Entry hazard team

[Kittyipawd]

Caution : Entry Hazard Team​

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I havn't played since D/P but I always like spikes so I made a team around it and my favorite spiker skarmory note I have no idea what really harms this team or not because I have not played in the platinum meta .The idea of this team is too setup your entry hazards as fast as possible then proceed with moves such as whirlwind or roar. It also makes sweeping much easier. I made this team to have as much resistances and immunities as possible.

The core of the team
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Heatran @ Shuca Berry (The Lead)
Job: Setting SR/Fire Absorber
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Nature: Timid
- Stealth Rock
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Explosion




Skarmory @ Shed Skin (The Wrath)
Job: Spiking/Defensive Wall/P-Hazer
Ability: Keen Eye
EVs: 252 HP / 64 Atk / 176 Def / 16 Spe
Nature: Impish
- Brave Bird
- Spikes
- Roost
- Whirlwind



Rotom (A) @ Leftovers (The Musician)
Job: Status Absorber/Inflicter/Rapid Spin Blocker
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 168 Def / 88 Spd
Nature: Bold

- Thunderbolt
- Will-O-Wisp
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

The support of the team
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Jirachi @ Choice Scarf (The Pleasure)
Job: Physical Sweeper/Revenge Killer/Tricker
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Iron Head
- Ice Punch
- Thunderpunch
- Trick

Vaporean @ Leftovers (The Bond)
Job: Bulky Water/Wish Passer/Water Absorber/Scouter/P-Hazer (Damn that is utilty o_o!)
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Nature: Bold
- Wish
- Protect
- Surf
- Yawn


Scizor @ Life Orb (The Bullet)
Job: Physical Sweeper
Ability: Technician
EVs: 32 HP / 252 Atk / 224 Spe
Nature: Adamant
- Sword Dance
- Brick Break
- Bullet Punch
- X-Scissor

 

[Anti]

Electivire (not Electrivire, btw) should be replaced. this isn't early DP anymore--Electivire is insanely easy to wall and be made into dead weight by any decent team. If you're going to use it, use the mixed set (with Thunderbolt--Thunder's power boost doesn't help in most circumstances). Building a team around electivire is like building the royal naval around a canoe...

Now, to the synergy issues. Why use LeadGross? The last thing you want is to reduce your team to 5 Pokemon early on. Suicide leads don't work well when they're on the same team as Skarmory. Also, why have Rain? what does that even do besides give Heatran essentially nothing to attack with? Rotom isn't an offensive threat without SAtk, and Suicune isn't going to sweep off of it like Kingdra or Kabutops would. You're using a Rain Dance supporter without anything to take advantage of it...

Next up is your laughable defenses. Any kind of Dragon-type that isn't Scarf Flygon is going to murder your team. You need something better than Suicune to handle them, maybe a Mamoswine over Rotom.


I would first replace Electivire with something more capable like SDLuke or DDMence. You could throw in a revenge killer over Rotom as well...and Metagross should be replaced with a different SRer that won't die so easily. I would just put it on Heatran and revamp that moveset...people will get smart and just attack it, and its impact probably won't be so good. I would just run a ShucaTran type set (Explosion is always good), maybe with a Life Orb or Expert Belt to bluff a Scarf. Just be sure you have Stealth Rock.

How you decide to deal with Electivire is up to you. A lot has changed though...it's pretty mediocre to say the very least.

 

[Sebastien Loeb]

The Rain Dance of Rotom opposes with Heatran, I think that he should be removed.

 

[Kittyipawd]

Electivire (not Electrivire, btw) should be replaced. this isn't early DP anymore--Electivire is insanely easy to wall and be made into dead weight by any decent team. If you're going to use it, use the mixed set (with Thunderbolt--Thunder's power boost doesn't help in most circumstances). Building a team around electivire is like building the royal naval around a canoe...

Sorry about the spelling ;;. This team is not based around electivire its based around the King of spiking skarmory and I hate skarm bliss so I use skarmvire and late game he is great with sr and one layer of spikers since he can basically finish anything off especailly with a motor boost , yeah ill use regular old mixvire then

Now, to the synergy issues. Why use LeadGross? The last thing you want is to reduce your team to 5 Pokemon early on. Suicide leads don't work well when they're on the same team as Skarmory.

It worked fine when I used bronzong and skarm together. but give me a better SR other then bronzong , azelf , and inferape and ill do it.

Also, why have Rain? what does that even do besides give Heatran essentially nothing to attack with?

Yeah rain makes fire less damaging to me since when I used marriland team builder it was the most I had to worry about but ill take heatran out since it bothered me too. Ill use Rain Dance Jirachi

Rotom isn't an offensive threat without SAtk

Ill use the bulky variant now that im using a wish passer.

and Suicune isn't going to sweep off of it like Kingdra or Kabutops would. You're using a Rain Dance supporter without anything to take advantage of it...

Really .... I guess ill use Scarf king now that we went onto revenge killing.

Next up is your laughable defenses. Any kind of Dragon-type that isn't Scarf Flygon is going to murder your team. You need something better than Suicune to handle them, maybe a Mamoswine over Rotom.I would first replace Electivire with something more capable like SDLuke or DDMence. You could throw in a revenge killer over Rotom as well...and Metagross should be replaced with a different SRer that won't die so easily. I would just put it on Heatran and revamp that moveset...people will get smart and just attack it, and its impact probably won't be so good. I would just run a ShucaTran type set (Explosion is always good), maybe with a Life Orb or Expert Belt to bluff a Scarf. Just be sure you have Stealth Rock.How you decide to deal with Electivire is up to you. A lot has changed though...it's pretty mediocre to say the very least.

Comments in the bold .

 

[Anti]

Now you've just made a poor Rain Dance team...You're setting up too much at once, and the result is a team that can't stop anything and can't sweep anything. Suicune covers Fire-types fine, so why worry about them? The only type you can really have a weakness to is Dragon because of how strong the Pokemon that have Dragon STABs are and the good coverage of Dragon moves. Everything else isn't really an issue...and putting in Jirachi (which is Fire weak) isn't somehow making that better regardless of whether or not it has Rain Dance. If you're using Rain Dance as a purely defensive move (which is why you put it in...), you're using it wrong. Having a couple users of Thunder and the relatively weak Suicune isn't justification to essential waste two team slots to stop Fire-types. There are almost no significant Fire-types in OU anyway...

Next up, you can't build a team around Skarmory...that's simply impossible. Spikes is a support move. You even said yourself that it's for sweepers, but Skarmory can't sweep. The whole point of Spikesstack offense is to sweep the opponent. This is more balanced, but it's not like you have the defense to win with Spikes like a stall team would. Likewise, "SkarmVire" is way different from SkarmBliss. SkarmBliss is a defensive combination, but using Electivire over Blissey destroys the special defensive capabilities of the combo (as this team shows with its weaks to several top special attackers...). That's more like GyaraVire, and that died out months ago (actually more than a year ago really) for a good reason.

Okay, so first of all replace Jirachi. The three Steel-types (two of them with dual typing) is totally over the top. Next, run a REAL defensive Rotom-W, AKA one that isn't trying to be an offensive Pokemon but has defensive EVs. Wishpassing is very unreliable and hard to pull off, so that's not going to cut it. I'd just run a RestTalk set:

Rotom-A @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 168 Def / 88 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Will-O-Wisp
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

This is a very effective Rapid Spin blocker (which is essential for any Spikes team), and it has way more longevity.

If you want good Stealth Rockers to go along with Skarmory: Swampert, Blissey, Hippowdon, Tyranitar, Gliscor, Celebi, Nidoqueen, Heatran

You have lots of choices, but this isn't frail offense so I don't think you need a suicide lead. Metagross actually works fine (2 or even 3 Steels doesn't really matter as long as their weaks are covered), but I don't think you should be blowing it up early. Keep it for mid game when you know what you need to kill. But if you're going to kill your first Pokemon, make the sacrifice worth it.

...To do that, you need real offense. Suicune and Electivire simply don't cut it. Salamence, Gyarados, and Lucario are the REAL monsters. Besides, they actually take advantage of hazards. Electivire still is going to have trouble sweeping regardless, and Suicune is very easy to wear down. If you want to keep Suicune, that's fine, but put in something to soften up your opponent's core to clear it out like a SDLuke or DDMence. Electivire doesn't fit in well with this team at all imo, even with an Electric lure.

And then you're still going to need to cover your weaknesses. I have no idea what ScarfKing is, but the only Pokemon I know with king in their names are pretty poor revenge killers. I would suggest Scarf Jirachi (only if you don't use Metagross) or ScarfTran, since they usually work best.


Regardless of what suggestions you do or don't take (since they are just suggestions after all), I really would rework how this team is built. Right now you have a lot of defensive problems without an offensive core capable of knocking out the opponent quickly.

 

[Kittyipawd]

Anti which is form A ?

 

[wolf]

And then you're still going to need to cover your weaknesses. I have no idea what ScarfKing is, but the only Pokemon I know with king in their names are pretty poor revenge killers.

I think he meant Kingdra, which is a poor revenge killer regardless (can't outrun DD Mence, can't OHKO Gyarados (and is set up fodder when it tries to with Outrage), etc).

Anti which is form A ?

Appliance, which means any forme. I suggest Wash or Cut, Wash scares off Infernape and Heatran for a while, and Cut is decent since keeps Swampert from switching in until it knows your moveset (but you can just burn it, sooo).

 

[Kittyipawd]

How about Porygon-Z since he has done good for me in the past , with choice scarf icebeam he can take out those dragons and destory other ghosts that try and harm rotom?

 

[Anti]

Based on the PM you sent me, you seem to be too worried about filling certain roles like "physical sweeper" and "special wall", but you don't really need to restrict yourself with that. There are a lot of successful teams that don't run Blissey (arguably the only effective special wall in the game), and there are some teams that neglect certain kinds of attackers or attackers in general (stall teams) and still do fine.

Anyway, I think you c+p'd Vaporeon's moveset for Lucario and forgot to edit the whole thing out. The set should be Swords Dance/Close Combat/Extremespeed/Stone Edge.

Speaking of Vaporean, Smogon's EV spread is stupid and I'm surprised people run it. Speed doesn't even help with anything (except CBGross, because that's so popular right now!!), so just place those EVs into HP for improved defenses. I love to use Vaporeon, and the extra HP has helped quite a few times.

Porygon-Z is trapped and killed by the most common Pokemon in the game, Choice Band Scizor. It also has problems with Tyranitar and even the rare Weavile if locked in on Ice Beam or Dark Pulse. Jirachi does basically the same thing, only the only real threat to it is Magnezone. You'll want a Scizor lure if you're going to use P-Z.

 

[Kittyipawd]

Based on the PM you sent me, you seem to be too worried about filling certain roles like "physical sweeper" and "special wall", but you don't really need to restrict yourself with that. There are a lot of successful teams that don't run Blissey (arguably the only effective special wall in the game), and there are some teams that neglect certain kinds of attackers or attackers in general (stall teams) and still do fine.

Anyway, I think you c+p'd Vaporeon's moveset for Lucario and forgot to edit the whole thing out. The set should be Swords Dance/Close Combat/Extremespeed/Stone Edge.

Speaking of Vaporean, Smogon's EV spread is stupid and I'm surprised people run it. Speed doesn't even help with anything (except CBGross, because that's so popular right now!!), so just place those EVs into HP for improved defenses. I love to use Vaporeon, and the extra HP has helped quite a few times.

Porygon-Z is trapped and killed by the most common Pokemon in the game, Choice Band Scizor. It also has problems with Tyranitar and even the rare Weavile if locked in on Ice Beam or Dark Pulse. Jirachi does basically the same thing, only the only real threat to it is Magnezone. You'll want a Scizor lure if you're going to use P-Z.

Yeah I changed the EV spread for vaporean and ChoiceJirachi does the same thing?

 

[Anti]

Whoa, way off on the Jirachi set (and Jirachi isn't a move o_O):

Jirachi @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Iron Head
- Ice Punch
- Thunderpunch
- Trick

As for Scizor, I have no idea why you replaced Lucario. Not only is Lucario very good mid game (and obviously late game as well), but it also is far superior to that Siczor set. You're trying to do way too much with that Scizor at once. U-turn should stay on the CBer or a bulky scouting SDer set I guess, but certainly not something that's supposed to end the game. I also don't really like Superpower since it undermines Scizor's two best stats. Brick Break is more effective, and it hits dual screeners.

I would stick with Lucario though - your team supports it better. I would also consider DDMence, another Pokemon your team could use. The Fighting resist and Ground immune is awesome for getting in, and 4 Steel-types is getting really excessive.

 

[Pokedra]

Your SD Scizor set is messed up, CBScizor is much better for scouting and Superpower lowers your attack/defense which is not something you want on a sweeper. Use this set instead.

Scizor @ Life Orb
Nature : Adamant
EV : 32 HP / 252 Atk / 224 Spe
- Swords Dance
- Bullet Punch
- X-Scissor
- Brick Break

Naive > Timid on Heatran, extra power on Explosion is nice.

You may want to add another sweeper to take advantage of your entry hazards, perhaps LOLatias could work over Vappy. It has some handy resistances and covers Scizor very well.