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billy5772 said:
With the posting daily thing: Yeah, sometimes it can turn potential readers off because it seems like they can never catch up. While I'm writing a fic, I usually wait an average of 5-7 days before posting a new chapter. Here, it's been kinda difficult to delay updating though as I'm merely translating a fic that's already completed onto the boards here. I posted 1 chapter on the 16th and another like an hour ago. But that was after a month and a half of nothing though, so it evens out.

There's always room for updates and revision. There's plenty to do in one week of time... I'll love to write too but then I can just never get the time to do so =/

Updating once a week is, in my own opinion, *THE* most effective rate of updates for an author who haven't covered enough grounds to be "popular." If you got "popular," then keep up that 1 week update rate until you finish that fanfic. Afterwards, start a new one and update even slower for better quality. Since you're popular, you won't be forgotton even if you update say, once every 2 weeks instead. Just be sure to drop by and appear everyday, and you can maintain popularity.

(yes there's a whole world out there with all these ways to improve your writing skills that aren't related to writing itself O.o; Makes me want to take up psychology even more...)

Yes popularity is quite annoying at times... especially in contests like that. =/ But then again... I read the 12 chapters of PMC, and I personally won't nominate Kiryuu for the best antagonist either in a contest for the Best Pokemon Fanfic Antagonist. Possibly because it's still early in the story, but so far my vote goes to either Angelique of Trials of Reluctance, or Ashura from the classical Pokemon MASTERS (who said that the antagonist of the protagonist can't be the protagonist himself? 3/4 of the troubles caused in the story are all started by Ash himself anyway...)

ffotw can be biased at times if both Lily and Oni are busy and they're rushing on that Sunday to nominate something XD; Those times are rare and far inbetween though...
 
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uh oh...this makes me think that my fic is bad now, since i have a little group of reviewers...
 
frostweaver said:
There's always room for updates and revision. There's plenty to do in one week of time... I'll love to write too but then I can just never get the time to do so =/

Updating once a week is, in my own opinion, *THE* most effective rate of updates for an author who haven't covered enough grounds to be "popular." If you got "popular," then keep up that 1 week update rate until you finish that fanfic. Afterwards, start a new one and update even slower for better quality. Since you're popular, you won't be forgotton even if you update say, once every 2 weeks instead. Just be sure to drop by and appear everyday, and you can maintain popularity.
However, there are some people out there who have a bad habit of missing deadlines (which I would be guilty of when I don't have chapter 1 of DW up by Saturday as mentioned on the previous page).
 
deadlines don't make much of a big deal... as long as it's roughly a week leater ^_^; Deadlines can have a reversed effect by disappointing your readers if you failed to meet them, so in the end deadlines are like a gambling tool... And also for whatever reason that I don't know of, writers who don't have a certain fanbase yet never seem to do too well with a deadline... it just happens but I don't get why... =/

And Sequoia no I don't think that you got the "little group of reviewers" because I haven't heard of your name any place elsewhere.

The only "famous" writer around is Breezy. Who wouldn't know Breezy, the starter of all RS fanfics based on Brendan and May? When the game first came out, Breezy was the only one to write 3 different fanfics all about Brendan and May, and for a while started a whole new trend on Fanfiction.net ^_^ Breezy continued to write after the newgained popularity and managed to maintain it.

Won't say any other people here are exactly "famous" but maybe at most "well known." All the others are mostly famous in 2 forums or so, but only Breezy is known widely across the web, and especially in Fanfiction.net
 
frostweaver said:
deadlines don't make much of a big deal... as long as it's roughly a week leater ^_^; Deadlines can have a reversed effect by disappointing your readers if you failed to meet them, so in the end deadlines are like a gambling tool... And also for whatever reason that I don't know of, writers who don't have a certain fanbase yet never seem to do too well with a deadline... it just happens but I don't get why... =/

And Sequoia no I don't think that you got the "little group of reviewers" because I haven't heard of your name any place elsewhere.

The only "famous" writer around is Breezy. Who wouldn't know Breezy, the starter of all RS fanfics based on Brendan and May? When the game first came out, Breezy was the only one to write 3 different fanfics all about Brendan and May, and for a while started a whole new trend on Fanfiction.net ^_^ Breezy continued to write after the newgained popularity and managed to maintain it.

Won't say any other people here are exactly "famous" but maybe at most "well known." All the others are mostly famous in 2 forums or so, but only Breezy is known widely across the web, and especially in Fanfiction.net

Meh... famousness is relative. When I was going under the Penname Kamejen, I wrote a "famous" DBZ story called "The REAL Story of Bulma Briefs." It got me a very large fanbase, and it was fun an' all, but when I lost interest in DBZ it really sucked. I wouldn't advise going for those long serials if you think there's a possibility you'll lose interest. ^^; But then again, who knows which twist or turn your head will take, lol?
 
frostweaver said:
Yes popularity is quite annoying at times... especially in contests like that. =/ But then again... I read the 12 chapters of PMC, and I personally won't nominate Kiryuu for the best antagonist either in a contest for the Best Pokemon Fanfic Antagonist.

hmmm.... good point. I like him so much, but only I as the author knows what he does in the future, what his background is, how he develops, etc. As it stands, readers are probably getting the impression that he's a totally perfect Gary Stuish character, only he's an antagonist instead of a protagonist. He is very strong and extremely intelligent, a better strategist than several humans for that matter, several traits which are surprising for a common Pokemon to have, and I needed to make that first impression somehow, to let everyone know what kind of enemy Hiro and Eievui could be dealing with. I also didn't want his first defeat to be near as pathetic, unrealistic, and rushed as I had it in the old version. Still, there's no excuse for the lame amount of nominations I got in that contest. You'd think, at the very least, I'd be a shoe-in the "Most Original Author" category, but the one person who nominates me didn't even do that.

Speaking of the old version, remember earlier when I brought up making a thread for it? Should I do that? Am I even allowed to do that? It may seem embarassing as hell for me, but it would be interesting for people to see how much I progressed in terms of story-telling, and how..... different.... it is for me to attempt a narrative. This should also hold everyone over until my college classes end next week. There won't be any spoilers, since I'll be posting old chapters coinciding with the events of the current chapters' revisions. Again, I'm asking if such a thread would even be acceptable before I attempt this.
 
Well, not all the winners of the awards at that "certain forum" were overrated. Some fics were good like Dragonfree's (I closet read a few chapters :P ) and Lileh's one-shots... Lileh won right? o_O;

It's always like every ten pages that my "famousness" at ff.net appears in this thread somehow lol. Those silly little Ru/Sa writers... I'd use to love it when they'd use my characters in their own fics and when I'd get flames via e-mail because the person was too chicken to post on my review board. Let us not forget them crazy hoennshippers!

Good times. :) I think my rep at ff.net has died a bit though. 'Course, I wouldn't really know how everyone else thinks of me anyways.
 
Breezy said:
It's always like every ten pages that my "famousness" at ff.net appears in this thread somehow lol. Those silly little Ru/Sa writers... I'd use to love it when they'd use my characters in their own fics and when I'd get flames via e-mail because the person was too chicken to post on my review board. Let us not forget them crazy hoennshippers!

Good times. :) I think my rep at ff.net has died a bit though. 'Course, I wouldn't really know how everyone else thinks of me anyways.

........... yeah, but I think you still have loads of fans there, your fanfic even gets plagerized....

I know how plagerization feels.... and I can still find it even today......
 
Who doesn't love the weekend? Nobody, that's who! Start your weekend off right by reading a freshly squeezed (as of like 3 months ago) chapter of Everybody's (My friend, Everybody) favorite fic, Worlds Away! Look for a quote in my sig in a couple of minutes.

Chapter 10 is up! A quote from 9 is in the sig.
 
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*hides from SPPf awards complaints*

Err... well, I think the spirit is kinda different. In here, I tend not to get any reviews for most of my chapters - at the Serebiiforums, I have like two pages of replies per chapter. (Might have to do with the fact that I'm a mod there, but...) But there my one-shots tend to be very overlooked (and I jealously watch one-shots by for example Spectreon get five pages of replies while my newest one-shot only gets one). My one-shots usually get a few replies here... it's like people read shorter fics more and longer fics less here or something. Dunno...
 
I think that there is just a general lack of reviewers all together. The people that populate the fanfic forum here at PC are like all writers (that's what it seems like) and there are only like two reviewers (that I know of). I don't know, that's probably the reason that most peoples' fics don't get reviewed much or at all.
 
In theory, writers will also be "forced" to review others if they want to be reviewed and gain popularity. You also have to review other people's work in order for other people to have heard of your name. Also, you are "forced" to read others' work in order to improve your own writing, or to look for inspiration and so on. Sadly, post count hunters use fanfic forum as an easy way to mine off the numbers sometimes...

As for the "Green forum," they have a much bigger population, which means that a lot of fanfics are being published/updated every day. With so much fanfics, you can't possibly read them on. So you go by popularity, and look for names of famous authors who are rather promising in their quality of their work. It's rather understandable why that happens. In PC, it's more likely that less known authors get reviews because there's less choices to choose from, so readers can use the time to read fanfics by some less known writers as well. As for the length issue, there are tricks to determine when to update in order to get the most out of it.


@ Pocket Monster Chronicles ch. 7-12, Yamato-san

-k not going to do it by quotes as I think you're well enough to know what to look out for if I just point it out... it'll take too long ^^;

-a few titles can stand to use some change... there's a few of them that aren't so effective, and kinda blend. They don't exactly have the japanese Pokemon anime/manga title style either...

-Pro. Elm (or whatever his japanese name is O.o; )'s character is quite well done, except that when he questions Hiro about his Hiro taking Pokemon classes, his character "slipped" there as Elm suddenly lost all sense of his quickness and awareness to his observations... or maybe there was a sudden "lag" for him to recall how Hiro failed to use a Monster ball... that scenario there seemed to make Elm's character a bit inconsistent... slightly

-a few things end up being repeated due to the nature that this fanfic is trying a "bit" too hard to sound like a manga-in-text. For example, Hiro's clumsiness regarding the Monster ball seems to be rather repetitive. Hiro usually says something about it, then the almost exact same thing is being told to the readers again through stage direction. Preferably, Hiro's narration can be shortened in order to save some lines and leave the stage direction to do the description, instead of the whole thing being repeated side by side.

-The battles in PMC is just not as appealing as your other oneshot that I read before... The battle of Kiryuu and the other trainers isn't as thrilling as Sabonea's battle in your other oneshot. In here, it's just offensive attack vs offensive attack. In the other battle, the trainers are battling very realistically with many strategical moves, such as taking advantage of the terrain or supportive moves. Though it's understood that the trainers (who are suppose to be weak at battling, such as Hiro) uses pure offensive moves, the battle can be a lot better if the expert (Kiryuu) of the battle uses a mixture of various attacks in order to achieve an ultimate result in the battle. Pure offensive moves after offensive moves tend to get a bit boring.

-I'll personally think that you're being quite cautious to the point of slightly being paranoid about Hiro's character. Readers understand that Hiro is rather confused on his close attachment to Pokemon, as Hiro questions himself about it. However, it is also understood that this question will linger in his mind, unsolved, until some further events happen along the way. Therefore, there isn't really a need to repeat the same thinking process time after time for 3 chapters, or at least not in such details again in the later chapters. Right now it's slowing down your story a bit.

-very minor grammar problems, but they don't cause much of a problem at all

Good Points
-correct script format
-original way to start an OT
-humor

Future Improvements
-make battles more diverse in attack types
-reduce lag in story
-chapter titles

Title: 4/5
Grammar Basics: 10/10
Coherence/Readability: 10/10
Characterization: 17/20
Story Structure: 11/15
Tone/Atmosphere: 14/15
Diction: 18/20
Effort/Originality: 15/15
Lit. Device bonus: +1 (tension release)


total: 90
 
@ Four Friends to a New Beginning ch.1, Avegaille Spellman

-clich? title that will definitely scare readers away... it spells "OT" all over it, which generally repels readers. It's possibly too revealing as well. By default you know that "well it must be a story of 4 friends starting their own Pokemon adventure and then on to the badges." Even if this isn't the truth, the readers take it by default, and won't bother to click on this story to read it then.

It may seem that time had passed
be sure to be consistent on your verb tenses. Choose between past and present, and stick with one.

-*long cultural lesson alert*

possibly a misleading allusion/symbolism by naming your character's last name as "amethyst," which not only means a pretty purple colored stone but usually demonic/pagan, or unholy in nature. Amethyst means "remedy for intoxication" and some cults/religion used amethyst gems as a mean for treatment against diseases in the past, and such an act is considered "demonic" by the Catholic church, which influences the development of the English language and this is stuck with us today. In fact, any purple gems or stones aren't the most righteous in the old Catholic church, with has indirectly instructed our language to think in the same way. Since your writing's audiences are mostly from the western world, you may also have to put their tradition into account when you're dealing with anything that's possibly symbolic in nature. This is also the reason why if we have some oriental or Australian readers coming across this name, they'll consider the last name as totally suitable and fine. You must consider cultural background when you're writing.

She had short black hair and wore an orange T-shirt, a white hooded jacket and a black skirt.
It's good that you're inserting character development. Now we'll take it to the next level to go beyond acceptable level of fanfic writing. Don't do this anymore. Don't insert a whole paragraph or sentence of nothing but physical character descriptions. Always insert a bit of action verbs in order to keep the story flowing, or else the story seems to come to a stop at a "sidetrack." Physical descriptions should always be accompanied by some action verbs in order to reduce the boring aspect of physical description. Same thing applies to the later characters' entrance as well. Also, it is advices that you don't throw out every aspect of the characters' physical description at once as well. Chop it up and feed it to your readers bit by bit throughout the story, instead of all at the beginning.

?Well, okay, then,? Avegaille murmured out as she stood up. ?I?ll see you some other time then.?
A difficult thing to avoid, but do try your best. Here "then" is repeated here, and it sounds boring in terms of diction to use the same word so frequently.

Moving on? literally!
Understood that the pun is meant to be humorous, but at the same time you suddenly switched the story from 3rd narrative to 1st narrative for just 3 words, then back to 3rd narrative again... Don't switch narrative unless it's very important. Switching narratives have a dramatic effect on your story, and it can work both ways...

-some dialogues give you a really anime-feeling... in writings, some parts can be summarized and condensed as part of the narration, instead of forcing your characters to say everything, such as those "goodbyes" type of thing... condense your writing to have the least amount of words as you can in order to reduce length.

-just a note: "May Maples" is a common mistake in terms of "official" last names, similar to "Misty Waterflowers." It is just that the dubbers are saying things a bit too fast and it turned out similar to Maples when the judge of the Pokemon Competition is trying to say something else... Then some fanfic writers take that last name for May (just like what happened to Misty) and then everyone other writer copies and follow... o.o; just a note... it's fine to use that last name but it's NOT OFFICIAL >>;

-if you're trying to use the May from the anime for your May, then she isn't wearing a "white miniskirt" over her biker shorts. It's just a t-shirt of some kind that's not tucked in, or possibly the end of her red shirt is white... it's awfully too small to be even a miniskirt o.o;

-have no idea what's with the latias part...

He was currently being attacked by more than one Zigzagoon.
By not just say "attacked by a few Zigzagoons"? Try to be as fluent in your narration as possible. Hiring beta readers or proof read multiple amount of times will help.

-the battle was rather quick and short... It's similar to the anime where the hero/ine's Pokemon are invincible and one attack wipes out the opponent before they can do much of anything...

-the story is generally lacking in terms of emotional character development... the most we got out of is May being the devious one out of the four. The other three share the flawless personality which shouldn't exist at all. It makes your story feel like an anime production even more than it is already, and any fanfic that has the Pokemon-anime-style cannot possibly be a very good fanfic. Distance yourself from the anime as much as possible. Definitely and again, avoid "flawless characters."

-heavy giveaways are also not recommanded... if the readers are able to predict the outcome of the story early on, why bother reading on until the end? The story gives off heavy hints in terms of who's going to be with who in the future, set in stone... *Generally* romances in action/adventure fanfics come either instanteously, or gradually... in between of nowhere is not a good thing. (note: generally means that there are exceptions to the rule, but it's definitely very difficult to do so, and for now I'll recommand you to follow the general writing guides first)

-I'll stop off at chapter 1 as there's more than enough to work on until the next review already. As for the prediction from me before I start reading that this is definitely going to be an OT fanfic, I guess it's fulfilled then ^^; Therefore, the title must have been too revealing, and too much of a cliche, stereotypical OT.

Good Points
-beginning of character developments
-beginning of descriptions
-grammar are mostly correct

Future Improvements
-emotional character descriptions
-fix "OT errors"
-be more original; stay away from being "anime-style"

Title: 2/5
Grammar Basics: 9/10
Coherence/Readability: 9/10
Characterization: 8/20
Story Structure: 6/15
Tone/Atmosphere: 7/15
Diction: 8/20
Effort/Originality: 10/15
Lit. Device bonus: +0


total: 59
 
and through all of it, I still scored a 90 ^^.

Yeah, I'm not really certain on Hiro's character development at the moment, and I did feel I was repeating too much of it at times (and you're still gonna see this in the next few chapters). He's supposed to go from a person who was attached to his life at home to a guy who gains some interest in Pokemon, but I'm trying to make some effort to develop him as such without making it seem.... well, I'm still waiting to see if making a seperate thread for the old version's acceptable, but if you look at it, you'll see what I mean about not making seem like that. But right now, I'd consider my script to be a rough draft. I still intend to make this a doujinshi in the future, and I would like to finalize my storyline and dialogue as best I could by then. Any advice on his development would be greatly appreciated.

What do you mean by Pokemon anime/manga style? Are you suggesting I should be having "Vs. ???" like in Pocket Monsters Special? Or double titles like the anime? I don't know if you realize this, but I'm not going for a Pocket Monsters style in general, just a traditional manga chapter titling. Notice that in manga, there usually aren't double titles very often (like several anime are accustomed to doing). Also, the title manages to be basic, just briefly stating what the chapter is based around, very rarely being a pun.

All things considered, the bout with Kiryuu was pretty much the first battle in the series, and as I stated before, I am trying to portray him as a tough opponent. I figured I'd make it kinda basic stuff. There are gonna be several more battles throughout the story, that's a given, and several of those will use some heavy forms of strategy, some of which (the extremely important ones namely) I've had planned out in my head for a long time. For that matter, I do believe I already managed to think outside the box in finding a method to defeat Merriep in a recent chapter.
 
the title thing is like the titles aren't that special/exciting, and it's not particularly trying to score any form of allusions to current existing styles of titling a chapter either... that's what i meant by that.
 
*sigh*

And popularity goes well...

A sub mediocre poem gets "good job" and "it's deep" (Geez, now way is it deep!) while my poem in the poetry forum gets 2 comments... This place... argh... I'm tempted to close it... but I'm sure there's no reason for that... geez...
 
lol... for the first time i glanced at the poem, and they are indeed... "not too good." =p (YAY LET'S CAP half THE POEM FOR EMPHASIS purposes, WITH random UNDERLINES!!!!) >>;

But then again all those review pages are accumulation from the same 2 or 3 people continously posting, so not sure if it actually counts as popular ^^;



@ Chains, by Dragonfree

It raised its head again, its blank, colorless eyes meeting her big, deep green ones.
Probably a semicolon should be used after again instead of the comma.

... very unattractive. The skeletal look of the starved body, the bulgy fingers
After attractive, I "think" that a colon should be used there instead of the period... not sure if I'm right with the correction, but I'm certain that this needs to be changed.

The creature stared emptily at the flood of whitish-blond hair that flowed down her back.
This one the readers aren't too clear about just whose whitish-blond hair is the narration talking about? Though the readers eventually will understand that it's Mary (provided that they know the full feature of a Mewtwo), the readers still have to do a lot of work into figuring such a simple fact out. There definitely needs to be more clarity here.

-now for the sake of motif, i'll recommand you to choose either "raise" or "life" and stick with one only for the purpose of reinforcing this symbol... it's a great one, but it can be even greater if the diction is consistent

-watch out for having incomplete sentences... if it's a clause of a sentence, let it join with another sentence.

Yes, he told himself, the world was better when Mewtwo was chained in a secured chamber to die.
one of those tricky moments... this line reflects the man's thoughts, and therefore the verbs in this line should be in present tense actually. It's like in a dialogue you almost always use only present tenses...

-only problem is perhaps the name chosen... "Mary" is a very debatable name rather if it's a suitable name for the girl or not. Though we do think of Virgin Mary who is associated with kindness and holiness always, there's some great evils out there such as Bloody Mary who's associated with the name. The name "mary" itself in meaning is equally vague, meaning either "sea of bitterness" or "love" (talk about extremes...) The girl plays a vitally important role for this story, and the name definitely has to be less vague in terms of what she is suppose to symbolize... Name plays a very important role in terms of symbols. For example, the dubbers of Pokemon made a brilliant choice to call the leader of Team Rocket "Giovanni," meaning "of the wolves." (and wolves are always evil in terms of symbols)

-some of the other mistakes exist and the other reviewers pointed them out already

Most errors are related to grammatical mistakes, otherwise this fanfic is a great piece of work. Though disguised as a simple and direct fanfic, this very condensed story shows the author's viewpoints on some deep and fundamental aspects of today's world- including innocense, fear, understanding and forgiveness. Carefully structured with excellent story design, this story deserves great recognition among all Pokemon fanfics.

Good Points
-Unoriginal ideas reworked to be original once again
-Good usage of diction. Well done!
-Sigificant improvement in story structure

Focuses to Improve On
-Grammar, especially punctuations. For a writer at your rank, these things shouldn't exist on such a frequent basis.
-name choosing

Title: 5/5
Grammar Basics: 7/10
Coherence/Readability: 9/10
Characterization: 20/20 {Excellent!}
Story Structure: 14/15
Tone/Atmosphere: 14/15
Diction: 18/20
Effort/Originality: 15/15
Lit. Device bonus: +5 (symbol, motif, theme, repetition, Mewtwo audio drama allusion)


total: 97 {STANDARD OF EXCELLENCE!}

-replaced "Sunset Beach" for Dragonfree's Standard of Excellence award winning fanfic
 
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frostweaver said:
Probably a semicolon should be used after again instead of the comma.
I don't think so... if it were just "The creature raised its head again, its eyes meeting her deep green ones," it would have a comma, not a semicolon, so it doesn't seem like it would be a semicolon suddenly because there are a few more commas in the sentence... it doesn't sound right with a semicolon to me, at least the way it's structured now, but it would work as "The creature raised its head again; its blank, colorless eyes met her big, deep green ones."

After attractive, I "think" that a colon should be used there instead of the period... not sure if I'm right with the correction, but I'm certain that this needs to be changed.
Hmm, I don't think it would be right with a colon, but it doesn't really sound right this way either. I might change that a bit.

This one the readers aren't too clear about just whose whitish-blond hair is the narration talking about? Though the readers eventually will understand that it's Mary (provided that they know the full feature of a Mewtwo), the readers still have to do a lot of work into figuring such a simple fact out. There definitely needs to be more clarity here.
Yeah, probably. The creature/Mewtwo is always referred to as "it", though, so there is no other she in there.

-now for the sake of motif, i'll recommand you to choose either "raise" or "life" and stick with one only for the purpose of reinforcing this symbol... it's a great one, but it can be even greater if the diction is consistent
*is confused* Huh?

one of those tricky moments... this line reflects the man's thoughts, and therefore the verbs in this line should be in present tense actually. It's like in a dialogue you almost always use only present tenses...
It's not supposed to be his direct thoughts, though, really... it would have been if it had been in italics, but it wasn't...

-only problem is perhaps the name chosen... "Mary" is a very debatable name rather if it's a suitable name for the girl or not. Though we do think of Virgin Mary who is associated with kindness and holiness always, there's some great evils out there such as Bloody Mary who's associated with the name. The name "mary" itself in meaning is equally vague, meaning either "sea of bitterness" or "love" (talk about extremes...) The girl plays a vitally important role for this story, and the name definitely has to be less vague in terms of what she is suppose to symbolize... Name plays a very important role in terms of symbols. For example, the dubbers of Pokemon made a brilliant choice to call the leader of Team Rocket "Giovanni," meaning "of the wolves." (and wolves are always evil in terms of symbols)
Hmm, I never think that much about the names I give to people... any suggestions that would work better?


*is overall really flattered to have two Standards of Excellence*
 
wow...is this about some sort of fic that someone wrote? i think i missed all of that...
 
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