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Im gonna have to side with Billy on the issue of canon. I believe a fanfiction is a story concerning a certain anime/game/blah blah. I dont nessearacily believe that you have to be tied down to all rules set by it, the power of ones imagination is amazing and it should not have to be held back completely. If it gets too bad like to a point where Celebi and Jirachi sit in their house and watch tv all day and eat cookies, I think thats where its gone too far out of the fanfiction limits. Far as Im concernerd your imagination should be allowed to treat the subject with VERY far limits.




Just wondering, what is concerned too much dialgoue in battling? In my battles I typcially tend to have the pokemon trash talk each other while they battle, not really the trainers.
 
to a point where Celebi and Jirachi sit in their house and watch tv all day and eat cookies,

Oh crap, that's chapter 6...JUST KIDDING, but I'm glad to see that someone sees where I'm coming from. I mean, otherwise, I'd already have most of my story written for me...that's not cool.

And with dialogue in battle: I can't remember if that was part of the F.O.D. review or not (prolly not because there wasn't a battle in there yet), but I say as long as it gets the job done. Eh.

countenance is usually associated with the demonic and the fellow ugly... so wrong word choice here in terms of connotation.

And I forgot to say this before, but I was not aware of that connotation at all. Interesting. I wonder where you found that, though, because I can't seem to. I looked up the etymology of the word, and no such thing was mentioned. I've never seen the word used in a situation that would suggest anything "demonic" either. Very interesting, indeed.
 
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Well, much as I just love practical conversations about whether fictional demi-gods should be able to speak english or not, I have a question.

I'm thinking about writing a pure humor fic(yes, I'll continue writing my other one, but the laughs just beg to be let out), and was wondering, what clich?s/stereotypes/whatever have you noticed in the wonderful world of Pok?mon?

On second thought, make that anywhere.

So far, I've discovered several:

1. Friendly, sweet Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Oddish, etc.(the manga Pikachu doesn't count, 'cause it's more of an anomaly)
2. Teams of three trainers that have an intense need to save the world
3. An 00b3revil team bent on taking over the world and is totally cruel to everything, especially Pok?mon
4. Peewee Leagues that my deceased great-great-great grandmother can still beat
5. The rival is the arrogant one, not the hero/es
6. Farmers are total hicks with Texan accents

What have ya'll noticed?

?SilverBlaze09?

P.S. Whoops, almost forgot the hero/ine that the Legendaries choose as the 'chosen one of today because they look chosen or something interesting like that maybe they just don't want to be the chosen one but too bad 'cause everybody wishes that especially me so that's why I'm choosing it so I don't hafta do all the saving'.
 
Celebi and Jirachi can actually sit in a house watching TV and throw popcorn at each other IF the fanfic got a proper reason to bend this rule of the canon. Set out the mood to be a parody or humor, and the tone will be the fanfic's self defense to why this part of the canon is changed. I never said it cannot be changed, just that it can only be changed if the story is able to defend itself regarding why the change. The F.O.D failed to do so.

There are plenty of fanfics with Ash being a serial killer for example and that's a drastic change compare to the canonical Ash. However, most of those stories are able to provide a sufficient insight to why such a dramatic change in Ash's life and attitude, making it acceptable for such a change. (Codename: ASHURA for example... Ash often goes on mass murder spree, but it's all for the defense for those he care about, or so he mistakens the situation to be at least)

As for countenance, here let me quote how they're used in real famous literatures...

"I will tell you," answered Sancho; "it was because I have been looking at you for some time by the light of the torch held by that unfortunate, and verily your worship has got of late the most ill-favoured countenance I ever saw: it must be either owing to the fatigue of this combat, or else to the want of teeth and grinders. ~Don Quixote

The parts operated upon were the eyelids, where a longitudinal streak, like the one which adorned Kory-Kory, crossed the countenance of the victim. ~Typee

And am I answerable that thoughtless and unprincipled men exist, whose shades of countenance may resemble mine? ~Last of the Mohicans

All three cases talk of ill behaviors, victims or immoral men, which all cases the word is used in a negative sense. Countenance isn't a "good" word.


As for Silverblaze09, there's plenty of stereotypical Pokemon fanfic material to poke fun at... the professor's house choosing the 3 Pokemon, the team setup to be 2 guys, 1 girl (girls are always at an odd number amount... it's either 1, 3 or 5 for some reason, besides those that got a total team of all girls), legendary playing world heroes role, etc etc...
 
Did I PM you a request FW? I can't remember... @_@ I didn't know if you hadn't updated your siggy or I'd forgotten. -.-;
 
I still don't think that anyone else gets that connotation from the word, but it's not worth arguing about. Just because you found a couple of passages where it's used in a negative situation doesn't really mean much as I've seen plenty of examples where it was used neutrally or positively.

Silverblaze - another cliche you could use would probably be something about parents/relatives dying as a motive for revenge against the evil team. This is used in popular hero stories such as; spiderman, batman, superman, heroman, awesomechick, and even lameo.
 
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No I don't have a PM from you about fanfic review... either that, or you didn't name your PM something along the line of "fanfic review" so it went out the garbage can along with my other stuff when I needed to clean my box.

(yeah people please don't name your request PM "hmm" for a fanfic review... -_-; )

I double checked countenance, and did find another connotation... "official moral support." If an authority is showing a face of approval/moral support, then countenance can also be used.

Silverblaze09 do have a point... there's only 80% of all Pokemon darkfics out there that involve legendary Pokemon playing superior superheroes role... or some part of saving the world. I mean... when's the last time you see Rayquaza or Mew saving the world in comparison to say... Raticate and Zubat saving the world?

btw... what's wrong with woman? Half of the planet is covered by them afterall.
 
Take out the synopsis and I'm sure that can help quite a bit... why bother reading the story if we got half of everything from the synopsis...
 
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Take out the synopsis and I'm sure that can help quite a bit... why bother reading the story if we got half of everything from the synopsis...


You make a good point, but I left the main part of the story out. I was basically looking for feedback to see whether people would read it or not, mainly because I don't usually write fanfics, but original stories.

I got some positive feedback from PE2K (basically just saying "write it, yeah, it's read it") so I started.

But don't worry, it doesn't give away anything that I really have planned. ;)

And doesn't Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet start of by telling you that the two heoes are going to die? Sorry if my memory's off, but I remember in sixth grade my teacher telling me that his revealing of the ending made it more tragic, because throughout the play you knew what was going happen yet hoped that it wouldn't as you learned to love the characters.

Not saying that mine's anything like that, though, heh.
 
the entire story of Romeo and Juliet *starts* at the end, and the rest of the story is flashback I think, judging from what you've said. I haven't read it myself. You read Romeo and Juliet to see how did they get to where they are.

In your case, these are information before the story begins, and that makes all the difference.
 
Like I said, mine's nothing like it. Just reminded me of it.
 
Just for the record, I am a SHE. Jeebus, you get a little opinionated and they think you're a man.

As for the whole canon debate, the fact of the matter is canon is how it is. It's just like life: things /are/. The sky is blue, dammit. If you want to change it, fine. Just give me a thought-out reason and I won't complain.

As for pokemon talking... the show is crud. We all know it bends itself to create a measly plot. Pokemon have their own language. Unless they have an uber-reason for teaching themselves to talk-- as meowth did-- I don't see why they'd sacrifice all their 'learnings' (to quote our fair anime) to speak like people.

Oh, and Ionem, just for the record, I didn't read your fic because that whole character biography at the beginning turned me off. If you need to do that, what does that say to me about how good of a writer you are? Admittedly, you thought this out, but I find it pointless. It you are going to write something, do it. Don't try to weasel out because you're worried people won't love it or something. No one wants the whole thing laid out before them.
 
ActOnThat said:
Oh, and Ionem, just for the record, I didn't read your fic because that whole character biography at the beginning turned me off. If you need to do that, what does that say to me about how good of a writer you are? Admittedly, you thought this out, but I find it pointless. It you are going to write something, do it. Don't try to weasel out because you're worried people won't love it or something. No one wants the whole thing laid out before them.

Wow, that's not nasty.

Did you rad my explanation? I usually write the character things for myself, so as I go along I can make references back to it to keep me on track. So, "what does that say to me about how good of a writer I am?" It says that I care about my characters enough to write myself guidelines so I don't lose track of them, so I continually get their personalities right as I reference my bios, and so I don't get confused. If you think that because I care about my characters enough tow rite guides for them makes me a bad writer, then that's your loss. Maybe you should look into your own style.

And how can you say that I'm a bad writer just because of my organization habits? You didn't even bother to read the story.

I post them because I write them, so I'd figure I'd share, and to get some feedback. For example, if a character would turn somebody off, I would change the character before the story begins in order to make the story more enjoyable to the readers.

I made sure to not give away the story in any way. All I posted was the beginning and the teams of the characters (and as of now the prologue).

If you really care that much, just say it and I'll edit it out so you can read it on your own terms.

And it's not a way for me to "weasel out" of anything. I really take writing seriously and if I need to spoil some aspects of the story to get some honest feedback to make the story as best as I can, then it's worth it, because feedback will help me on as I continue my career.
 
I think what they're all trying to say is that if you wanna do THAT, just put it on a file on your computer or something, not in the fic. It kinda wrecks the story for those who read it.

Make up another MSWord file for them or something.

?SilverBlaze09?
 
Did you rad my explanation? I usually write the character things for myself, so as I go along I can make references back to it to keep me on track. So, "what does that say to me about how good of a writer I am?" It says that I care about my characters enough to write myself guidelines so I don't lose track of them, so I continually get their personalities right as I reference my bios, and so I don't get confused. If you think that because I care about my characters enough tow rite guides for them makes me a bad writer, then that's your loss. Maybe you should look into your own style.

Joy, you write yourself guidelines. :has a party?: I don't see what notes to yourself has anything to do with giving all of this to us before the fact. It just cuts out characterization for the reader. And, honestly, I've seen tons of fics with stuff like this at the beginning. Does it make a wrier good? Not necessarily. Mostly it /is/ just a tool to bypass characterization. I'm being totally honest in saying that is what I thought it was when I began to scroll over it, so I hit the back button. Personally, I like to keep track of my characters in my head; I don't need to write them down to remeber anything. I have a good memory, so sue me o.o;;

And how can you say that I'm a bad writer just because of my organization habits? You didn't even bother to read the story.

I didn't say you were a bad writer o.o;; You can argue with me, I don't much mind, but don't put words in my mouth -_-' In fact, I said it all looked well-thought-out when I did read some of the prologue.

I post them because I write them, so I'd figure I'd share, and to get some feedback. For example, if a character would turn somebody off, I would change the character before the story begins in order to make the story more enjoyable to the readers.

This is a matter of personal opinion, so don't bite my head off please, but I just don't think introducing characters (even amazing, great ones) like that profits anyone. As for a character turning someone off, that's no reason to change them. I've disliked characters, but that doesn't mean they should be totally removed. There's a degree to which you should write for your audience, but letting them influence your characters like that isn't necessarily a good thing :/.

I made sure to not give away the story in any way. All I posted was the beginning and the teams of the characters (and as of now the prologue).

If it doesn't tell you anything about the plot why'd you post it for feedback? I think I missed the point there. I don't really care about spoilers, I just have a real peeve with character intros. Again, though, you shouldn't twist your plot just because someone doesn't like it.

If you really care that much, just say it and I'll edit it out so you can read it on your own terms.

:shrug: It's your preogative. If you want it there, keep it. Again (again), you shouldn't do things just because a reviewer says so.

And it's not a way for me to "weasel out" of anything. I really take writing seriously and if I need to spoil some aspects of the story to get some honest feedback to make the story as best as I can, then it's worth it, because feedback will help me on as I continue my career.

The best you can do shouldn't be based this much on what others want, should it? Your prose is your prose, regardless of what I say. Grammar and canon and such is different, as there are set rules, but the rest is interpretation, including this. That's why I never understand why people get so mad and touchy about concrits. You (not you personally) asked for my opinion, and I gave it. Don't bite my head of because it's not the same as yours o.o;;

As for being serious about writing, I am as well, which is why people hate me... er, I concrit like I do. I don't understand how people can write without caring. :shrugagain:

But I'll view it how I view it. No matter how much you yell at me, it's not going to change the fact that my though while scrolling was, "Great, another one who sets the characters out before you." So all the n00bs and crapfic have jaded me a bit. Oh, well.
 
You make good points, and because you're right in that this is all opinion, I'll let it go.

But first...

So all the n00bs and crapfic have jaded me a bit.

You've got a point there, too. That sentence basically made me decide to like you now (instead of my initial reaction). :D

I used to mod at a writing forum elsewhere (well, technicaly I still do :x), and nearly everything was crap. I spent hours writing all these long, detailed crits for people, who in turn just ended up flaming me for hating their stories. :\

I guess it made me develop a sort of elitist attitude, which is a flaw I admit to quite quickly. I always end up starting debates over little things, like how you didn't like that I posted my character summaries.

As for being serious about writing, I am as well, which is why people hate me... er, I concrit like I do. I don't understand how people can write without caring. :shrugagain:

That, too, made me like you now. Hell, we have different views on one little thing, but you care about writing as much as I do. :D

No more hate.

Now, if I were to send you a PM for a concrit (because I've already said how much I'd like feedback on my story), would you go for it, or not because of all this?
 
A request's a request :) :shrugness: I can't guaruntee I'll get to it too soon, but sure, it'll be up there on my list.

Do you hang out at ff.net? Concritting there is like a waste of life force (yet I do...).
 
ActOnThat said:
Do you hang out at ff.net? Concritting there is like a waste of life force (yet I do...).

Actually, I made an accoutn today to post my story but it seems I have to ait three days. :(
 
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