DS vs PSP?

[Lucifer.]

Isn't that PSP in your sig the old design?

 

[Zero ex]

Isn't that PSP in your sig the old design?

Yes, that psp is the old model, i like more the new model.

 

[Casual Billy]

I liked this picture though. I don't know. I'll probably change it when I can find a better one.

 

[Pogiforce-14]

Actually, screen SIZE is an integral aspect of its resolution. Just as my example before illustrated. The number of pixels on a screen (its resolution) means nothing without the screen size. I know it wasn't your original intention to focus on this aspect of screen size but I brought it up anyway. They are very closely related.



So are you saying that PSP is a bad movie player because its library is small compared to a DVD player's? And why would I want to carry three things (the DVD player alone is much bigger than PSP), when I could carry one with some of the same functionality? And I'm assuming that you've never seen a movie on PSP. It's very high-quality. You should check it out some time. Especially before you assert that portable DVD players look "a lot better than on the PSP."

Here's a question that's been bugging me though. Maybe you can answer it. I've just been noticing that every DS fan will try to discredit PSP's multimedia functions by saying that it's not as good as a dedicated machine or that "GAMING SYSTEMS!!" should not be judged on how much multimedia functionality they have. There's validity to the latter but the former argument is what got me thinking. Why is it that PSP offers music, movies, pictures, and games and does them all well (games- extremely well IMO) but DS does games, ... And falls short in that one category? If Nintendo is gonna keep making these game-focused machines that don't do anything else, why can't they make one that fulfills this one function better than anything else. I mean, look at the technical specs of each system. PSP blows DS out of the water. It's a better gaming platform and has media functions as well. DS just plays games and not very many or many that are very good. So, I guess my only gripe with the DS is that, as a dedicated machine, it fails to be the best in the only field that it occupies.

Dude, your starting a flame war, and I guess you must be new to forums, so I'll just let you know that here and that's a nono. But since you opened a whole new can of worms, DS brings more gameplayability to the table than PSP could ever hope to dream of. The DS lists of games may seem minor right now, but they are each ten times better than any psp game, and in a matter of a couple months the DS library is going to explode. But I don't see any major releases planned for the PSP. IMO, it looks like PSP is starting to fizzle out before it even really takes off. In my neighborhood, I've seen about 7 DS and only one PSP. ANd that one PSP owner, as much as he likes his system, admits that the Touch screen brings more to the game than PSP could, and that the multimedia features as you call them, add-ons to me, do really nothing that hardware he already has can do better. MP3 players can fit in the palm of your hand, and POrtable DVD players are indeed much better by conventionality. So before you start making poor generalizations about the DS and it's supporters, put the shoe on the other foot pal. You are talking about DS fans supposed "excuses", but your acting like a biggot. Some representative you are for PSP.

 

[Dark Penguin]

Actually, screen SIZE is an integral aspect of its resolution. Just as my example before illustrated. The number of pixels on a screen (its resolution) means nothing without the screen size. I know it wasn't your original intention to focus on this aspect of screen size but I brought it up anyway. They are very closely related.



So are you saying that PSP is a bad movie player because its library is small compared to a DVD player's? And why would I want to carry three things (the DVD player alone is much bigger than PSP), when I could carry one with some of the same functionality? And I'm assuming that you've never seen a movie on PSP. It's very high-quality. You should check it out some time. Especially before you assert that portable DVD players look "a lot better than on the PSP."

Here's a question that's been bugging me though. Maybe you can answer it. I've just been noticing that every DS fan will try to discredit PSP's multimedia functions by saying that it's not as good as a dedicated machine or that "GAMING SYSTEMS!!" should not be judged on how much multimedia functionality they have. There's validity to the latter but the former argument is what got me thinking. Why is it that PSP offers music, movies, pictures, and games and does them all well (games- extremely well IMO) but DS does games, ... And falls short in that one category? If Nintendo is gonna keep making these game-focused machines that don't do anything else, why can't they make one that fulfills this one function better than anything else. I mean, look at the technical specs of each system. PSP blows DS out of the water. It's a better gaming platform and has media functions as well. DS just plays games and not very many or many that are very good. So, I guess my only gripe with the DS is that, as a dedicated machine, it fails to be the best in the only field that it occupies.

OK, where should i start in this long list of ranting and raving. I don't care if screen size and resolution are closely related, we were talking about size so i don't care how closely they are related because i was talking about size and size alone.

And yes, if a movie player has a VERY small library, that doesn't make it all that useful, now, does it? Once the online movie download comes out, then it will be much more usable. But for now, unless you are rich and can afford the gig memory sticks, it isn't that useable. I was just talking to a guy who has a PSP at my school, and he was complaining how he can only fit 2 min clips on his PSP. And yes, I've watched movies on the PSP before, i found one and kept it for a week (b4 its owner came to me for it). So i have eperienced the PSP and all its features. And my friend has a portable DVD player, and we've watched movies on road trips, and yes its better than the PSP (not by an overwhelming amt, but still better).

GAMING systems have to do with games, not movies and pics and music. If they can do that on the side that is really cool, but when talking about GAMING systems we are generally talking about VIDEO GAMES. And saying the PSP is a better gaming system is clearly your opinion, and by far not a fact. In fact, besides the better graphics, ask anyone and they will say the DS's GAMING features are better than the PSP (touch screen, dual screen, etc.). And you say the DS's games aren't very good, but that too is opinion. After all, most of the PSP's games are just remakes of PS2 games, even IGN said that. And while the DS doens't have too many good ones out yet, it is backwards compatible, meaning it can utalize over thousands of GBA games in addition, and it also has hundreds of great games coming out.

And your griping about the DS not having media functionabilities is not justified - have you heard about the DS media player coming out? Of course not, because you make arguements without bothering to look up any facts. This media player will go in the GBA slot, will use mem. chips that can hold large amts. of data, and can play movies, pics, and music. The only difference is better graphics on the PSP.

Therefore, i have just proved how you are just ranting and raving to prove you un-supported points, while other people actually back up their arguements with facts. You are arguing just to prove that your opinion is a fact, when teh rest of us are just stating our opinion and why we believe in it. You are a bad representation to the PSP, which is a very good system, but you need to stop bashing or you could very well get reported.

 

[Casual Billy]

GAMING systems have to do with games, not movies and pics and music. If they can do that on the side that is really cool, but when talking about GAMING systems we are generally talking about VIDEO GAMES. And saying the PSP is a better gaming system is clearly your opinion, and by far not a fact. In fact, besides the better graphics, ask anyone and they will say the DS's GAMING features are better than the PSP (touch screen, dual screen, etc.).

That's exactly the kind of response I was talking about...

I was speaking both about hardware and about software when I said that PSP is a better gaming system. DS doesn't have the hardware to make it better than PSP at games. Oh yeah, I forgot. It has a touch screen...Now I can look at my maps on one screen and play the game on the other! CaN YoU sAy ReVoLuTiOnArY?!!!11!!1! No, it's not enough to outweigh all the conventional and traditional aspects of a good gaming system that PSP does right. To this you'll probably say that WarioWare and FTM use the touch screen very well. Those games are just mini-game compilations though and are very short. [Then you'll say "but WarioWare has 180 mini games! Too bad most are only 5 seconds long] If this is all that Nintendo had in mind for their revolution to portable gaming, then I think it'd be wiser to stick with a system that gets all of the traditional stuff right [analog, graphics, wide variety]. And then you said:

DS's GAMING features are better than the PSP (touch screen, dual screen, etc.).

You named touch screen and dual screen as two separate gaming features for DS as if two screens would be an arguably advantageous feature without the presence of touch-sensitive technology. They're basically the same feature. And I wonder what the "etc" features are?? [Here's where you say "it has a microphone!" Too bad a USB port on PSP makes a mic possible too...whomp whomp.]

After all, most of the PSP's games are just remakes of PS2 games, even IGN said that.

Most are remakes? I think you probably re-worded what they said a little bit. Sequals and follow-ups are different than remakes. If they weren't then you could say that Mario 64 was just a remake of the Super NES version. Of PSP's launch titles it had:

6 exclusive EA sports titles
A new Ridge Racer
A new Twisted Metal
An orginal puzzler: Lumines
A new Wipeout: Wipeout Pure
A new Darkstalkers: Darkstalkers: Chronicles

And those were launch titles. Let's look at DS's launch:

SuperMario 64DS: *coughportcough*
Ridge Racer: While PSP's was a new game that also had every track in the entire series, DS's was just a port of the N64 game
WarioWare
FTM
There were two others...I just can't think of them. 6 titles on launch day as compared to 24...

And in only a few months the list will expand even greater:

Smartbomb
Coded Arms
FF VII spin off
(there are more but those are just the ones off the top of my head)

And while the DS doens't have too many good ones out yet, it is backwards compatible, meaning it can utalize over thousands of GBA games in addition, and it also has hundreds of great games coming out.

I don't think those games count as DS's. I mean, I wouldn't actually have to have a DS to play them so, i think I'll hold onto my GBA for those "over thousands" (<you need to check that out. GBA does not have "over thousands" of games.)

And your griping about the DS not having media functionabilities is not justified - have you heard about the DS media player coming out? Of course not, because you make arguements without bothering to look up any facts.

First of all, the correct word to use there would have been "functionality" and not "functionabilities" as the latter word is not real...

I never said that DS will never have a media player *checks post* No, I didn't. I said the "DS does games..." See that "does"? It's present tense. And don't assume that i don't know about the Play-Yan and what it can do. Right now it's only available in Japan for order from Nintendo's ecommerce(sp?) site with no release set for America. I guess you better cross your fingers??? And even when the DS has Play-Yan, which would you rather watch a movie on? I already stated before that DS only has 49,152 pixels on one 4:3, 3-inch screen (why's that important? Stay tuned) while PSP has 130,560 on its 16:9, 4.3" widescreen and can display 16.77 million colors compared to DS's 260,000. Which would make a better movie-watching experience? Hmm...And when's DS even getting these media features in America? Hmm....

And the 16:9 widescreen aspect ration of PSP's superior display just adds to its superiority when it comes to movie viewing. 16:9 displays are a closer aspect ratio to the one that the movie is originally shot in so you see more of what the director actually filmed and intended you to see. Check out this page (www.widescreen.org) I think that's the address...Anyway, when they have to format a movie to fit a 4:3 screen, they have to cut out almost 50% of the total shot! Oh man, you should see what you're missing.

Okay, so we've established the fact that DS is not a media player and may never be. Don't argue Play-Yan against PSP's built-in features until it actually exists here...Oh wait, are you Japanese?

Therefore, i have just proved how you are just ranting and raving to prove you un-supported points, while other people actually back up their arguements with facts.

Uhhh....no? You just proved that...? You just proved that...? I give up.

But since you opened a whole new can of worms, DS brings more gameplayability to the table than PSP could ever hope to dream of.

Like what? Touch-centric mini games? I'll pass and go for the console-depth (made possible by PSP's 1.8GB UMD media which holds .3GBs more than GC discs. Looks like PSP will be capable of bigger games than DS "could ever hope to dream of" seeing as how DS carts are 14.4 times smaller in capacity than PSP's discs.[1 gigaBIT vs. 1.8 gigaBYTES where a gigabyte is 8 gigabits]) quality games that I could've only hoped for on consoles until now.

The DS lists of games may seem minor right now, but they are each ten times better than any psp game, and in a matter of a couple months the DS library is going to explode. But I don't see any major releases planned for the PSP.

Yeah, 1/3rd of DS's launch titles were N64 ports and PSP had 24 launch games of which more than half were exclusive. Okay, I guess WarioWare is ten times better than anything else...[/sarcasm]. I actually am waiting for the DS's library to "explode". I mean, it's been out for 5 months and it still didn't have as many games as PSP did at launch. An explosion needs to occur sometime soon...

bashing or you could very well get reported.

Threats? Okay...but I wasn't aware that I did any bashing. I apologize if I did though. I'm not trying to cause any trouble.

 

[Zero ex]

lets change the subject to the games, Now the ds only have bad games, from ds i only like the mario 64 ds, but in a week i was bored of that game, about the psp it have Metal Gear AC!d, Darkstalkers chronicles: the chaos tower and ridge racer.

 

[Casual Billy]

Yeah, the games are the main reason that I chose PSP. I'm looking forward to getting Darkstalkers and Coded Arms. If that coded arms is online....AWESOME!

 

[Brittany]

If you have enough time to watch a movie on your PSP, your most likely gonna be traveling long distances, so you mayaswell bring ur portable DVD player, mp3 player, and DS. That way you can watch your entire DVD section, not the 2 UMD disks you have. Plus, i always use my mp3 player and my DS - mp3 players are very small (esp. mine). Not that big a deal. And no it won't look as good on a portable DVD player as opposed to a big screen, but it'll sure look a lot better than on the PSP.

And finally, billy, we were talking about screen SIZE, which has nothing to do with resolution, even though you can relate it. It's like me pointing out in our screen SIZE debate that the DS bottom screen is a touch screen. It may realte, but it isn't RELEVANT.

Not always, it's still smaller and simplifying anyway. If you're the average DVD player owning American, you probably don't watch each and every DVD that much anyway, which- especially for the PSP owning youth might mean not buying it on DVD in the first place.

And whats this about 2 UMD discs? There are no 2 UMD games or movies out at the moment, but because of it's memory stick support, it still leaves the option out there. And the point of UMDs being optomized for their screen size and resolution meant exactly that- that it does look better on PSP's screen than a portable DVD player...

OK, where should i start in this long list of ranting and raving. I don't care if screen size and resolution are closely related, we were talking about size so i don't care how closely they are related because i was talking about size and size alone.

Stop where you are- since when do you control what is and isn't allowed to be discussed in the forums. He simply brought up a new point, lets not get a flame war started.

And yes, if a movie player has a VERY small library, that doesn't make it all that useful, now, does it? Once the online movie download comes out, then it will be much more usable. But for now, unless you are rich and can afford the gig memory sticks, it isn't that useable. I was just talking to a guy who has a PSP at my school, and he was complaining how he can only fit 2 min clips on his PSP. And yes, I've watched movies on the PSP before, i found one and kept it for a week (b4 its owner came to me for it). So i have eperienced the PSP and all its features. And my friend has a portable DVD player, and we've watched movies on road trips, and yes its better than the PSP (not by an overwhelming amt, but still better).

A couple things on this- Sony recently 'gave away' the specifications and such for media developers, which means soon, memory sticks won't be the only thing we can store media on.

Next, for crying out loud, it still leaves the option out there. It's not like we'll be rushing for every movie that comes out, but if there are one or two you would like to have on UMD, you can buy them. We won't be seeing that option on the DS, and you keep implying(sorry if I misinterpreted it), that the average human being doesn't mind carrying a DS, mp3 player, portable DVD player, and a PDA around- plus all of their media. Seriously, you can't take away from the quality of a product by adding a completely optional feature to it. And regardless, there will always be a member or two who actually do like the features. Dismissing another's personal preferance just because it doesn't fit yours isn't very nice.

And your griping about the DS not having media functionabilities is not justified - have you heard about the DS media player coming out? Of course not, because you make arguements without bothering to look up any facts. This media player will go in the GBA slot, will use mem. chips that can hold large amts. of data, and can play movies, pics, and music. The only difference is better graphics on the PSP.

That wasn't what he meant- he was talking about how you constantly discredit the option of multimedia capabilities. Ironic that you talk about a DS media player now- you're refuting yourself.

Therefore, i have just proved how you are just ranting and raving to prove you un-supported points, while other people actually back up their arguements with facts. You are arguing just to prove that your opinion is a fact, when teh rest of us are just stating our opinion and why we believe in it. You are a bad representation to the PSP, which is a very good system, but you need to stop bashing or you could very well get reported.

Excuse me, you have been bashing personal preferance and making statements without any support more than anyone else here. The thread was meant to post which system you prefer, and why. Not to disregard, and disrespect other's for their preferances.

Billy, you too. Don't bash DS's features. Sorry about making that part short cmatz0, I know you probably feel as if you should be justified now... *considers deleting post*

 

[Casual Billy]

Billy, you too. Don't bash DS's features.

I am sorry. It was not my intention to offend anyone or start a "flame war". cmatz just attacked me and...whatever. It's over. Hopefully we're cool now.

*considers deleting post

Please don't. I brought up a lot of facts about each system that could be salutary to the purpose of this thread. I will edit it if you want, but please don't delete it.

 

[Houndour2005]

I have voted for Nintendo DS.

 

[Dark Penguin]

yeah, i guess this did get a little out of control. meh, guess its a side effect of being a member of gundams.net for too long, considering that forum was one giant flame war, and people posted in threads for the sole purpose of bashing the person who started the thread. but for the record, i never [meant] to say that the PSP's media features are stupid, i just meant that the movie feature has not been executed well so far (of couse its still a very new system). If they are finding a way to store media on a different medium than memory sticks, then thats great for all PSP owners. Plus the online movie dl will be very sweet. And i always thought the music and pictures thing was cool, so thats why i thought the DS media player is going to be cool. Sorry if people took me to being a little assertive.

Anyway, regarding games, it is pretty easy since so far the PSP has much better games out, but i like the DS's future lineup (esp. when you throw internet feature into the lineup).

 

[Dark_Serebii]

DS! ^_^; I preferr Nintendo much over Sony. Not only that, but I've heard people complaining about getting dead pixels. They said in order to return the PSP before the 90-day return policiy expires, they need at least 10 dead pixels. If they don't, than it's a waste of a perfectly good $300+.

Besides, the DS has one thing that PSP will never have - Pokemon.

 

[Lucifer.]

That's one thing which angers me about Sony's returns policy. Over ten dead pixels or no refund? Ridiculous. If you spend that kind of money on a handheld then you expect it to be in 100% perfect condition.

Hopefully Sony Europe will veto the policy when it's launched over here, because it'll annoy me to no end if I receive a PSP with dead pixels, but can't exchange it because there's "not enough to warrant a swap"...

 

[Dark_Serebii]

I know how you feel. I have so many dead pixels on my GBA. I don't really care, since the only reason I use it is for my AR. Nevertheless, Sony probably wants to soak up every penny they can get. Scavangers. o_O

 

[Ash_Pokemaster]

Well, PSP is MUCH better. But I'm a Nintendo Freak so no doubt my fav is DS

 

[charizard_maa]

I like the DS better.

THe PSP is made from SOny which means it may have some problems (like the PS2). THe PSP also cost so much and then you got pay more in order fro you can listen to music and watch movies. What does the PSP cost? About $250? Then you still have to buy games and them memory stick for your other games. Then if you want to play movies and music you got buy the movie or music disc for it. SO that even more money. All that money I going be wasting for that extra junk I could be useing to buy games for my DS/GBA.

I don't want my handheld to playing music or movies. I want it to play games. If I want to listen to music I just grab my CD player and but in a CD which I can also listen to when I playing my game too on my DS/GBA. If I want to watch a movie. Then i grab the portalable DVD player. that simple.

 

[saint jimmmey]

ggggggggggrrrrrrrr

BUT!!!
the psp has a massive flaw the BATTERY it's ok arguing about which is better (ds) but the psp's battery life is crap it's only about 4 hours next to about 10 hours on the ds.
isn't the whole point of portable games that you can take them around with you (plane car etc.) it's just dumb that you have to keep running back to a plug sockett to charge it up....it's true though and don't try to deny it (psp owners)
and most people haven't given the ds a chance.just because the touch screen is something new most people all say it's crap and a gimmik!!
so most people have gone for raw power with a rubbish battery life over something that's new....thats a sad reflection on the modern gaming industry...:(