Dragon Claw(Rant

[leafgreen386]

OK. Unpredictablility. So what? Suicune says hi with its free CM.

 

[Espy Psyche]

everyone knows what Heracross does. they often can't do **** about it anyway.

I can kill Cross easily. Just use Espy's speed to kill it. Cross is slow. Or use Flare/Blaze as a better salac sweeper.
if Charizard could OHKO Mence with it.
It doesn't need an OHKO. All it needs is a 2HKO because Mence will DD first.

25 char limit sucks. die limit die

 

[Ham]

WOW! POKEMON KILLS POKEMON WITH MOVE! IT CAN'T BE LIKE AERODACTYL AND MEDICHAM EXIST NO SIR.

it also can't be that there could be pokemon OTHER than heracross.

 

[c_dog]

With the right evs, I'm sure it does. Nicpert also helps as Protect helps the healing process.

As far as Heat Wave vs. Flamethrower, Heat Wave only slightly has 2vs2 usefulness. I mean your trading 10% acc. for only 5% more power? At least trade 15% acc. for 25% in using Fire Blast.

Anyways, this is pointless. Salamence > Charizard. Period. No getting around that. You experience things from your battles that may make Charizard seem as good as sala, but that's just you. It's well-known every where of the fact that Sala > Char.

apparently ham isn't the only one who can't read. i already said salamence > charizard, but charizard is a far more useful pokemon than ham gives it credit for.

and trust me, swamp doesn't live in that situation. obviously you've never seen a modest charizard up against a swampert. swamp dies, always, i kill swamps everyday.

and ham is too stubborn so he can go ahead and think he's all that. just don't come crying when his team got destroyed by a modest charizard.

4 moves, yes, but there are alternatives, and a charizard may have different sets. it's not just the 3, each 3 has hybrids and crossovers. chairzard is very very versatile.

oh and suicine should say hi to charizard.. heck it's a water type, a freaking water legend. i'll be ****ed if charizard can take down suicine. there are plenty of pokemon on the team who can cover suicine, pointing out suicine > charizard doesn't make charizard any less of a pokemon.

edit: sorry to the mods if i'm breaking any rules by saying this, but man, it's too bad ham doesn't seek out "noobs" because i know i'd ownzed him and i mean ownzed him on netbattle.

 

[Synchronize]

I've seen modest Char, and yes, swampy survives.
Either way this is pointless;
First you say Char > Sala. Easily proven wrong
then you say Char = Sala. I commend your effort, but still no.
So now your trying to take some middle ground and say we should give Char more credit.
Make up your mind if u will.

And how de we go from "Dragon Claw is overrated" to "Charizard vs. Salamence" anyway?

 

[Ham]

well, charizard is a sentimental favorite of mine so that's why i use it. i could care less if kingdra can beat charizard(it's water vs. fire so it better win), but charizard does have its uses. the good thing about special zards are that people ALWAYS expect that DD one and so the special zard makes for a very nice surprise. if i were to use physical i like the bellyzard better anyway. charizard is weak, so if you're good enough to time a DD you might as well time a sub and then belly drum and then sweep. but like i said, i find special zard to be the most useful for my team's purposes anyway.

the good thing about charizard is that it makes Salamence look even better.

the funny thing is, you know how he kept rambling on about KOing this and sweeping that? never happened to me. I've been on NB for over a year and I have never seen anyone do any sort of "sweeping" with Charizard. hell, I barely see any "KOing."

 

[Synchronize]

lol, same, especially when most people using Charizard is actually always switching IN on sala, trying to KO with D. Claw.

 

[Ham]

ironically, the only people who I see using Charizard are newbs/n00bs.

HMMMMM

 

[c_dog]

I've seen modest Char, and yes, swampy survives.
Either way this is pointless;
First you say Char > Sala. Easily proven wrong
then you say Char = Sala. I commend your effort, but still no.
So now your trying to take some middle ground and say we should give Char more credit.
Make up your mind if u will.

And how de we go from "Dragon Claw is overrated" to "Charizard vs. Salamence" anyway?

i dare you to find a quote where i said charizard > salamence. charizard > mence in versatility, and has the ability to beat it one on one, but salamence has intimidate, better stats making it the OU pokemon of choice, but charizard is in his own right very very good. that's what i've been saying all along. please find a quote where i said otherwise, that charizard >>> mence.

and no, swampy dies. swampy dies swampy dies. i've seen it only a million times. swampy is hit by flamethrower, not very effective, charizard uses hp grass, swampy faints. swampy takes about 10-13% damage from flamethrowers even after leftovers!! and that's supposedly "not very effective". hp grass just finishes it afterthat, i guarantee it.

and just because most people who use charizard are NOOBS say nothing about charizard as a pokemon. what sucks are the trainers, not charizard himself. the idea that a UU pokemon can be effective may be a little too much to bear for OU users who have little creativity and just mimic whatever's popular.

 

[Drayano]

Salamence IS easily better than Charizard though.

charizard > mence in versatility, and has the ability to beat it one on one,

If Salamence doesn't have as much of a movepool as Charizard, explain how Salamence has 4 sets that work well, yet Charizard has only 1 or 2?

 

[Ham]

If Salamence doesn't have as much of a movepool as Charizard, explain how Salamence has 4 sets that work well, yet Charizard has only 1 or 2?

I think he quit when I brought up that.

 

[c_dog]

Salamence IS easily better than Charizard though.



If Salamence doesn't have as much of a movepool as Charizard, explain how Salamence has 4 sets that work well, yet Charizard has only 1 or 2?

charizard has only 1 or 2? are you serious?? i just listed 3 of the basic ones. DD, belly, special, and each set has many alternatives as the DD set and belly set charizards can come in the form of pure physical zard or they can be combo sweeperts with overheat. that's more like 5 sets instead of the 1 or 2 sets. you obviously know zilch about zard. yes the standard zard only has one set(DD set), but if you're actually creative and a good trainer, the possibilities are quite endless, eventhough i find the big 3 to be the most effective, with special set as my favorite.

and salamence is the one with only 1 or two sets. it's usually DD or CB. all of its alternatives are also charizard's alternatives. charizard > mence in versatility.

 

[Mullet]

C_dog Belly Drum Zard doesn't work anymore, at least that I've seen.:\

 

[Espy Psyche]

That still leaves DD Zard, Spec Zard, and mixed Zards such as a spec with EQ added.
Zard@Peyata
FT/Heat Wave
HP Grass
EQ
Endure
252 Spd/129 ATK/129 SA
Rash/Mild nature
I think Spec Zard>this Zard, but this one kills Pika/Rai and has a Blissey counter.

 

[Ham]

to E4 protector: Mixed Zard sucks total *** because of Charizard's Average attack stat. it's to reliant on getting SE hits on things that OHKO it anyway.

charizard has only 1 or 2? are you serious?? i just listed 3 of the basic ones. DD, belly, special, and each set has many alternatives as the DD set and belly set charizards

as mullet said, Belly Drum fails.

can come in the form of pure physical zard or they can be combo sweeperts with overheat. that's more like 5 sets instead of the 1 or 2 sets.

uhh... I need the huge bolded text to get this across, but I'll hold back on size:

overheat is part of belly zard and DD zard. options in a moveset are NOT different movesets!

you obviously know zilch about zard.

I know enough to be winning this arguement, considering everyone who doesn't suck at pokemon is on my side.

yes, I'm saying you suck at pokemon.

yes the standard zard only has one set(DD set), but if you're actually creative and a good trainer, the possibilities are quite endless,

but none are really effective for reasons I have already stated.

eventhough i find the big 3 to be the most effective, with special set as my favorite.

WOW! REPEATING YOURSELF!

REDUNDANCY IS NOT A GOOD WAY TO WIN ARGUEMENTS.

and salamence is the one with only 1 or two sets. it's usually DD or CB. all of its alternatives are also charizard's alternatives. charizard > mence in versatility.

first off, Elemence and GPmence exist. a special and mixed Salamence! Oh ****!

and Mence > Zard in being a pokemon.

P.S. if you can't think of any new points, and have to resort to points that have already been defeated, just give up.

 

[leafgreen386]

oh and suicine should say hi to charizard.. heck it's a water type, a freaking water legend. i'll be ****ed if charizard can take down suicine. there are plenty of pokemon on the team who can cover suicine, pointing out suicine > charizard doesn't make charizard any less of a pokemon.

I was just pointing out a common example of something that would make your Endure-zard to flee or die. What came to mind first was Suicune, that's all.

 

[Ham]

just to add to what LG386 said, Suicune > Charizard does make Charizard lesser becuase Suicune is a common pokemon.

 

[Espy Psyche]

Suicune can also come equipped with IB and OHKO Mence. So Suicune makes Mence lesser as well.

 

[Ham]

Suicune cannot be what it is truly feared as with Ice Beam.

 

[c_dog]

belly drum still works. the complaint with bellyzard is it's too fragile, but nothing timing can't help. sub+belly is also a great alternative(nothing like activating salac berries). we all know which pokemon love to use status effects, so sub the turn they try to set status, belly, and then sweep(there are many other instances to set up bellydrum, it shouldn't even be a question really). earthquake and hp fly work wonderfully together. if DD mence and gyrados are still being used, so can belly zard. :/ i mean i tried it just a couple days ago, it still works fine....