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OK. I like this kind of debate. This is like a debate of religions in the real world. I like it how GameFreak designed the Pokemon World as a resemblance of the world where we live.

Who has the guts to say that Mew is Arceus' right hand despite the fact that there is no established proof or fact that Mew and Arceus has a relationship? Mew and Arceus are not even near to having a relationship to each other. There is no established fact that they met each other, not even the fact that Mew is Arceus 'servant right hand', not even a fact that Arceus made Mew or Arceus came from Mew. There is no proof that Mew is serving Arceus to become his 'eyes and ears'.

Mew and Arceus had their own legends, as people of Kanto are not even aware of Arceus' existence. Few of Sinnoh's population is aware of Mew's existence but needs proof as said in the expression "To see is to believe". They can't have a relationship to each other. Period.

Now your separating the game from the world, if we lived in the game, like were playin, you don't think one kanto person, like oak who has some of the books and talks with rowan almost every time on the anime would know or the manga soon would? no, stop it.

You just can't look at t that way, game limititation has no way of deciding that, say all the games were made at the same time, arceus could be known to all...who even says sinnoh knows about arceus, not many do. Not many anyone knows about arceus in the game, just the professors and researchers and stuff. Saying kanto has no idea of arceus, and sinnoh knows some of mew...is just looking through how the game were developed, which you can't just look through.

Ok mew was after arceus, Arceus came in a time of chaos befor anything, and just chaos, Arceus was the first egg, and thus the first pokemon. Ancestor does not nessarily mean creator, creator and the original one are a whole lot more linked together then that.
There also no proof that Mew never knew/helped out arceus ether. So befor you go all haywire, what proof is there that they didnt? EXACTLY, none, so it could be ether way, we don't know, personally I think there is one, as arceus had to the create mew to create others, so how they didnt have a relationship like that is NOT impossible.

And I can believe as I wish, just a theory, there's no need to shot something like that down. so no period any / either way. period.
 
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I still stand by what i said before. I think Arceus is a god-pokemon, no ifs, ands, or buts about it. And the reason it can be caught is because of the avatar thing (if anyone makes a refernce to that stupid anime i will become most upset. I mean, like, avatar of Akatosh, Avatar of Azura, Avatar of Arceus type thing. A physical manifestation, if you want to say it like that.)
 
For one, it's a POKEMON GAME.

God or not, you can catch it. WHY would Nintendo create a Pokemon you COULDN'T catch?

THink more of "It's just a videogame and thus anything can happen" ratehr then "Everything in videogames has to make sense to work"

With a world full of Psychics, Human Ghosts, and Fire-breathing Lightning-farting animals, having a deity you can catch is not really stretching it all that much.

Also, the Japanese are very spiritual people. I wouldn't put it past them to make a deity in a Pokemon game. There ae VERY few atheists in Japan(Even less than there are Christains, which only make up 0.7% of the population)... most are Shinto or Buddist.

WHY am I always ignored? ;-;

Anyone going to agree? Disagree? Say I'm an attention-wh0r3?
 
Now your separating the game from the world, if we lived in the game, like were playing, you don't think one kanto person, like oak who has some of the books and talks with rowan almost every time on the anime would know or the manga soon would? no, stop it.

You just can't look at that way, game limititation has no way of deciding that, say all the games were made at the same time, arceus could be known to all...who even says sinnoh knows about arceus, not many do. Not many anyone knows about arceus in the game, just the professors and researchers and stuff. Saying kanto has no idea of arceus, and sinnoh knows some of mew...is just looking through how the game were developed, which you can't just look through.

Ok mew was after arceus, Arceus came in a time of chaos before anything, and just chaos, Arceus was the first egg, and thus the first pokemon. Ancestor does not nessarily mean creator, creator and the original one are a whole lot more linked together then that.
There also no proof that Mew never knew/helped out arceus ether. So befor you go all haywire, what proof is there that they didnt? EXACTLY, none, so it could be ether way, we don't know, personally I think there is one, as arceus had to the create mew to create others, so how they didnt have a relationship like that is NOT impossible.

And I can believe as I wish, just a theory, there's no need to shot something like that down. so no period any / either way. period.
OK. I'm the kind of person that speaks with evidence. I share informations when they are supported with proofs. Proofs are the best evidences to say whether your idea is true or false. When there are no proofs, then it is harmful to say your theory is true, right? You can't convince people to believe in a theory if it doesn't even have a single proof. If you are aware of the ways of the scientific community, then you'll understand. They share hypothesis, theories and other ideas to each other, as long as there are proofs.
I only believe to theories with proofs, solid or not, as long as they are worth believing. There are some theories that doesn't have any support. Those are theories that are not convincing. Sorry, but your Arceus-Mew relationship theory falls in that category. That theory's only an opinion, and I want to emphasize this here. It's harmful to believe in theories with no proofs. Sometimes, it even puts you to danger if you continuosly believe rumors or 'theories' that are proofless. I practice this manner from home, in school, and even to forums. I don't want to make a lot of mistakes, so I collect as many proofs as possible before posting. I collect as many proofs as I can before believing.

1.)First, I'm not separating the real world from the game world. In fact, I base my ideas in the real world, too. Of course, Prof. Oak and Prof. Rowan always talk, but I don't even think that Prof. Rowan has any idea where can he find this 'Original One', what the 'Original One' looks like, etc... He might not even know the accepted name of this 'Original One' since the word 'Arceus' hasn't been documented in any ancient texts and has been forgotten. And Arceus only appears in legends, if the Pokemon World is a real world like ours, then it will be harmful to believe in legends. Really, many of the legends of this world of ours are already labeled as 'inspiring stories' instead of insisting that they are true. I don't even think Prof. Rowan personally saw this 'Original One' to go spread the world about the 'Original One' legend. So I'm using common sense here. It's harmful to advertise something that is not proven or seen, and that's why only few are aware of the Original One's legend. The lack of informations about Arceus will result of his legend being abandoned and I'm sure that the professors will set aside the legend.

And do you think the Kanto people, especially the Gym leaders there, had any idea about the legends of the 'Original One'? Absolutely no, as they never opened a topic about that. I'm using common sense here too.

I'll tell you, only the player is aware that Arceus really existed and no one else. That's the reason of the player's efforts to find an Azure Flute and climbing to Mt. Coronet. Eventually, he'll be the one to justify the legend as true, as once he catches or even see a glimpse of this Godlike Pokemon, it will be recorded to his Pokedex. So that's it. It's the player's mission to prove that Arceus is real, as no one else can. Not even Prof. Rowan. Not even the Elite Four.

2.) It's funny to tell that Mew was after Arceus. Where did you get that idea? There is no proof that Mew is after Arceus.... Arceus is sleeping, according to legends. Sleeping, and nothing else. Arceus will never send any 'eyes or ears' of his because he's sleeping. He needs rest and therefore guarding the world 24/7 by sending 'eyes and ears' is a bad idea.... It will only ruin his sleep. Do you want Arceus to suffer from the effects of sleep deprivation?

It's like the beliefs of Deism. According to Deists, there exists a God that created the world, the universe, and its inhabitants perfectly according to his plans. BUT, Deists tend to assert that this God does not interfere with human life and the laws of the universe. That's the very nature of Arceus. Creator, and nothing else. Arceus' role is only creator and nothing else. Only Creator. If not, then give me an example of an event where Arceus was interfering with the actions of mankind. I guess not. He's sleeping, and take it literally. He's only the creator, and nothing else. The main and the most popular legend about Pangu tells that Pangu hasn't interfered with human actions after creating the world, unlike the God of Abrahamic religions. Remember that Arceus' legend is based upon Pangu of Chinese myths...

Therefore, sending Mew as Arceus' reporter is a bad idea, I tell you. And I don't think Mew is serving SOMEBODY...... Even the Pokedex will disagree on that theory, because it is hard to think they have a relationship....

3.) OK, tell me what Arceus has created. He shaped the world/universe with his one-thousand arms, created the legendary Pokemons Palkia, Dialga, Mesprit, Azelf, Uxie.... What else? After creating the legends, he slept, right? So, I conclude that Arceus never created Mew, or created other Pokemons. Pokemons traced their genes back to Mew, so Mew was responsible for the existence of the other Pokemons, and not Arceus.

Arceus created the world, the five other Sinnoh legends, and then he slept after that. That's very understandable!!! It only needs common sense. Arceus never created Mew, because it is already documented what he did. The rest, it's not his fault why they existed. He's asleep. Accept it. The 'Arceus created Mew' theory is pure speculation !!!

4.) Do I need an evidence on my ideas? I have one. The absence of documentation about the Arceus-Mew relationship is my VERY PROOF. Haha !!! I use common sense, so if I were you, don't ask questions like 'What's your proof?' to me.

5.) Thanks for sharing your idea, but I guess that your theory was not convincing, unless if the GameFreak or the Pokemon Company announce that they really had a relationship. Let's wait for Arceus' movie, shall we?
 
Of course! :D

Ok in chinese mythology, Kirin ,or Qilin, was depicted as a giraffe in the ming dynasty, Arceus if you compare them, looks like a giraffe in almost every way... Majestic neck and body structure. Even though in hierarchy of mythological animals, Qilin is ranked third, while arceus at the moment is first, so that's a difference that may have started your question. Also in the ming dynasty some depictions of it are very versatile, just like arceus's multi-type, again goes with the multi type, is the multiple amount of colors qilin had on it. Basically arceus is mainly based on Qilin for the look, and it's story is of Pangu really..

Now remember arceus is believed to be based off of Qilin, not really true facts, so believe what you wish to believe.
Hope this isn't really intimidating, about a month ago I did deep research on arceus, and have learned a lot about it actually... Very interesting stuff. :D Hope I answered your question...

Also BlueEew, you can find Arceus's name, deus "god" in latin, so there's more why arceus is our "god".
Wow, you sure are smart when it comes to Mythological Pokemon.

I too believe Arceus is the god of all Pokemon.
 
While I believe that 'it' is the God of all in the Pokeverse, I think it's kind of a shame to have given him this title at this stage of the Pokemon franchises life. I know that many will believe Pokemon have had their best years, but I'm sure there are still ideas they have yet to explore. To me it may limit the power of some future legendaries that come in a possible 5th generation (no idea if this will happen, but hey). I mean what new Pokemon could possibly be stronger than 'God'?
 
Anyone ever hear the BGM music for Arceus?

Here it is:

And heres the Beginning demension music:

And heres a video on how to get him:
 
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While I believe that 'it' is the God of all in the Pokeverse, I think it's kind of a shame to have given him this title at this stage of the Pokemon franchises life. I know that many will believe Pokemon have had their best years, but I'm sure there are still ideas they have yet to explore. To me it may limit the power of some future legendaries that come in a possible 5th generation (no idea if this will happen, but hey). I mean what new Pokemon could possibly be stronger than 'God'?

For me, I believe in the 'god' status of Arceus, but not actually as the solo 'God' of the Pokeverse and the 'Supreme Being'. Legendary Pokemons can be regarded as 'gods', which differs from the ordinary Pokemons you know so far. Arceus is only one of them. Difficult to understand, isn't it?

P.S.: Even my D/P team can beat Arceus, so why consider him 'God' like there's no one else?
 
Do you all mean Arceus is a "God Pokemon" or "God of the Pokemons"? Of course, there is difference between the two, and I don't even think Arceus is "God of the Pokemons" like Arceus is superior and no one else.

It's a cult, I tell you! Misinterpretations are the most harmful mistakes of human beings!! Not even GameFreak declared Arceus as God, and Arceus is only a creator. Many creation deities in myths are not the central focus of worship and most of these deities are not that important...

You only think Arceus is God because you compare it with your religions (Chiristianity, Judaism, Islam, etc...), that God created the world and God is the center of worship. But it's different in Japanese religions, Buddhism and Hinduism. Their creation deities are not that superior. Remember that there are great affinities between Pokemon legends and the popular Japanese myths, so I don't even think that Arceus will be the "God of the Pokemons" like everyone else thinks.

Of course, since I know many of you here are still "that" young, you might not even get what I mean.....
 
I understand exactly what you mean. I always thought that all Arceus was good for was creating the world and what not. He can't control the seas, that's Kyogre's job.
 
"In the beginning, there was only
a churning turmoil of chaos.
At the heart of chaos, where all
things became one, appeared an Egg.
Having tumbled from the vortex, the
Egg gave rise to the Original One."

Here is where it gets messy...

"From itself, two beings the Original
One did make.
Time (Dialga) started to spin.
Space (Palkia) began to expand."

There is no mention of the third part of the Trio, Giratina.

"From itself again, Three Living Beings (Mesprit, Uxie, and Azelf)
the Original One did make.
The two beings wished, and from them,
matter came to be.
The three living things wished, and
from them, spirit came to be.
The world created, the Original One
took to unyielding sleep..."

As was stated above, Giratina received not mention when he is important. As said from Bulbapedia:

"Dialga controls time, while Palkia controls space, whereas Giratina on the other hand seems to have the ability to control other dimensions. The presence of Dialga and Palkia causes a rip in dimensions, creating a gateway to the dimension where Giratina inhabits."

This explains what goes on in Platinum and also says that Giratina seems to have control over dimensions. Here is the Pokedex entry from Platinum:

"Because of its violent behavior, it was driven out into the Ruined World, from where it silently gazes upon our world."

Bulbapedia also states:

"Giratina is a very rare (one-of-a-kind) Pokémon due to its "legendary" status. Legends claim that Giratina appears in cemeteries and that this Pokémon supposedly lives in the spirit world, on the reverse side of this one."

This seems to suggest that Giratina is the God of Death and Dimensions, and that it lives in the Spirit World (Ruined or Torn World...)
 
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