to play pokemon (because i'd found the magic on emulation) i think crystal had already started to come out, however i'd already played on my friend's GBs, eventually knowing more than the people who were playing them

I did kinda like RBE, some of the concepts were interesting, others were just plain annoying. The plot was 'bleh', the elite four too weak, and some of the pokemon were stupid.

in DP, which i've played a bit of, i have to say a few things. Its way too slow. The plot so far is very iffish, and the pokemon just look too kiddish. Its like they're running out of ideas and decided 'hey, lets make it more futuristic and add in many curves and such'. Thats not to say that all the pokemon are bad looking, but point made.

One thing i really liked about the first gen was that the plot didn't dictate everything. It was preety much free reign until you got to a certain point, then free reign again. That disappeared a bit in third gen, and completely in fourth. in first gen they didn't care if i went to the ghost tower, then did a thousand other things, then finally went and got teh scope. in fourth gen i can't even leave the first town until i talk to five people, and can't leave the first city until i find the other protagonist and then get the pokewatch, etc.

i have more to say but i'll leave it at that

on a side note, one thing that i did like about emerald was that theres the battle fronteir. thats fun, building up a team especially for that. a problem with GSC was that once you beat the elite four a few times, the kanto gyms you could do in any order and were decently easy. the only problem was facing red.
 
i actually was thinking about this, while playing Pokemon Stadium the other day (which i am somewhat addicted to playing right now, that and the 2nd Stadium game). anyway..while playing that, i realized that this was pokemon battling at its basic. there were no abilities to take into affect, no weather changes, no IVs or anything...just battling (fighting wasnt even good against normal types, which i found shocking...)
i would have to agree that i find D/P lacking in some ways. it was too plot heavy for my likings....and some of the pokemon are started to look less like pokemon (which is like...ironic or something).
i would also like to say that if they ever come out with a gold and silver remake i would die. those were two of the best games i have ever played
 
Yes I do believe they have declined in quality. The color generation was so much fun. I played the TCG before the games and when I started playing the games I was about 10 years old and it was so much fun to have "real" pokemon. I played blue every free minute and completed the pokedex and beat the elite fore a gazillion times. Yellow was my favourite after mastering blue, but I still read all those crazy rumours about pikablu and the mewtruck glitch whitch I never got to work but got a real mew anyways.

Then came gold and silver which really innovated. It added 2 new types, new ways to evolve pokemon (happiness and trading w/ items) a clock and real time events. Held items. New Hms, ability to find pokemon in new ways (headbutting trees and rocksmashing rocks) Also you could decorate your room. Then there was also the mystery gift ability.

Advanced generation games just havent brought anything new to the table. They just feel like the same rehash of oldstuff again and again. Which is fun, but not the great great fun that RBY and GSC offered when I was kid, and still do today.

I am currently playing Crystal, and Emerald. I restarted emerald a month before I found my copy of crystal. I have about 30 hours on emerald and about 50-60 on emerald.
 
It sort of has declined in quality, since before there was NO NATIONAL POKEDEX, now in the 3d and 4th I have to wait till I beat the game in order to trade my exotic pokemon from other regions.
 
I think it has declined, though to be honest I cant really point out much other than they seem to be lacking inspiration for decent pokemon these days.

I never played R/B/Y. I did very much love Silver though, at the time it was such a fun game, though its not quite the same for me anymore (thats probably just because I've restarted it so many times and I didnt like playing that boy. I shoulda got Crystal). I did actually like Emerald. I didnt really like alot of the pokemon but I did like how there were two bad teams and that they seemed to have more motivation than simply 'take over the world' even if their reasons were rather stupid. There were some features I liked in it. Hoenn as a region I thought was fun how it seemed more of a tropic place to me (I have no idea what it was like in the anime, I stopped watching it sometime through Johto.)

I like how in recent games your rival/s arent just mean to you for no reason. I couldnt stand the rival in FR/LG. It was just so cliche. When I played Emerald it was a breath of fresh air to have a rival who was at least civil toward you. And then in DP both rivals had good personalities.

D/P are good in that it has the most obtainable pokemon in it. I also liked how Team Galactic weren't exactly 'evil,' just went about their cause the wrong way. I also liked some of the new features, but honestly the plot seemed rather lacking. Silver and Emerald (I did have some other games, these were just my two favourites) were games I could play over and over, but when it came to Pearl I lost interest pretty much straight after I beat the Elite 4. I've never once bothered restarting it because I just dont have interest going through it all over again.

I wasnt all that fond of the underground either. Sure it was a cool idea having that place you could run around in with your friends, but I much prefered secret bases in Emerald where you could battle your friend's teams each day (good for exp) and had lots of different choices in where you wanted bases. I remember in my last Emerald play I spent days going through Hoenn trying to find the 'perfect base' then in DP its just a cave in a random spot. I never did like caves.

I just think that, despite all the new features, the latest games really arent all that memorable. The plot was just lacking too much and really, if you dont have wifi or anyone to go wireless with like I did for a long time when I got it, it just didnt really have much going for it. Alot of the new things I didnt even bother to try out like the new contests and such
 
Well, having played every Gen through completely I think I'm going to give my two cents. First off, I think that filling a pokedex now is a little rediculous when there are nearly 500 to collect and some of these "legends" are in events which frankly I don't have time or money to get to.

I feel that the decline is a few things for myself atleast. I started playing pokemon on my old Gameboy back on the first week that Blue and Red came out. It was amazing. I could level up not only a party of six, but trade them out and get different ones. Final Fantasy eat your heart out sort of feeling. It blew the other games in its Genre out of the water and even in you didn't have friends to play with, it was an amazing Stand Alone Game. I must've put over 100 hours in each restart, and never got bored of collecting a spectacular team. Then Yellow came out, and I had a bunch of fun with the Pikachu stuff and felt like Ash. GSC came out, and I played that just as addictedly as the other colors. They added Sooooo much.

Well, after that.. I pretty much stopped until this year. I went to my last event years ago, had a blast trading and fighting on Gold vs all the Crystal fanatics. I completed another Pokedex set and felt alot of pride. This year I got back into it by trying out Ruby, liked it but didn't like some of the Pokemon in it, if you know what I mean. It wasn't mine, so I didn't get to far. I then bought a DS and got the 4th Gen and in comparison to the hundreds of hours on my Blue in the first few months. I've owned this for two and have only put in 70 on the first playthrough.

Getting the last 4 pokemon for the national pokedex has become a chore in itself, and the battle island just doesn't give you as much to do as you'd like. I truthfully don't think I'll ever take the time to get all 493. Even buying Wifi only added a little excitement to it. Now alot of this might have to do with my age, I mean I'm almost twenty. It's hard to have the same enthusiasm years down the road, but I don't think alot of the versions helped this fact.

SO, in a short summary, Yes. I think the quality has degraded, since it was such a powerhouse to begin with, it is hard to keep up the excitement.
 
I definitely think the quality is getting worse, not to mention the fact that almost all the Pokemon in B/W look like toddlers cartoons. I think that they should go back to the gameboy games, and remake them exactly, except with the better graphics. I think that would give the newer generations of Pokemon fans(7-10 years) a taste of what the original players had going on.
 
You're about 4 years late, Mepit. ;( Please don't post in threads over a month old. However, this is a pretty good topic. Feel free to restart it if you'd like, but in Pokemon Gaming Central. idk who left it in here cause it's the wrong forum lol. Silly 2008 mods...

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