..::Expect The Unexpected::.. // Retired //

[FinalFlare]

Intro​

I have used this team with success on Shoddy Battle, attaining a rating of 1584 respectively with my alt account, 3 weeks ago. This post basically retires the team due to its predictability on the ladder. Since the initial intention was to surprise people, it would be better to make an entirely new team.​

At A Glance​

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In Depth
Changes will be in blue.

Tyranitar (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 4 Atk/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Ice Beam
- Superpower
- Dark Pulse
- Flamethrower​

The lead and pride of the team. Desinged for those lead Azelfs, getting the advantage early by killing the set up pokemon and keep the sash for a come back. A common scenario, Dark pulse kills the Azelf that Stealth Rocked, opponent sends in scizor which thinks it is a boah thus slower, and gets flamethrowered, while ttar is still healthy and with the sash. Ice beam is mainly for Gliscor and Hippowdon, as well as Zapdos or a Salamence that will hit the sash. Superpower KOs other ttars and hits blissey and heatran hard. Starting sandstorm (being immune to it on par with sash) as well as unpredictability is the main reason I am using this set, giving me the early advantage on most battles.
Originally I had Crunch over Dark Pulse and Attack Evs over Special Attack Evs, but I swapped to a special set to be a threat to Hippowdon with Ice beam. Still the Dark pulse Flinch rate is really handy with the speed, which makes sure it outspeeds max spedd adamant scizors, defensive gliscors, defensive rotoms and 240 speed Celebi/Zapdos.​

Bronzong @ Occa Berry
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/88 Atk/168 SDef
Sassy nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Gyro Ball
- Stealth Rock
- Explosion​

Occa berry is easily of the best item I used on a succesful Bronzong. This is my initial switch to Metagross, Blissey, Jirachi and other Bronzongs. The opponent switches in a fire attacking pokemon (Infernape,Heatran, Salamence, Zapdos, etc..) usually when I set up my SR. I then take the fire move having around 60% left after occa berry activates, and then kill with EQ or simply exlode. I could use Heatproof and Leftovers though I much prefer to use it as a DD ttar counter, or switch it into locked Heatran Earth powers. Serves as my weavile and Mamoswine counter.​

Celebi @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP/100 Spd/88 SAtk/68 SDef
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Psychic
- Recover
- Grass Knot
- Hidden Power [Fire]​

This thing has swept many times despite its defensive set up. My switch in Suicune and Swampert, it scares them off and hits the predictable Infernape or Scizor with the right move to KO. The sp def Evs lets it take a Shadow Ball from Gengar and KO back, no one expects Psychic from this little annoyance. The speed Evs let it outspeed Mamoswine, so it cant kill with Ice fang, most dont expect fast Celebies. Also, the speed usually lets it outspeed Salamences, Zapdos' with the unexpected Psychic on their switch in(factoring SR damage) and kill if not heavily sp def oriented. Also outspeeds Adamant Lucario.​

Heatran (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 Spd/252 SAtk/4 SDef
Modest nature (+SpA, -Atk)
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Substitute
- Will-o-wisp​

I originally had scarftran here, as well as Explosion with naive. Then I changed to a sub explosion set, and last I changed will o wisp over explosion. The main reason is that I dont want to forcefully blow up my Heatran for that Gyarados or Salamence, I will gladly catch them with a Burn and end their threat. Also, Rhyperior is now less threatening and if I get a Sub on another choice scarf Heatran this becomes an invaluable sweeping monster with its type coverage.​

Rotom-w @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Trick
- Thunderbolt
- Shadow Ball
- Hydro Pump​

Rotom-w is my revenge killer, and Hydro pump is an amazing weapon in its arsenal to hit Scarf Heatran and Infernape mostly. Trick can be used on Blissey,Snorlax or another wall pokemon that sets up lategame to force it into submission. Works really well with Heatran. Sadly, no sandstorm immunity and constant switching in Stealth Rocks make me wish some times I had a rest talk variant of it. The best part of this Rotom-w is that most expect the Scarfers to be Modest, and I get a lot of kills on +1DD Gyarados.​

Flygon (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd/4 SDef
Adament nature (+Atk, -SpA)
- Fire Punch
- Roost
- Outrage
- Earthquake​

Last but not least Flygon. This is usually my last pokemon 80% of the time, and with its great coverage I end up finishing up my opponents team. STAB EQ and Outrage from a 426 attack is nothing to look down on(More powerful than Max attack Metagross meteor mash). The stealth rocks resist makes sure I will be near max health when it first switches in and roost away if needed as well. Sandstorm immunity helps it stay around longer against the likes of heatwave/thunder wave/thunderbolt/roost Zapdos. Also serves as my back up choice scarf Heatran counter if my Heatran and Rotom-w die.​

Threat List
Coming Soon.

So that's ..::Expect The Unexpected::.. This is by far my favorite team and it's quite fun to play with. Obviously I'm quite proud of this team.​

Thank you for reading!​

 

[Samson]

sure a +spd set will help ttar outrun sets w/ very little to no spd investment, but you know as well as i that it is not that common in the platinum metagame. platinum is pretty much summed up by speed. with that in mind, i'd rather run a +spAtk set, perhaps even consider Chople Berry so that ttar can actually take the hits it shouldn't.

what common zapdos/salamence sets would that celebi outspeed? o.O there are zapdos sets with a lot of hp and def ev investment, but they aren't nearly as common as speedy ones.

i suggest modest nature on heatran so that it can do hard enough damage for a 2HKO when sub is up. it hardly needs the speed when the idea is to set up a sub. subWoW sets are awesome, btw. you may even want to consider dropping some speed for some hp investment. rotom forms will still outspeed, opposing heatrans will get OHKOd, bulky waters will get burnt, and other sets built to counter heatran get some form of hurt without the speed. there's no shame in giving heatran the ability to actually switch in on neutral damage.

i like the rotom and flygon set, but i'm not sure whether having a -Def nature on flygon is the way to go.

cool team.

 

[FinalFlare]

Thank you for the rate, Samson. Modest Heatran it is.

I have +Spd Tyranitar, because it outruns random stuff, like adament max spd Scizor.

Flygon is lonely nature, since I dont know any other better nature for Flygon. If any of you know a better nature for Flygon, let me know.

 

[Archer]

I am pretty sure Flygon recieved Fire Punch from the Platinum Tutors, so you could always run that over Fire Blast, therefore running Adamant/Jolly.

 

[FinalFlare]

I am pretty sure Flygon recieved Fire Punch from the Platinum Tutors, so you could always run that over Fire Blast, therefore running Adamant/Jolly.

Thank you for the rate, Archer. I will give Flygon fire punch with Jolly nature. I have Tyranitar, Heatran and Celebi for Skarmory, Forretress, etc...

 

[Anti]

I would seriously go Adamant since, as cool as Outrage is, it doesn't do ANYTHING without all of the power it can get...and you lack a CB so I would use Adamant for sure. I just don't see what Jolly outspeeds that Flygon really needs to beat.

 

[FinalFlare]

Thank you for the rate, Anti. I have jolly so I can outrun all pokemon with 90 base speed, but I will try adament on Flygon and see what I like better. I am thinking of making Flygon a little more bulky with
32 Hp / 252 Atk / 8 Def / 216 Spd evs ( Standard ), thoughts?

 

[Sebastien Loeb]

Do I consider a big risk as Life Orber to use Flygon, would not it be better to use him as Scarfer? Also because in your team you don't have a real physical sweeper.

 

[Anti]

Who is notable that has 90 base speed though? Lucario is irrelevant as Extremespeed owns you either way, and Adamant is on most of them. Porygon-Z is Modest more often than it is Timid, and a lot of them run Choice Scarf anyways. Besides, it's not like they're going to come in on you, same with Lucario. Electivire is the only other notable pokemon, and it's almost never Jolly or packing a +Spd nature (for good reasons). You could say Yanmega I guess, but Speed Boost...

There's really nothing to test unless you fear Timid Porygon-Z (which is used less in OUs than Clefable) and Jolly Lucario (which is barely used as well).

...By the way, I based everything I said on the Smogon Server statistics...I'm not just pulling this out of thin air. I mean you could "test" both natures if you want, and I'm not saying Jolly won't work...what I am saying is that ~95% of the time, Adamant is going to be more useful. You have offensive Suicune and CB Swampert to worry about, not some obsolete Porygon-Z. I'm not going to say Jolly doesn't have its merits, because it does, but you're largely wasting your time. 299 attack with a LO boost is not enough to do significant damage to the tier. You do better than a speed tie with Adamant/Modest 299 Spd Salamence, which is about half of the Salamence you'll see. Zapdos is rarely running 299 speed though and same with HP Ice, so it's not notable. I think the real advantage to running Jolly is beating other Flygon, but that's mostly it. Adamant/neutral speed nature is on 75%+ Flygon for a reason.


...Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand Loeb, Scarf Flygon sucks. ScarfHera or ScarfTran or far better choices.

PS: In case you haven't seen the stats, hre are some useful links:

https://cap.smogon.com/ShoddyStats/2008-12/Smogon-200812-Details-Standard.html
https://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49828

 

[FinalFlare]

Good enough info for me, Anti. Adament it is. Thank you very much for your effort and time you put into Flygon.

 

[dewey]

scarf flygon is absolute win. i prefer it to orb. with the right prediction it ruins ur opponents day.

 

[The Hero Without a Name]

scarf flygon is absolute win. i prefer it to orb. with the right prediction it ruins ur opponents day.

Fair enough.

Now, you mind explaining why?

 

[Anti]

scarf flygon is absolute win. i prefer it to orb. with the right prediction it ruins ur opponents day.

...Maybe you don't get why Scarf Flygon is used then, lol. "With the right prediction" is a line you use for CBers and Specs users (as in, stuff that does more than 2 damage). Scarf Flygon is working off of a poor SAtk stat and slightly above average attack. It doesn't actually revenge kill anything good, lol. Lucario decimated it with Extremespeed, Salamence beats it after a DD, and anything with any kind of bulky takes ANY attack and KOs back (Gyarados, Suicune, etc.)

And if you're using Scarf Flygon to actually do damage, boy do I wish you luck.

Besides, why did you even bring it up when this team isn't going to use it regardless? lol

 

[dark_seeker]

mixnape absolutly tramples over this team.so make sure you keep rotom alive as long as possible(he dies to +2 flamethroweer lo)or atleast untile you know all your opponents pokes

 

[Archer]

mixnape absolutly tramples over this team.so make sure you keep rotom alive as long as possible(he dies to +2 flamethroweer lo)or atleast untile you know all your opponents pokes

Rotom can take the HP Ice Variants fine, although you are right about the Nasty Plotters.

Dewey, does the term offensively retarded mean anything to you?