First RMT (OU)

[The Hero Without a Name]

Very well then, if you're going to shoot yourself in the foot, be my guest.

 

[luke]

Not happening so please don't suggest it. And if i use pokemon i don't like i won't like using my team and thus all of the fun will be taken out of the game.


@Dark Azelf-- I wasn't sure about whether or not to use alakazam or lucario and so far I have conflicting opinions as to which is better and since i don't plan on replacing empoleon adding lucario would leave me with a tripple weakness to ground. If you can think of a way around this let me know. And for dragonite ill probably take either Yache or Lum as the item since Empoleon already has LO. The quesiton is, which berry to use.

Ugh, what is this whole "<Pokemon A> has this, so <Pokemon B> can't." It doesn't work that way. You can have multiple items on a team. You can have the same nature on more than one Pokemon. Trust me, I used to think this way. It doesn't work.

Also, Alakazam is so weak defensively, you might as well count it as having a Ground weakness.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Garados is also problematic, because again nothing here can switch into it. Sure Jolteon can revenge all non Jolly ones (In which case you are screwed lol), but still its not really reliable.

I would perhaps add an offensive suicune >> Empoleon.

Suicune@Leftovers
172 HP / 120 SP.ATT / 216 SPEED
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Hidden Power Electric
- Ice Beam
- Calm mind

Serves as a check to Gyara and plugs up that Heatran weakness.

(You would'nt have a triple ground weak if you did this =x)

 

[randomspot555]

Not happening so please don't suggest it. And if i use pokemon i don't like i won't like using my team and thus all of the fun will be taken out of the game.

Then you'll end up losing a lot. I don't know if you've noticed this, but you don't get "kool" points for using less used Pokes.

And if you're actually going to use Dusknoir as a special wall (which you shouldn't), at least run it with Calm Mind.

(of course, then we go back to Blissey STILL does a Calm Mind set better than Dusknoir)

Dusknoir has ONE advantage over Blissey: Will O Wisp. Everything else, Blissey does better:

Better base HP an base Special Attack, equivalent for special defense base.
Reliable recovery with Softboil
Much better special movepool.

Dragonite's DD set is outclassed by Salamence's DD set. Salamence has better base special attack, better speed, and can weaken physical hits with Intimidate.

Here's your new DD set.
Salamence w/ Life Orb
Naughty
Intimidate
232 atk/24 sp atk/252 speed
- DD
- Outrage
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake

Dragon+ground+fire is perfect coverage. Special EVs can be adjusted depending on what you want to hit as far as steels go.

I have no personal objection over using whatever Pokemon you want. It's just that you're not playing to their strenghths. Dragonite, with a better special move pool amd Superpower, is a better mixed attacker than Salamence. It can also play team support with Light Screen and Thunder Wave. But as a pure physical sweeper, Salamence does it's job better.

Please don't post if all you are going to do is complain about my thread.

When 1/3 of your team (Dragonite and Dusknoir) aren't open to criticisism, then why even make a thread?

EDIT: assuming you ignore everything else I say, listen to this: Dragonite will get mauled by SR, making Focus Sash useless. Sand is also pretty common too. You need at least a Rapid Spinner, and possibly a weather changer.

 

[Barney.]

What I can see straight away is that EQ/EP rips through this team..As many people have said...Sp.Attacker? Why not a gengar instead of Zam??..Immune to ground.

Specs if timid, Scarf if modest.

Gengar @ Choice Scarf/Specs
Modest/Timid

- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- HP Ice/Trick
- Thunderbolt

That's all I can think of at the moment.

You really want to use a starter?? or is it just Empoleon specifically?

 

[Dark Azelf]

Just a note, smogons evs and set for DD mence are major suck. There is nothing even in the top 20 Fire Blast is more useful than Fire Fang for, not even Zong since it usually runs Sassy nature anyway lol. (Adamant @ 80 HP / 252 ATT / 176 SPEED and doesnt cut its natural bulk)


However i do agree that mence outclasses nite and would be much better because you cannot switch into lucario for squat (SD/CC/ES/Crunch nails you). I know your own Lucario can revenge with Vacuum Wave it but mence would at least provide insurance.



Jolt
DD Mence
Specs Lucario
Offensive Suicune
Skarm
Dusknoir

To sum up changes over the last few posts to make you less metagame weak, something like this would work.

However i dont see what Skarm and Noir are doing here, just "because they are walls" really isnt a good reason. Not every team needs walls to win you know as demonstrated by the metagame is how it is now and they seem like dead weight in all honesty. Checks are really alot more effective.

Something to cover your Blissey weakness would be a great start (lol) and some sort of central strategy would be nice here to open up a sweep, because as of now nothing does.

 

[ozmer]

Most of the posts have been pretty helpful so Ill sort through them and see what I come up with as I don't have the time to address each one individually. Thanks you to those who gave helpful insight.

 

[wolf]

Here is my OU team. It is able to collectively resist every type with great defensive as well as offensive power. I would appreciate any comments but please be respectful.

Skarmory
Item: Shed Shell
Ability: Keen Eye
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP /64 Atk /176Def / 16Spe
Moveset:
-Brave Bird
-Roost
-Stealth Rock
-Whirlwind
--Physical Wall/spiker. Roost helps a lot.
One word: Skarmory stinks at leading.
Dusknoir
Item: Wide Lens
Ability: Pressure
Nature: Careful
EVs: 252 HP / 6 Def / 252 SpD
Moveset:
-Pain Split
-Shadow Sneak
-Toxic
-Will-O-Wisp
--Special wall. Don't suggest Blissey.
Why can it not be Blissey, I thought this would be an RMT. :\ Anyways, WoW is useless if he isn't a complete physical wall. I also never was fond of Shadow Sneak since everything used it on me, but just did 1-5% damage, lol. I would think Fire Punch would be better over Shadow Sneak if you are wanting to keep WoW.
Alakazam
Item: Choice Specs
Ability: Synchronize
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Moveset:
-Focus Blast
-Psychic
-Signal Beam
-Trick
--Powerful special sweeper. Pretty standard.
Pursuit? Pursuit's popularity has risen (as I have seen) these days, so sweepers that are not SE to it, or even resisting it, would be better.
Jolteon
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Volt Absorb
Nature: Hasty
EVs: 252 HP / 24 SpD / 232 Spe
Moveset:
-Baton Pass
-Discharge
-Substitute
-Wish
--Lead. This is my attemp at support. Discharge allows for pseudo Thunderwaveing and subpass helps out the rest of the team.
What is those 24 SpD EVs for? I think you should shove those into Speed. Thunderbolt>>Discharge, I think you would need to hit harder since he isn't going last long to try to attempt to put up status (even with Sub).
Dragonite
Item: Focus Sash
Ability: Inner Focus
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Moveset:
-Dragon Dance
-Earthquake
-Fire Punch
-Outrage
--Standard DDnite. I know salamence is slightly better but I prefer dragonite.
Salamence is faster... Idk what to say if you won't take him out.
Empoleon
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Torrent
Nature: Modest
EVs: 24 HP / 252 SpA / 232 Spe
Moveset:
-Agility
-Grass Knot
-Ice Beam
-Surf
--Use support to set up agility and then sweep. Pretty simple
Why all the Speed EVs, he already outspeeds a lot of Pokes with just one Ability usage. Is this for revenge killing? Otherwise, it won't do much to Gyara. <Correct me if I am wrong.

Comments are in bold.

I don't know why this is a RMT thread if you are not open for suggestions. When you make a RMT thread, you be able to switch out other Pokemon even the ones you "like." The hole reason of making a thread for a team is to let people switch out Pokes to cover your weaknesses that you might have. Just letting people tell you to switch out only a few Pokemon in your team really doesn't do it. Even if you like the Pokemon or not, you have to face the facts that there is another Pokemon that does it better. I used to do it, but whenever I did it, my Shoddy record went down entirely. Trust me, it doesn't work, lol.

 

[ozmer]

To the above: If this team were just for shoddy battle i would have no problem with any suggestions but that fact is that this is also my in game team for wifi and my PBR wifi team so I have a certain attatchment to the pokemon and I want to make the team a certain way. The reason I made this RMT was to get input on how to make the team better and that's what i got but that doesn't mean i have to make every suggested change. It is my choice whether I want to make any of the suggested changes.

--Team edited in first post.

 

[The Hero Without a Name]

EDIT: assuming you ignore everything else I say, listen to this: Dragonite will get mauled by SR, making Focus Sash useless. Sand is also pretty common too. You need at least a Rapid Spinner, and possibly a weather changer.

Actually, spinning is a bit of a waste in the modern metagame =/

 

[randomspot555]

Comments are in bold.

I don't know why this is a RMT thread if you are not open for suggestions. When you make a RMT thread, you be able to switch out other Pokemon even the ones you "like." The hole reason of making a thread for a team is to let people switch out Pokes to cover your weaknesses that you might have. Just letting people tell you to switch out only a few Pokemon in your team really doesn't do it. Even if you like the Pokemon or not, you have to face the facts that there is another Pokemon that does it better. I used to do it, but whenever I did it, my Shoddy record went down entirely. Trust me, it doesn't work, lol.

Fully agreed. But it's not that these Pokemon, in this case Dusknoir and Dragonite, are bad Pokemon. It's just he's using them when other Pokemon fill the role much better.

If you have a [insert Pokemon here] trying to be Blissey, why use a cheap imitation instead of the real thing?

This isn't to say "use Blissey", but actually "play to Dusknoir's strengths". But the reason everyone here is saying "use Blissey" is because the role says "special wall"...and no one does that better than Blissey.

As for Dragonite, he is outclassed by Salamence as a pure physical DD sweeper. But his very diverse special move pool, team support (Light Screen, Safe Guard, Thunder Wave, Heal Bell), and Focus Punch and Superpower give him several options in mixed attacking and defensive sets that Salamence can't do.

I also think Jolteon is a poor lead. Tyranitar, with the special defense sand stream boost, won't care about it's 0 EVs in special attack and that just gives it time to set up. Aerodactyl will outspeed Jolteon unless it has max speed and a Timid nature, in which case it ties. But with 0 EVs in special attack, I can't see it KOing many starters outside of Gyarados.

(I get what Jolteon is TRYING to do, but it's really not something that should be played first. The first Pokemon either needs to hit hard and fast, or be extremely bulky and set up and take hits. Jolteon is currently doing neither).

Actually, spinning is a bit of a waste in the modern metagame =/

As a Wi-Fi player, I don't see it as a waste, especially with the many frail or SR weak Pokes on the team. And many spinners can do MORE than just spin. Sure, Donphan won't be doing much. But Claydol, Starmie, and others can serve other uses after they spin away entry hazards.

 

[luke]

I'm sorry, but this is a place for competitive Pokemon. I have no problem with using favorites, but if your favorite Pokemon is less than stellar in OU, you must make an effort to build the team around it's weaknesses and strengths. However, you're just throwing your "favorites" together in a manner that doesn't make sense in a competitive manner. Others have given you suggestions to make this team work, but you're being resistant and stubborn.

It's been a tradition in this section that if someone is stubborn, attacks others for giving them sound advice, and is rude overall, they don't deserve a thread.

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