FireBug addon Discussion

[mervyn797]

Anybody used Firebug add-on with Firefox? Well, it can show the HTML and CSS code of any web page!
How do you guys use this add-on? I use it to "steal" CSS codes :P

 

[Infernape1188972]

That is pretty cool. I'll try it myself sometime.

 

[twocows]

Yeah, I use it when I see something cool. I wouldn't call it "stealing," since web code is free to view by definition.

 

[mervyn797]

lol, that "stealing" was there just for fun..

 

[ruby]

Maybe you should try using it to learn instead of being a scabby bastard.

 

[Steve Z]

Doesn't right click -> view page source do the same thing?

 

[twocows]

Maybe you should try using it to learn instead of being a scabby bastard.

Are you saying that inventions shouldn't be used by anybody except the inventor? If so, you wouldn't even have a box to live in, since I guarantee that about 99% of everything you own wasn't invented by you. And I do learn by observing what other people have done and applying it to my own work. That's one of the foundations of the open source community. Also, please keep things civil; there was no reason to resort to name-calling.

Doesn't right click -> view page source do the same thing?

Sort of. FireBug integrates it and displays it in a much easier to use format. You can see specifically what each element does on a page. It also displays stuff like the CSS for the page and whatnot.

 

[ruby]

Are you saying that inventions shouldn't be used by anybody except the inventor?

No, I was just saying that instead of using other peoples code blindly, he could learn how to code himself and then not have the need to take others code.

You can't compare not having built your own TV to simply learning a language.

 

[twocows]

No, I was just saying that instead of using other peoples code blindly, he could learn how to code himself and then not have the need to take others code.

You can't compare not having built your own TV to simply learning a language.

I don't use other peoples' code blindly. I've learned a lot of what I know from seeing what other people have done and just screwing around with it.

 

[ruby]

I wasn't talking about you though. Dx

 

[.little monster]

I wasn't talking about you though. Dx

No, you were talking in general which includes him.

I use it to find out other people's signature codes. Then I manipulate the code to what I want so it isn't really using that other person's code. But now I know a bunch of CSS.

 

[Chikara]

It's a cool add-on for people who learn by reading, and seeing. But otherwise, I don't like the idea of it, I consider html, especially heavily coded and elaborate html, a form or art. I don't like thiefs.

But as long as it's used to learn, it's a good tool, I suppose |D

No, you were talking in general which includes him.

How come the only times I ever see you is when you've jumped into a fight, are in a fight, or you're picking a fight? I dunno, just something interesting I noticed.

 

[twocows]

It's a cool add-on for people who learn by reading, and seeing. But otherwise, I don't like the idea of it, I consider html, especially heavily coded and elaborate html, a form or art. I don't like thiefs.

But as long as it's used to learn, it's a good tool, I suppose |D

I don't see the problem. There's no reasonable expectation of secrecy for HTML or CSS code; it's available in any browser. And to speak to your metaphor, some of the greatest artists in history have taken concepts and tricks from other artists. This is especially true with musicians. Where would we be if we didn't share our knowledge, I ask?

How come the only times I ever see you is when you've jumped into a fight, are in a fight, or you're picking a fight?

Sounds like you're trying to pick a fight.

 

[Chikara]

I don't see the problem. There's no reasonable expectation of secrecy for HTML or CSS code; it's available in any browser. And to speak to your metaphor, some of the greatest artists in history have taken concepts and tricks from other artists. This is especially true with musicians. Where would we be if we didn't share our knowledge, I ask?

There's different ways of learning.
If you just copy what everyone else does, what do you expect to learn? How to copy/paste/replace, sure. But those artists you're talking about, actually did it themselves after being told or taught how to do it. I wasn't trying to go that deep into calling it art, but copying is copying.

And to answer your question, nowhere. I'd respond with another question, but I don't wanna be a smartie pants.

Sounds like you're trying to pick a fight.

Actually, I was pointing something out. I don't wanna fight ._.

 

[.Seth]

Maybe you should try using it to learn instead of being a scabby bastard.

See, this is why I have little respect for you. I know I'm picking a fight but still. You could just say "It's better to learn than to just steal.". That works so much better. And you know how we learn? From others. Take something you're interested in. CSS, I suppose. How did you learn? Someone's signature? A web page? A tutorial? Guess what. Someone had to make all of those. Tutorials don't write themselves. It'd be nigh impossible for you to just type something random and it turned out to be CSS.

Anyways, to answer the OP, I think it is a useful add-on, even more so for Web Developers. I use it myself for Webmaster reasons.

 

[ruby]

Ugh, for gods sake.. If you look at the code and try to understand what it's doing then it's not stealing, that is learning;

I was reffering to those who just c/p code and use it with no intent of learning themselves.

 

[mervyn797]

okay,..... so me just using the word "stealing" was the reason for PC 32,067th War. lol