Global Warming

Sire said:
I hope you realize ice ages and global warming have nothing to do with each other.

Ice Ages are a period in history when ice sheets spread across the earth more then average, and temperatures lower.

Global warming is the theory that the earth is warming because more greenhouse gasses are being trapped in our atmosphere.

One is obviously natural and the other is argued to be made be man.
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That's the argument. I presented findings that most heat is released into space rather than stay trapped in the atmosphere.
 
You cannot use the ice age as a valid example because we were not releasing greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere at that time.
 
Sire said:
You cannot use the ice age as a valid example because we were not releasing greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere at that time.
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CO2 has always been released into the atmosphere.
 
Are your referring to the first post? The article itself shows Spencer's hypothesis and then offers the refutations from the rest of the scientific community:

Other climate scientists disagreed with Dr. Spencer's recent findings spotting flaws and calling his model "unrealistic." The statistical information from the satellites are lacking as Spencer may not have accounted for fluctuations and other variables in the study.

Dr. Andrew Dessler, a Texas A&M University professor in atmospheric science, described Dr. Spencer's report as nothing new nor correct.

"He's taken an incorrect model, he's tweaked it to match observations, but the conclusions you get from that are not correct," said Dessler.
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What's worse is Spencer was against global warming way before these findings. Suggesting they're probably right about the bias.
 
FreakyLocz14 said:
CO2 has always been released into the atmosphere.
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Now you're just completely messing with facts - CO2 has always been released into the atmosphere, but no where near the level as now. Unless if cars, factories, and basically all our technology has always existed.
 
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A graphical representation for the CO2 level thing:

[PokeCommunity.com] Global Warming


Notice the giant jump on the left?
 
https://www.politicususa.com/en/move-over-jon-stewart-fox-news-declares-war-on-spongebob

I felt this was somewhat relevant. I guess Fox News finally figured out their real competition.

Scientists aren't divided on whether or global warming is manmade. A 2009 poll of earth scientists found that 82% of them believe that human activity has been a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures. 97% of climatologists agreed that human activity is a significant factor in global temperatures, but only 47% of petroleum geologists believed that human activity was a large factor.

It is not too surprising that those scientists who are employed by the oil industry would doubt the validity of global warming. The petroleum industry, business groups, and conservative think tanks, all of which have a financial interest in denying global warming has been churning out their propaganda for almost 20 years.
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FreakyLocz14 said:
Nice hole? Yes.

Man-made? That's disputable.
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I believe it's man-made because, simply, so many CFCs have found their way into the ozone layer and depleted it since they have been used so much. Though there are natural events that can cause this, they only do so in the presence of CFCs. This page says that aerosols produced by things like volcanoes "only increased depletion because of the presence of CFC."
 
Live_Wire466 said:


Because continent-sized holes in the Ozone layer really just appear out of nowhere. 3rd Science is calling, you may want to brush up.
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It's man-made, yet the hole just happens to be over the one continent without any permanent human settlements. Right...
 
FreakyLocz14 said:
It's man-made, yet the hole just happens to be over the one continent without any permanent human settlements. Right...
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"Polar regions get a much larger variation in sunlight than anywhere else, and during the 3 months of winter spend most of time in the dark without solar radiation. Temperatures hover around or below -80'C for much of the winter and the extremely low antarctic temperatures cause cloud formation in the relatively ''dry''stratosphere. These Polar Stratospheric Clouds (PSC's) are composed of ice crystals that provide the surface for a multitude of reactions, many of which speed the degredation of ozone molecules." -NASA

I highly doubt gases are confined to directly above human settlements once they get into the atmosphere.
 
FreakyLocz14 said:
It's man-made, yet the hole just happens to be over the one continent without any permanent human settlements. Right...
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I doubt anything released into the atmosphere is obligated to stay in a specific place once it's there. :shocked:

Emolga said:
This is rude; he probably didn't see the second post. You're acting like he's got something against you, or that he is making some arbitrary remark. Beyond that Global Warming has been denounced as a "hoax" in order for big corporations, that have ties with congressman, to protect their assets so that they can ignore their contribution to global warming and pollution, to make more money.
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W-what? o_o I don't think it was rude to point it out to him, and I know he didn't attack me at all. I added the smilie to be as non confrontational as possible. But Live, if you're somehow offended, that's not what I was aiming to do!

And I never said global warming wasn't real, I've said just the opposite in this thread. xD
 
FreakyLocz14 said:
So the hole was created by too much sunlight.
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"These Polar Stratospheric Clouds (PSC's) are composed of ice crystals that provide the surface for a multitude of reactions, many of which speed the degredation of ozone molecules."

"These Polar Stratospheric Clouds (PSC's) are composed of ice crystals that provide the surface for a multitude of reactions, many of which speed the degredation of ozone molecules."

"These Polar Stratospheric Clouds (PSC's) are composed of ice crystals that provide the surface for a multitude of reactions, many of which speed the degredation of ozone molecules."

You honestly sound like you're trying not to read, or trying not to understand what's being said. What it was saying is that the gases spread across the atmosphere no matter where they're released, but affect Antarctica the most because of the cloud formations there causing more reactions that degrade the ozone layer. Deoxys121 explained earlier that this happens because of reactions in the atmosphere between what we produce and what is already there, which supports the fact that Antarctica had cloud formations that increase reactions which is why the ozone layer is thinnest there.
 
Toujours said:


"These Polar Stratospheric Clouds (PSC's) are composed of ice crystals that provide the surface for a multitude of reactions, many of which speed the degredation of ozone molecules."

"These Polar Stratospheric Clouds (PSC's) are composed of ice crystals that provide the surface for a multitude of reactions, many of which speed the degredation of ozone molecules."

"These Polar Stratospheric Clouds (PSC's) are composed of ice crystals that provide the surface for a multitude of reactions, many of which speed the degredation of ozone molecules."

You honestly sound like you're trying not to read, or trying not to understand what's being said. What it was saying is that the gases spread across the atmosphere no matter where they're released, but affect Antarctica the most because of the cloud formations there causing more reactions that degrade the ozone layer. Deoxys121 explained earlier that this happens because of reactions in the atmosphere between what we produce and what is already there, which supports the fact that Antarctica had cloud formations that increase reactions which is why the ozone layer is thinnest there.
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Be it the sun or the clouds, those are all natural causes.
 
FreakyLocz14 said:
Be it the sun or the clouds, those are all natural causes.
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No, you don't understand. Let's try this again, and try thinking really hard because you're obviously not understanding it, and it doesn't seem like a very hard concept tbh.

The clouds do not cause the hole. The sun does not cause the hole. What causes the hole are the reactions. The reactions are caused by what we release into the air. The reason it affects Antarctica particularly strongly is because of the clouds. The clouds do not cause anything; they only amplify what we have done. It happens all over the world as well, it's just much stronger in Antarctica because of the clouds. If we continue the way we are and ignore the hole and don't change our habits, the entire world will be thinned out the same way.

Think of the clouds as a catalyst to a reaction. The reaction happens anyway, with or without the catalyst, the catalyst just makes it happen faster. We are adding the ingredients to this reaction; the reaction is caused by us.

If the reaction was solely the clouds or sun, the hole wouldn't have rapidly appeared just now; the sun and clouds have been there since the beginning of time. Now that you've reached the end of this post (at least I hope you read the entire thing, but I can't guarantee you did before hitting reply), go back to the top and re-read it. Make sure you understand what I'm saying before you reply, because it's frustrating having to post the same thing 3 different ways because you keep replying without a full grasp of what's being said.
 
FreakyLocz14 said:
So the hole was created by too much sunlight.
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Wait, so let me get this straight. The hole was created by too much sunlight in a place where the sun doesn't shine for a fourth of the year and for another fourth where it is significantly less intense? I see nothing wrong with that logic. Also, in regards to your post where you said it can't be human causes because there are no human settlements there - I don't know if you know this but the atmospheric gases do move. And there are settlements

Think about it like this. If you fart, does the fart stay right next to your butt and no one can smell it unless their nose is right next to your butt? You're saying that's the case.

Also if it were caused by too much sunlight, the ozone layer would be thinned out everywhere except the poles - especially at the equator which it's not (well, it is significantly thinner across the entire planet but not to the degree as the southern pole).
 
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The problem here is the misnomer of the 'Global Warming' title. It's Climate change. Places that normally don't get very hot, get suddenly scorching. And likewise, areas that normally don't experience extreme cold, will suddenly be buried under feet of snow and subzero temperatures.
 
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