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First one inside isn't a loser(some of you are so id hurry if i were you ^^)

With your new team, Charge Beam is a nice choice on Jolteon >>> T-Bolt as you can pass the Sp. Atk boosts so someone like Azelf or power up your HP Ice.

Relaxed doesn't hinder Sp. Atk, it lowers speed instead. Go 240 HP/216 Atk/56 SAtk on Swampy for a bit extra bulk.

Heracross works well with Heatran, drawing Fire attacks to power him up. Go Modest @ Life Orb on him. Not sure what Wide Lens is doing for Zapdos.

You only have one Physical Sweeper, perhaps Resttalk Machamp >> Zapdos, make Hera CB and Scarf Heatran? You won't need to worry about a phazer too much, as No Guard Dynamic Punch will be causing alot of switches. U-Turn/Pshychic/Flamethrower/BOOM is best for Azelf.
 
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DeanoDance said:
With your new team, Charge Beam is a nice choice on Jolteon >>> T-Bolt as you can pass the Sp. Atk boosts so someone like Azelf or power up your HP Ice.

Relaxed doesn't hinder Sp. Atk, it lowers speed instead. Go 240 HP/216 Atk/56 SAtk on Swampy for a bit extra bulk.

Heracross works well with Heatran, drawing Fire attacks to power him up. Go Modest @ Life Orb on him. Not sure what Wide Lens is doing for Zapdos.

You only have one Physical Sweeper, perhaps Resttalk Machamp >> Zapdos, make Hera CB and Scarf Heatran? U-Turn/Pshychic/Flamethrower/BOOM is best for Azelf.
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charge beam i was thinking about some time ago but forgot to list it as an option lol
i was thinking of using that smogon set for swampy but i decided to get "creative"
life orb seems rather scary to use with all the pokemon packing fighting moves and ect lol.

....i put wide lens on zapdos.......opps must have been rushing....i meant WISE glasses stuipid rusing lol

i completly overlooked i had more spatkers than physical( i like to keep my spAtkers mixed or very limited due to the use of blissey) so i will definetly switch zapdos for machamp(i forgot to list that as a possible option when i was looking for sweepers on a pokedex lol) i dont like the idea of having a scarf and a band on(or both the same items) the same team so i just go lefties champ because its awsome.

as for champs moveset i was thinking the standard dynamic punch stonedge restalk
 
mystery said:
Ok lil discussion over kthanxbye(D_A.....im still loling over that comment)

time to edit the post like i said i would(got caught up last time)

i didnt want to use the same poke as beach boy but got no choice.....
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Wowowo, who said you can't use a Pocket Monster because someone else uses it? Whoever did is totally wrong. You have every right to use any Pocket Monster you want, don't you dare hesitate to use something that works.

I say take waterfall off of Swampert, I know it sounds insane, but I've used Swampert "Earthquake, Ice beam, Roar, SR" And it works just fine, seeing as you already have incredible type coverage with Ice + Ground. :D

So, I don't see Jolteon working out well as a lead for this team... Like I said before try Salamence as a lead, since Jolteon really doesn't do much with that substitute, no one has any stat up moves to use that sub anyway. Specsmence or CBmence would be nice. :D Heatran compliments Salamence very well. You now have two sleep talkers, maybe change Heatran to LO (Fire Blast, HP[grass], Earth Power, Explosion) That should work just fine. :D

Maybe Scarf Azelf for revenge kills?

And make it Fire BLAST on Azelf, if you're going to be offensive, mine as well pack the biggest punch, right?
 
Charge Beam has only 50 base power which is very weak and contradictory to Jolteon's goal that is to sweep.

Your variation of Mixpert isn't beneficial. It still gets walled by the ubiquitous physical walls - all of them sans Gliscor can take Ice Beam. IB also possesses the drawback of being unable to deal with Salamence, Dragonite and Garchomp as efficiently due to Swampert's lower SpA. Hydro Pump > Waterfall.

BIG Gliscor problems, walling Hera, Heatran and Champ, your best bet is to stick Ice Punch > Stone Edge. Frankly Machamp's defenses are only around average and it wouldn't stand up to physical hits much, especially when you've got an alternative RestTalker in Heatran removing the need to install Champ.

Zapdos > Jolteon as it provides vital support for your team walling Metagross among others, as well as having bulkier Subs and being able to do the exact same thing with higher SpA but albeit lower speed, something you wouldn't need to concentrate on.

Azelf = Pursuit bait, no questions asked. I'm only a fan of the kamikaze elf, which is to say I don't think a NP Zelf works well because it is walled by a lot of common stuff. U-turn does NOT null Pursuit as if Azelf is faster it would take the full brunt of Pursuit.

If Wobb had Countered the U-turn Jolt would be down easily.
 
Aquilae said:
Charge Beam has only 50 base power which is very weak and contradictory to Jolteon's goal that is to sweep.

Your variation of Mixpert isn't beneficial. It still gets walled by the ubiquitous physical walls - all of them sans Gliscor can take Ice Beam. IB also possesses the drawback of being unable to deal with Salamence, Dragonite and Garchomp as efficiently due to Swampert's lower SpA. Hydro Pump > Waterfall.

BIG Gliscor problems, walling Hera, Heatran and Champ, your best bet is to stick Ice Punch > Stone Edge. Frankly Machamp's defenses are only around average and it wouldn't stand up to physical hits much, especially when you've got an alternative RestTalker in Heatran removing the need to install Champ.

Zapdos > Jolteon as it provides vital support for your team walling Metagross among others, as well as having bulkier Subs and being able to do the exact same thing with higher SpA but albeit lower speed, something you wouldn't need to concentrate on.

Azelf = Pursuit bait, no questions asked. I'm only a fan of the kamikaze elf, which is to say I don't think a NP Zelf works well because it is walled by a lot of common stuff. U-turn does NOT null Pursuit as if Azelf is faster it would take the full brunt of Pursuit.

If Wobb had Countered the U-turn Jolt would be down easily.
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mk so im switching edge for ip
and possibally taking out jolt for zapdos
well im back at square one for my lead so i guess i need suggestions for that once more


i also lack first priority moves so im gonna try using this edited set im about to post
 
i like being different. its a "surprise". its faster than one of pcs fastest pokemon after one dd and after two its faster than virtually everything unboosted, so thats why i want dd and thats why i put the hp evs towards spA.

but that should be about it. no truely visible threats accept pursuit ice shard vile on 3 pokes
 
mystery said:
i like being different. its a "surprise". its faster than one of pcs fastest pokemon after one dd and after two its faster than virtually everything unboosted, so thats why i want dd and thats why i put the hp evs towards spA.

but that should be about it. no truely visible threats accept pursuit ice shard vile on 3 pokes
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While I too like surprises like making an Articuno that counters CB Weavile, DD has no use. It only boosts Brick Break, which is 1/3 of the 3 attacking moves. Not really that useful, now does it? =/
 
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