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...Just as the same can be done with a wonderful plot: You can have "The All Mighty Fanfic Idea To End All Fanfic Ideas And Put The Makers Of Pokemon To Shame"..But, write badly, and no one will be able to understand it, let alone see its true glory...
 
Just look at Harry Potter... 1 dimensional characters (one is smart, one is stupid, the last being the in-between. The obviously bad guy *cough*Snape*cough* is actually the good guy! The archetypal mentor- Dumbledore, always there to assist the heros in their quest for whateve.r Surprise surprise!), yet sales go through the roof.

You are officially my new best friend. FINALLY someone with a brain who won't try to bite my head off when I say that! Praise the Lord!
 
Act! I just had to post saying that I read you and Kazeto Tamashii's criticisms, and I agree with almost everything you all said. I just haven't had time lately to revise, so I thought I'd reply when I could take the time to sit down and re-work the fic (probably as soon as I finish these summer books for school). Just wanted to say something so you all wouldn't think that you had reviewed in vain. Thanks to both of you for helping me with my first attempt at one of those serious one-shots!

P.S. - why'd you change your name?
 
Aw, well, I'm glad you liked. xD

My SN on every other site ever is Act; only my AIM is actonthat. Actually, so is my LJ. Anyway, I don't know why I enlongated it for here. It was annoying me...
 
Um. Ok, that last thing I started about fanfics being taken seriously has ended, so no more on that...

Trainer and Pokemon communication. Like Orange Flaaffy, I like to keep Pokemon animalish. Of course, they do communicate with eachother. What's weird is that when it comes to humor fics, dialogue comes really easy for me, but in serious writing I struggle over character's lines. So it's naturally easier for me to make it so humans can't verbally understand Pokemon. Besides, thoughts and body languahe are fun to write out.
 
I think people often forget that pokemon *are* animals. Smart animals, maybe , but still animals.
Now, that doesn?t mean writers had the right to use them as mindless robots (unless you are writing a creepy scifi fic) with no feelings etc.

I mean, real animals should be treated as living things and have personalities, so why not pokemon?

I think too many people are afraid of the word 'animal' in this fandom because they feel if they have pokemon thinking in more natural ways, the reader will not be able to relate to the pokemon, or see it as a character in its own right.

But, pokemon need not be little humans in fur to get the point across that they have selfs.

I think, the only time pokemon should be like humans almost to a T is in 'morph' stories, and even then, the pokemon part of the 'person' should shine though many times (I'm working on such a story) , not just be a plot element of :

"Oh, I'm part Vulpix made by Team Rocket, look at my pretty tail and my name, Flarea, that by some twist of fate perfectly matches the element that I'm now a part of, and wasn?t two moments ago.."
 
Ha. Ever notice how in morph stories, they always get turned into cute mammalian Pokemon? Wouldn't TR fuse these kids with a Koffing or Golbat, Pokemon they have lots of? Or Ratata since it's pretty much a lab rat.
 
Iveechan said:
Ha. Ever notice how in morph stories, they always get turned into cute mammalian Pokemon? Wouldn't TR fuse these kids with a Koffing or Golbat, Pokemon they have lots of? Or Ratata since it's pretty much a lab rat.
Heehee..you read my mind..Don't worry, I have plans to blow all that clean out of the water..although, it will take many months more of writing..but trust me, I'm hard at work with the trouble... :cheeky:

Say, on the subject of overused and underused pokemon overall in any type of fic, which pokemon do you think out of all the pokes we have now, should be used more often. To make it hard, lets say you can only pick one...

Oh, and something else, a subject that troubles me at least: Do you think the pokemon of this current set of games are going to be basicly thrown out by fic writers in favor of the D/P ones?
 
Mah name is so awesome now! I was billy5772, but that was tired, so now I'm Casual Billy! Okay, no more exclamation marks. I'm supposed to be laid back now. Casual. Casual. Keepin' it cool.
 
I don't read fics as often as I used to... Johto Pokemon seem most likely to be underused, mainly because a lot of them just didn't stand out. With over 386 Pokemon, it's hard to decide on what's used more. Obviously, Pokemon who resemble animals tend to be used the most while inorganic pokes (like Magnemite) are rarely used. People write about the Pokemon they like and very few people like the inorganic pokes. I also almost never see a fic about a grass type, especially ones like Oddish and Hoppip (again, because they're not animalish physically).

I do know that when it comes to angsty one-shots, Eeveelutions, Mewtwo, are Absol are horribly overused. Even though a lot of fans like these Pokemon, in fics, they tend to be abused and misunderstood, especially Absol. I've seen so many "people think Umbreon are evil, but they're reall just misunderstood", I lost count. What I hate about these fics is that Pokemon that the author finds unlikeable plays the role of the bully. How come only the cute and attractive Pokemon are worth angsting over, but it's all right to feel hatred for the meanies? I actually wrote a one-shot about Machoke as a victim, just because I was so tired of it always being used as the antagonist.
 
Any pokemon can be hurt, they are all living things after all. I wonder how much heartbreak something like a Muk has gone though...Or an Oddish who was very cute when it was young, but became a Gloom so no one wanted it anymore...Come to think of it, other than being used as just a 'magic force' in fics and a movie, the Unknown don't get much press anymore do they? I mean, in the way of thinking that each one, each letter, is a pokemon in a way...
 
I think people often forget that pokemon *are* animals. Smart animals, maybe , but still animals.
Now, that doesn?t mean writers had the right to use them as mindless robots (unless you are writing a creepy scifi fic) with no feelings etc.

I mean, real animals should be treated as living things and have personalities, so why not pokemon?

I think too many people are afraid of the word 'animal' in this fandom because they feel if they have pokemon thinking in more natural ways, the reader will not be able to relate to the pokemon, or see it as a character in its own right.

But, pokemon need not be little humans in fur to get the point across that they have selfs.

::sings praises:: Of course. It annoys me extra when people humanize pokemon because I know how much of a personality animals can have-- If i described to you the personalities of my pets, you'd think they were people: they all have little quirks and oddities that make them individual, but at the same time aren't human in their habits.

Meh, please write a good morph fic... I need one ::sigh::. I love morph and hybrid fics xD
 
Act said:
::sings praises:: Of course. It annoys me extra when people humanize pokemon because I know how much of a personality animals can have-- If I described to you the personalities of my pets, you'd think they were people: they all have little quirks and oddities that make them individual, but at the same time aren't human in their habits.
I love how much animals are in touch with the real world...Not so much our 'real 'world, which is filled with wars, money, and what to wear this season, but the *real*, true, bigger than everyone natural world. I feel it's also noble it is basic eat or be eaten, find a mate or die out, way. That's why I guess I get sort of saddened when that history and understanding is bleed out of a pokemon by some writers, in favor of human like actions and words. Personally can still be there in an animal way..It's just, I'd rather they'd not all be like Meowth in the anime, who often forgets he is a pokemon..That's just sad..
Meh, please write a good morph fic... I need one ::sigh::. I love morph and hybrid fics xD
Mine is going to be more hybrid than morph. You will be happy to know I am also not using the classic "Team Rocket made 'em." plot point.
 
Mine is going to be more hybrid than morph. You will be happy to know I am also not using the classic "Team Rocket made 'em." plot point.

Personally, I always associated ''morph' with lab-made and 'hybrid' with pokemon parent/human parent. ::shrug::

I really can't stand the pokemon anime.
 
Act said:
Personally, I always associated ''morph' with lab-made and 'hybrid' with pokemon parent/human parent. ::shrug::

I really can't stand the pokemon anime.
I always thought morph meant they could turn into a pokemon and then back into a human anytime they wanted, and hybrid just meant that for whatever reason, they were part pokemon and part human, sort of looked like a bit of both, and could never change...
But I guess there is no right or wrong answer to that, since people seem to throw around terms nowadays without a set meaning...

I like the anime, I just wish Ash would stop the whole "Team Rocket is evil, so we should blow them up all the time because we are the good guys and that gives us the right to!" thing of his all the time.
Everything else I can deal with...
 
The anime is a good basis for how Pokemon battles would go. Using "real-world" strategy over game strategy, like how environment can effect a battle's outcome and stuff. The anime itself is lame, but really, even I can't deny that I gained inspiration from it. Heck, I even referenced to it a few times in my fics.

Oh yeah, I haven't been keeping up to date, but are any of the "good" reviewers willing to review a fic on their own, or do we HAVE to pm them?

Hee hee, I'm on Orange_Flaaffy's friends list ^^
 
Orange_Flaaffy said:
Oh, and something else, a subject that troubles me at least: Do you think the pokemon of this current set of games are going to be basicly thrown out by fic writers in favor of the D/P ones?

I don't think the third generation of Pokemon will be forgotten that easily. See, the difference between them and the second generation is that the second generation simply wasn't given half a chance. In the Gold, Silver, and Crystal versions, there were so many older Pokemon in the game that several players would've just overlooked the newer Pokemon completely and just focus on building a team with their favorite oldies. Basically, the entire Jouto region was being forced to share a game with Kantou, never getting its own spotlight. The anime never did the second generation Pokemon justice neither. The Jouto saga has been seen by several as the worst episodic plotline in, not only Pocket Monsters, but probably all anime in general. I'm sure quite a few people here even gave up watching the anime during that point, never to return again until Advanced Generation started up and the franchise's popularity went up again. Even for the people who did stick around to watch all of Jouto, the Pokemon didn't get their fair share of screentime neither. One of the biggest complaints I've heard about the tournament at the end (and the 8th gym for that matter) is that all of Satoshi's old Pokemon came in to save his butt, while Pokemon like Bayleef were tossed away in a matter of seconds (1st and 2nd generation Pokemon were sharing spotlight in the manga as well). Let's not forget that in this current set of games, the only possible chance generation #2 had at redeeming itself was Pokemon Colloseum, and.... well, I don't think I need to explain that one (though I wish the game was given a bit more credit than it gets).

Basically, the third generation's not gonna be dumped by the fans so easily because they've already made such a name for themselves. In their widely successful set of games, players were being forced to use them most the time rather than be overshadowed by the older guys, and several consider the anime to have never been better since Advanced Generation started. In particular, Satoshi's Houen team throughout the anime was one which was enjoyed by many, because it seemed as though the writers finally gave up on giving him nothing but cutesy Pokemon and allow him to use badass fighting machines. When he's got guys like Juptle, Oosubame, and Heigani, his team and their performance is much more likely to be recognized than his Jouto team, which is perceived to be undertrained and not have any good Pokemon (though, I personally liked Bayleef, though not as much as Juptle, but definitely more than Fushigidane. And some guys on the green forum think Yorunozuku should have been given more of a chance considering its potential as an extremely intelligent fighter that's pretty much lethal when pitted against ghost-types).

Orange_Flaaffy said:
Come to think of it, other than being used as just a 'magic force' in fics and a movie, the Unknown don't get much press anymore do they? I mean, in the way of thinking that each one, each letter, is a pokemon in a way...

I like Unknown. Sure, they may not be fit for battling, but I find it neat to collect them, as well as try to figure out what their Hidden Power types are (not like the typing would actually be important, but I find fun in just going around simply slaughtering wild ingame Pokemon with an overpowered level 100). Anyway, I definitely intend on using it in future plots.
 
2nd generation got the dump because the game didn't allow them to stand out. Out of all the usable Pokemon, 2nd generation got the least usable ones. It's the only generation where the starters aren't usable...

Venusaur can withstand Alakazam's psychic and not die, while capable of physical or special sweep. Charizard can mix sweep very well. Blastoise can't do junk but at least it still got haze.

Swampert is king of all physical water types. Sceptile is one of the fastest out there, while Blaziken maybe slow and weak in def, but it's the absolute symbol against skarmbliss's totalitarian rule.

Okay... Meganium can't do anything but set up barriers then wait to die, so might as well get Claydol. Feraligatr is a weakened Swampert without earthquake STAB. Thyplosion is a weaker Charizard in all way except it lose its flying weakness (but then, at the cost of losing dragon dance?)

Anime sucks the most for the Jhoto seasons, and will be even worst if Wobbuffet didn't come in to save its butt. First generation got the nostalgia pity, while advance got Haruka to spice things up for the first 10 episodes... which aren't that bad actually. The beginning of advance is pretty good, but then it sucks again after Roxanne.

In the manga, Gold, Silver and Crystal are often in need for the old heroes help as well, casting an inferior light on these 3 heroes. Notice how it's RBGY who comes in to save the day in the end, battling against Ho-oh/Lugia/Celebi (well not exactly as there's hardly much that's dedicated to the battle, unlike that of Kyogre/Groudon which got a whole book worth at least, but in theory that's what happened).

Pokemon fanfic got on its greatest height in popularity during GSC, but also the lowest in quality. That's the aura for the infamous OT fanfics. People speculate and make their own guesses at what GSC games will be like, and thus OT got even more popular since Pokemon just started. It died down along with most other Pokemon products when advance came out, so advance got spared by the insane and annoying OT fanfic rush. There's only a small wave of RS OT fanfic. It made the 3rd generation look good on ffnet that way.

I think that I can even go to cards... 2nd generation cards (Neos) got most good trainer cards wiped out from the face of the planet. The 2nd generation gym leader cards, the VS, did so poorly that they didnt' even consider releasing them outside of Japan. Some cards are absolutely overpowering, while some just suck. This creates a so limited amount of archetype decks... At least in Advance, almost every card sucks equally (or good cards are so easily countered by one single card, such as gardevoir ex being completely destroyed by Wobbuffet, and it's not hard to include Wobbuffet in any deck), so relatively every card is good and balanced. You actually need to think of a good deck (like the last tourney winner with the infamous Jirachi deck which now becomes the absolute archetype of today), as archetypes don't show up as obvious as it did back in GSC cards.

Ironic how the 2nd generation got the crap beaten out of them in every way possible... games, manga, anime, card, fanfic, you name it, and the 2nd generation will suck at it.
 
I think there was a huge abundance of suckage fics at the start of ruby/sapphire. So many which copied the beginning exactly like the games and tried to be original-funny by making the boxes crash into Brendan/May in the moving van.
 
frostweaver said:
Ironic how the 2nd generation got the crap beaten out of them in every way possible... games, manga, anime, card, fanfic, you name it, and the 2nd generation will suck at it.
I remember a time where a friend of mine doubted that I should write a future fan fic to work on (after I'm done with HMW) because it took place in the "ancient" Johto.

After reading Frostweaver's response, if ancient means "second rate", then I won't bother with it.

My first Pokemon fic took place in Johto (but wasn't a OT fic). Looking back on it, I feel pretty good about getting rid of my old version. It was a crossover, and the horribly done script format turned off quite a lot of people at Serebii and resulted in getting it locked. I revived it as a narrative revision, but even that didn't go well because I lost the old version (back then, I didn't know a lot about writing fan fiction as I do now). I decided to say "Who the heck cares?" and got rid of every trace of it so I could get to work on HMW.

I considered reviving "Johto Island Adventure" again several times, but seeing all these rules about fan fiction that I should've known 5-10 years ago made me quite hesistant to do so.
 
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