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Dark Azelf

Dark Azelf

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    Intro :
    Well to be honest this team was actually was sort of a mistake, Aquilae brought up Curselax and so we tried to build a team around it. At first we though Curselax sucked, myself included, however the success of this team has greatly changed my opinion of it. Curselax is a very underated threat and is still capable of sweeping alot of unprepared teams. We tried and tested many things but this version was the best.

    Team Overview
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    Skarmory@Shed Shell ** Vance
    252 HP / 224 Def / 32 Spd
    Impish nature
    Trait : Keen Eye
    - Taunt
    - Spikes
    - Roost
    - Brave Bird

    Comments:
    Taunt Skarm either destroys leads or he gets destroyed by them. Its the slow leads i am concerned with stopping and he doesnt have priority with the faster ones anyway. Taunt Skarm is really good, getting Spikes up is actually pretty easy with this guy. He pretty much goes rofl at junk like Hippowdon, Swampert and other set up fodder leads. Brave Bird gets stab and smacks around guys like Gyarados well who this team has a lil trouble with. Spikes help this team immensly as it wears down most of Curselax's counters, things like Tyranitar mainly are all severly hindered by the iron birds Spikes. Anyways Taunt is chosen over Whirlwind because this team doesnt have a spinner so limiting the chances they can set up entry hazards on me helps alot. The speed evs dont accomplish muc tbh they just ensure i beat all the stuff that tries to beat min/just above skarm. Shed Shell is because Magnezone is a punk. I called him Vance because he enjoys Taunting noobs and its amuzing to watch them struggle, kinda like Ninjask lol.

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    Celebi@Leftovers **Sims
    252 HP / 252 Def /6 Spd
    Bold Nature
    Trait : Natural Cure
    - Grass Knot
    - Recover
    - Leech Seed / Heal Bell
    - Stealth Rock

    Comments:
    My personal Celebi set and our next layer of residual damage, Stealth Rock. Celebi is one of the sturdiest users of the move and has many chances to set it up Skarmory is crowded enough as it is. Grass Knot gets STAB whilst Recover is needed for healing and what a fantastic move it is. With Skarmory, this is my Gyarados defense and they do very well against it. Leech Seed is mainly to deter Pursuit users and it works decently at doing that, not like it matters because Celebi takes 60% MAX from CB Scizors Pursuit so isnt that much of an issue imo since i can easily Recover later and CB Tar cant switch in and gets 2hko'd by Grass Knot and "lol weavile" who gets outstalled with Seed + Recover stalling no matter what it does (apart from sd obv). Leech Seed also has fantastic synergy with Snorlax as Celebi can seed a switch in like Heatran/Latias etc and then lax gets free healing, additionally Leech support just works and supports the team and stops junk like mence/latias coming in for free (which is why im not using HP Fire), Aquilae uses Heal Bell but i soon dropped it because too much stuff was coming in for free. Celebi is called sims because of the torrid time my sub seed gave sims every time i battled him back in the day on wifi, which made him hate it haha.

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    Gengar@Life Orb / Leftovers ** Pokedra / Wolflare
    252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 6 HP
    Timid Nature
    Trait : Levitate
    - Shadow Ball
    - Focus Blast
    - Hidden Power [Fire]
    - Protect

    Comments:
    Our rather offensive anti spin, the reason we chose Gengar was because he makes a great infernape/luke check and immediately threatens most common spinners. Gengar also benefits from the residual damage as with 3 layers of Spikes + SR + 2 LO Focus Blasts (one on the switch) = one dead Calm 176 S.Def Blissey. Shadow Ball is for stab and Focus Blast is for coverage and hits T-Tar etc. Hidden Power Fire gives us an accurate way to beat Lucario, Forretress and Scizor. Protect is on this slot on "MysticGar" as it gives us a heads up vs Pursuit. Imagine this scenario, Scizor switches into a Gengar Shadow Ball now you are screwed right ? If you stay in you lose to Bullet Punch and if you switch you lose to Pursuit. Not with Protect you dont as it gives you a heads up so if they BP you you can switch (to Magnezone lol) and if they Pursuit you can hit them with HP Fire, so Gengar is a cute lure of sorts too. Overall i love this set and its definately one of if not THE best Gengar sets, DONT LET SCIZOR PUT YOU OFF USING GENGAR in HGSS/DPPt. Hp Fire also 2hko's all Metagross switch ins. I called this guy Pokedra / Wolflare because they seem both very Pursuit bait members ! lol

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    Hariyama@Leftovers ** Lala
    76 HP/96 Atk/228 Def/108 SDef
    Impish Nature
    Trait : Thick Fat
    - Force Palm
    - Ice Punch / Stone Edge
    - Rest
    - Sleep Talk

    Comments:
    Our first fatty on the team. This was originally was a Machamp but i noticed that Heatran 6-0'd us if Snorlax died so this serves as back up, he also walls the crap out of T-Tar and Weavile, 2 issues for this team and also can tak on Mixape 1 vs one in a pinch. Hariyama also takes status for us with Rest and Sleep Talk and just tanks away in general (dont let this defensive approach fool you, Hariyama still hits quite hard with spread, it did 25% to Ooka's Tomb with the weak Ice Punch which is quite impressive imo). Force Palm stops us being set up fodder whilst asleep with its sexy paralysis rate, spreading paralysis also helps Snorlax to an extent, its kinda funny to see Gyarados and Mence get utterly screwed. Second attacking move is up for grabs, i noticed Taunt Gliscor was an issue so im currently using Ice Punch, this also immediately threatens the dragons and lets us beat things like bulkymence 1 vs one and forces mence to Outrage us so we can lure it and go to a steel type which is a cute little game i like to play. Though i do have HP ice on Zone and also Gengar to threaten Gliscor so Stone Edge could be used, but i honestly prefer Ice Punch. The ev spread is my personal one, 76 hp/108 s.def makes Heatrans LO Fire Blast a 3hko enough attack to not be set up fodder (300) and the rest in def with an impish nature to buffer hits from Tar etc. Hariyama is called Lala because like Lala he has Thick Fat, has moobs and is a sumo (i.e loves noodles). ^_^

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    Magnezone/Magneton@Choice Scarf ** Luke / Aura
    4 Atk / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Naive Nature
    Trait : Magnet Pull
    - Thunderbolt
    - Hidden Power [Fire/Ice]
    - Flash Cannon
    - Explosion

    Comments:
    Magnezone/Magneton is here because it helps remove many roadblocks for this team, the main 3 targets are Scizor, Skarmory and Lucario who each in their own way post threats to a curselax sweep. Only handling Skarmory is up the main selling point though because predictiong when they other 3 will come in is easy with Snorlax as he packs Fire Punch now so im using Hidden Power Ice for those noob Taunt Gliscors, this also helps me actually check dragons even without SR up. Thunderbolt already does more to Luke than HP Fire and im sure Scizor is not gonna shrug it off, that and denting it is all thats needed anyway, though i could switch to Fire but meh and Flash Cannon is for STAB/filler. Explosion is Explosion and is always a good move, this really helps eliminate/lure Blissey and Latias, the main wishers so wearing down junk is pretty easy if we can pull it off. This + Hariyama stop last poke sweeps (cune + Lax) along with Skarm because he has Taunt so i have plenty of tools to stop them. Im heavily considering switching to Magneton however, that extra speed boost is REALLY helpful especially against, all be it rare, junk like NP and also Lead azelf (>:/). Magneton being able to outrun max speed Adamant DD Gyara after a dd looks appealing. I called him Luke/Aura for a number of reasons, Lukes ability to "trap" noobs/trolls and own them (see: mobile/boo/etc) and Aura because he is a "Magnet" for that girl that he hates even though she likes him and she wont leave him alone (she is a weight lifter) ROFL!

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    Snorlax@Leftovers ** Anti
    168 HP / 120 Def / 220 S.Def
    Careful Nature
    Trait : Thick Fat
    - Curse
    - Body Slam
    - Fire Punch
    - Rest

    Comments:
    Our second fatty of the team, and the member the whole team is based around, Snorlax. When Aquilae brought this i was like "rofl curselax, fail" however he has FAR surpassed my expectations and is really good at this point in the metagame and although it is no longer on par with ubers like in GSC or ADV the number of sweeps i have gotten with it kinda scary. This team tries to cause problems to what ever stops curselax sweeping as possible, entry hazards, phazer trapping/luring, scizor luke etc removal. Rest IS risky but ive found that with ~2 curses (which is easy to get) not much threatens him whilst sleeping so he can actually afford to use Rest effectively (though Aquilae still uses Heal Bell. Rest is even more appealing because this is one of THE best Rotom/Sub Tran counters in the game, period so healing status is awesome. Body Slam screws up its common counters as always and allows us some breathing room when Cursing. Fire Punch is the best coverage move to use in that slot, it causes problems for everything that is meant to counter/check Curselax except Tyranitar who wont be a problem when it keeps switching in and out of entry hazards, which is usually the case lol. I highly reccommend this guy out and he fits in with stall fantastically and is imo better than than Rest-Talk lax and just a bit better than offensive lax. Although Snorlax is meant to be lackluster as a wall in D/P he can still more than make up for his shortcomings if you support him well and i have had no problems with him allegedly not being avle to take hits well (hint : he does, extremely). I called him Anti for obvious reasons, BECAUSE HE IS LARGE ! lol

    Former member which we tried : Honchkrow >> Hariyama, but Tar destroyed us =[. We also tried Weavile W/Knock off >> Hariyama to lure in and Knock Off Skarmorys Shed Shell (as you can guess this didnt work lol).

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    - Scizor: CB versions dislike Skarmory, Spikes make it difficult for it so come in. Magnezone eats it too.

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    - Latias: Snorlax is a good check, and can paralyze it with Body Slam. The defensive versions are Skarm fodder. Magnezone takes trick and can blow up on it or hit it with HP Ice.
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    - Tyranitar: Hariyama is the best counter here.

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    - Metagross: The can be a problem, but not really. The lead is Skarm bait, Agility versions wear them selves out with LO recoil and Skarm/Leech Seed beet it. CB loses to Magezone.
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    - Gyarados: Celebi and Skarm do great here, Magneton can revenge kill adamant ones too.
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    - Skarmory: Magnezone eliminates non Shed Shell ones. If it IS a Shed Shell version i try and get it paralyzed and Seeded to stall it. Not really a problem though tbh.
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    - Heatran: Snorlax and Hariyama beat pretty much all versions.
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    - Magnezone Not really an issue, only my own Magnezone is trapped but still lol.
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    - Rotom-a: Cureselax Fodder, Magnezone takes the Trick scarfs/specs.
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    - Jirachi: Snorlax takes submind. Physical is annoying, but Magnezone traps it and Skarm can Spike on it.
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    - Lucario: Gengar is a cool check, Magnezone revenge kills to.
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    - Starmie: Snorlax says sup, Magneton/Zone can revenge kill too.
    Fat Anti Sw33ps! (this is a much better title than before, actually)
    - Azelf: Leads are idiots, hence why im considering Magneton to outspeed it, ughh.
    Fat Anti Sw33ps! (this is a much better title than before, actually)
    -     Infernape : Gengar is a decent check and Zone can revenge, Hariyama is a awesome check too.
    Fat Anti Sw33ps! (this is a much better title than before, actually)
    - Blissey: Hariyama, Snorlax fodder and also Skarm bait. Celebi can stall her out with seed too.
    Fat Anti Sw33ps! (this is a much better title than before, actually)
    - Bronzong: Skarmory easily sets up Spikes on it, Celebi can too.
    Fat Anti Sw33ps! (this is a much better title than before, actually)
    - Celebi: Skarm, Curselax my own Celebi can set up SR on it. Gengar too actually.
    Fat Anti Sw33ps! (this is a much better title than before, actually)
    - Swampert: Taunt Skarm destroys this, so does Celebi.
    Fat Anti Sw33ps! (this is a much better title than before, actually)
    - Roserade: I have Hariyama take the sleep and then Snorlax. Toxic Spike dont do much to this team tbh.

    Fat Anti Sw33ps! (this is a much better title than before, actually)
    - Salamence: Magnezone checks mix (OHKO'S with T-Bolt with sr up) and so does lax. DD is MADE to Outrage by going to Celebi/Hariyama/Gengar and then to Skarm. If they choose D-Claw >> Outrage, good luck with Hariyama. If they choose D-Claw >> F-Blast good luck with Skarm, if they choose D-Claw >> EQ then they cant OHKO Zone iirc and they suck lol.
    Fat Anti Sw33ps! (this is a much better title than before, actually)
    - Gengar: Snorlax is a good check here, Magnezone can also revenge well.
    Fat Anti Sw33ps! (this is a much better title than before, actually)
    - Suicune: For the most part aka CroCune "lol Celebi" Calm Cune is Lax fodder, Magnezone can nail it with T-Bolts too.
    Fat Anti Sw33ps! (this is a much better title than before, actually)
    - Forretress: Gengar can spinblock, with precautions against Payback though which is easy to predict. Trapped by Magnezone too without a Shed Shell.
    Fat Anti Sw33ps! (this is a much better title than before, actually)
    - Vaporeon: Is pretty easily handle with Celebi, Magnezone and also Snorlax.
    Fat Anti Sw33ps! (this is a much better title than before, actually)
    - Zapdos: Snorlax is pretty awesome here.
    Fat Anti Sw33ps! (this is a much better title than before, actually)
    - Kingdra: Dangerous Pokemon. Skarm can nail it with Brave Bird, Celebi can seed stall it (sub dd is weak) and Hariyama and Zone can hurt it and live at least one boosted hit.
    Fat Anti Sw33ps! (this is a much better title than before, actually)
    - Aerodactyl: lol, but Hariyama is good against it. But users seriously, congrats wasting a team slot ? lol
    Fat Anti Sw33ps! (this is a much better title than before, actually)
    - Gliscor: Hariyama @ Ice Punch, also Magnezone can hit it with HP Ice.
    Fat Anti Sw33ps! (this is a much better title than before, actually)
    - Mamoswine: Skarm, Celebi etc.
    Fat Anti Sw33ps! (this is a much better title than before, actually)
    - Snorlax: Skarmory can set up Spikes and Taunt it. Hariyama can Force Palm it and Celebi can Seed it. Gengar walls EQ versions.
    Fat Anti Sw33ps! (this is a much better title than before, actually)
    - Empoleon: Lead Empoleon loses to Snorlax. SubPetaya Empoleon, does too.
    Fat Anti Sw33ps! (this is a much better title than before, actually)
    - Hippowdon: Hi, my name is Skarmory. I can Spike and can Taunt you. Hi, my name is Celebi. I can Grass Knot/Seed you. Gengar also kills it well.
    Fat Anti Sw33ps! (this is a much better title than before, actually)
    - Weavile: Is beaten solidly by Skarmory and Magneton.
    Fat Anti Sw33ps! (this is a much better title than before, actually)
    - Jolteon: Snorlax !!!
    Fat Anti Sw33ps! (this is a much better title than before, actually)
    - Smeargle: lol, Hariyama take sleep and zone kills to stop it setting up too much.
    Fat Anti Sw33ps! (this is a much better title than before, actually)
    - Cresselia: Spiking + SRing fodder, Curselax fodder.
    Fat Anti Sw33ps! (this is a much better title than before, actually)
    - Abomasnow : lol, Skarm + revenge mainly. Hariyama does well too.
    Fat Anti Sw33ps! (this is a much better title than before, actually)
    - Machamp: I dislike fighting this Pokemon. Skarm and Celebi do a good job though.

    Conclusion:
    Overall this team has been very fun and as said has changed my opionion of curselax drastically and has shown it still works when supported well.

    However i feel there are issues with this team, mainly that lead sash Fire Blast suicide Azelf are really annoying to play around. ~_~ Id love some help fixing that so if anyone could, that would be great. I mean Azelf is always gonna be annoying for stall but id at least like something that can take ONE hit from it and even if its just being able to check it that would go along way. Scarf Jirachi or Scarf or even defensive Heatran (he can also PHaze or even rest talk and i can put Whirlwind on Hari as it opens up slots as it no longer needs to take our status lol but at the same time T-Spikes would sink Hariyama without Rest =[..) >> Zone? Idk :s so yeah that is the main issue. I mean since zone isnt as required as we once thought.

    Other than the aformentioned, we havent had many issues with anything in particular, but as always if you can spot anything please feel to state it.

    Rate away. ^_^
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    Oh and Aqui if you want anything added lemme know. (b'-')b Sorry i posted it so fast haha, but if you wanna do comments pm them to me and ill add them. <3
     
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    .Aero

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    This team lacks me. :/ And it lacks a Rapid Spin Starmie. D:

    (This part is for Loeb if he reads it): Lack of Aero on team I see. Starmie of the Spinning Rapidness is also not in my sight. Needs to fix because weak to SR.
     

    Ev Trainer X

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    Wait, shouldn't you get something for fire types other than Stone Edge on Hari? Because three members of your team are weak to fire. Sure, you got SR too, but once Celebi's gone and SR is spun away, you're looking at some trouble.
     
    Dark Azelf

    Dark Azelf

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    Ev Trainer X said:
    Wait, shouldn't you get something for fire types other than Stone Edge on Hari?

    what ?

    Because three members of your team are weak to fire.

    Irrelevant because i cover the fire weakness.

    Sure, you got SR too, but once Celebi's gone and SR is spun away, you're looking at some trouble.

    They cant spin with Gengar.
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    Yeah.................................................
     

    Calum.

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    The team is good, although I question the attack EVs for Hariyama, because they seem random.

    48 Spe on Hariyamam wil outspeed Blissey and 4 Spe Machamp, so that could be something to think about.

    Not much else I can say, good team x]
     
    Dark Azelf

    Dark Azelf

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    Well they are random but they just let me do a lil damage when called for. XD But yeah ill look into speed.

    Anyways i tested Heatran >> Magnezone and its doing alot better.

    Current line up is this..

    Fat Anti Sw33ps! (this is a much better title than before, actually)
    - Same set
    Fat Anti Sw33ps! (this is a much better title than before, actually)
    - Same set
    Fat Anti Sw33ps! (this is a much better title than before, actually)
    - Same set
    Fat Anti Sw33ps! (this is a much better title than before, actually)
    - Same set but with Whirlwind >> Ice Punch for phazing action.
    Fat Anti Sw33ps! (this is a much better title than before, actually)
    - Standard Scarf Tran (HP Ice/Earth Power/Explosion/Overheat) but Overheat > Fire Blast so i can OHKO Azelf and Gengar 100% of the time.
    Fat Anti Sw33ps! (this is a much better title than before, actually)
    - Same set.


    Ill update OP soon but keep rating aaa lol
     
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