Good Zam? (RMA)

Lots to list my friend... If Calm Mind gave Speed it would be a whole different story

TO list the obliterators...

Ninjask (Focus Sash)
lol, many ninjasks can't even attack you :/ besides, roar > ninjask.
Aerodactyl (Focus Sash)
yes. and other Zam sets aren't countered by this?
Spiritomb (Pursuit/Shadow Sneak)
No Zam saves you from spiritomb either :/
Lucario (Extremespeed/Focus Sash)
How does a speed boost for Zam help here again? and once again, what other Zam set is going to survibe this?
Floatzel (Aqua Jet/Focus Sash)
see above.
Weavile (Pursuit/Focus Sash/Sucker Punch)
see above.
Crobat (Hypnosis/Cross Poison/Focus Sash)
Mamoswine (Ice Shard)
see above.
Blissey (Self-Explanatory)
what a shocker.
Heatran (Scarf pwnage)
and other zam sets don't get pwnt either?
Zangoose (CB Quick Attack)
see above.
Cresselia (Self-Explanatory)
CM > Cresselia.
Bronzong (Earth|Prison Heatproof)
lol heatproof lol
Wow, any questions?

Yeah, why is it that any Zam, no matter what the moveset, gets countered by the pokemon anyways? Even if CM gave speed, the quick attack moves pwn you, the pursuiters pwn you, everything pwns you...I mean, I can think of maybe two pokemon on that list that counter the CM set and not the others. I mean really...
 
if u wana try a cool zam try this :

zam@wise glasses/sash
timid/modest

encore
calm mind
psychic
focus blast/energy ball

works great vs tanks and great for setting up calm mind.

use encore after it uses a non-damageing atk, then pwn.
 
Yeah, why is it that any Zam, no matter what the moveset, gets countered by the pokemon anyways? Even if CM gave speed, the quick attack moves pwn you, the pursuiters pwn you, everything pwns you...I mean, I can think of maybe two pokemon on that list that counter the CM set and not the others. I mean really...

Omg, I said this once before and I'll say it again, IT'S BETTER TO ATTACK THAN WASTE TURNS DOING NO DAMAGE AT ALL TO YOUR FOE

You got that? Bronzong with Heatproof is my personal strategy, Imprison + Earthquake already gives it protection from Ground moves, leaving it with no weaknesses and Heatproof covering Fire attacks

Ninjasks carry X-Scissor, ring a bell? Alakazam Roar? rofl

You can do heavy damage on Aerodactyl switch in's instead of wasting a turn on CM

Spiritomb = Already Zam pwnage

See above on the Aerodactyl explanation

See above again..

See above again..

See above again..

Heatran is daamged at least some instead of wasting a turn on CM

See above again..

You see? CM is a waste of turn IF YOU HAVE TO SWITCH!
 
Omg, I said this once before and I'll say it again, IT'S BETTER TO ATTACK THAN WASTE TURNS DOING NO DAMAGE AT ALL TO YOUR FOE

Uh, what? It's called "setting up."

You got that? Bronzong with Heatproof is my personal strategy, Imprison + Earthquake already gives it protection from Ground moves, leaving it with no weaknesses and Heatproof covering Fire attacks

Okay, fine. still counters all Zam sets anyways, since it has the bulk to take those hits :/

Ninjasks carry X-Scissor, ring a bell? Alakazam Roar? rofl

you SWITCFH to a PHazer. then you sens in Zam and CM up :/ And agin, ninjask counters ALL ZAM SETS WITH X-SCIZZOR.

You can do heavy damage on Aerodactyl switch in's instead of wasting a turn on CM

Focus sash + crunch = dead Zam :/ in other words, you'd have to switch anyways :/

Spiritomb = Already Zam pwnage

and other Zam sets, AGAIN, are pwnt. It won't do crap to tomb anyyways...

See above on the Aerodactyl explanation

about what?

See above again..

See above again..

See above again..

Okay, how many times to I have to read it?

Heatran is daamged at least some instead of wasting a turn on CM

Yeah, they'd switch into psychic, take about 15%, and then make you switch...OH NO! 15%!

See above again..

You see? CM is a waste of turn IF YOU HAVE TO SWITCH!

And? you waste a turn, you wipe out the counter, you sweep the team! This is why I hate D/P...all the decent startegies of ADV were wiped out with focus sash and more quick attack moves than there are hyper beams.

Of course it has counters, what doesn't? Using CM Zam requires prediction. your examples were very concrete and made it so that Zam was bring used by somebody with no skill at all. what I mean is, who DOESN'T see those switch-ins coming? that's why you PREDICT what is going to happen so you can set up CM Zam to sweep.

It's like saying DD is a waste on gyara because it could be pummeling a poke with waterfall. To use CM zam, you're supposed to switch in to a favorable matchup, then immediately switch to you Zam counter counter (meaning that blissey is coming in to lol at you, so you switch to dugtrio immediately). with the counter out of the way, CM up, and then sweep.

In fact, I have my own example. I use Raikou, very similar to Zam, except slower and less powerful. I often get caught CMing the first turn and then bliss loling at me on the switch. Okay, and? I switch out, let the battle progress, and when the time is right, I send in raikou to sweep the team.

Same goes for Zam, only it is faster and more powerful.

I don't care if CM Zam is outclassed by certain sets, but it is in no way useless.

EDIT: Oh, CM Zam is very common with encore, to cause a switch and another turn to power up. you can't expect it to tank or anything, jirachi does that far better...
 
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Sorry, APCW, I usually agree with you, but i personally think Alakazam is too fragile to CM. You are completely right that everything has its counters, but that is what you build it to beat. If you can predict it right, then it works, but that sure wont be easy. Oh and that set is owned by pursuit. (Phys, Super Effective). My vote is TrickGlassesZam.
 
People, unlike the other sets, CMZam is best at coming in late game when it has more opportunities to set up. All the Sash-reliant Pokémon get screwed over by Stealth Rock and can be taken care of on the switch if you know what your opponent will switch in and Trickspecszam is a simple matter of switching in a Pokémon with Choice Specs. Just because you have Calm Mind doesn't automatically mean you have to use it whenever you have a chance to. There's nothing wrong with trading Trick and Choice Specs for Sash/Lum Berry and Calm Mind; Alakazam's type coverage doesn't suffer from that at all. Sure Tricksepcszam might be able to cripple something but Trickspecszam is so damn common that just about every good player will switch in something that won't be hindered much by the Trick. (For example a Starmie or a Specsmence as well as any other respectable special sweeper)

It's common sense that just because you have Calm Mind you don't have to abuse it. It's not like any good player would be like "Whomg! My opponent is switching in Ninjask on my Alakazam so I'll just use Calm Mind instead of blasting it into oblivion! =O" As long as someone doesn't come up with a prediction clause, CMZam will work just fine.
 
Sorry, APCW, I usually agree with you, but i personally think Alakazam is too fragile to CM. You are completely right that everything has its counters, but that is what you build it to beat. If you can predict it right, then it works, but that sure wont be easy. Oh and that set is owned by pursuit. (Phys, Super Effective). My vote is TrickGlassesZam.

Again, every Zam is owned by pursuit. EVERY Zam is owned by pursuit, unless you pull off some miracle. Or hit them on the switch, but that isn't always easy since so many poekmon can learn it.

And yes, I probably should've mentioned it is a late game type sweeper, I thought it was obvious since there are so many Zam counters anyways...
 
Sorry.....
OK, Calm Mind isn't too good on 'Zam because it can't take a hit. Just like you don't give Recover to a Porygon-Z. The ONLY way to put Calm Mind on a 'Zam is to Focus Sash it up.

ok, this IS good due to a double battle strategy.

Zam doesnt need focus sash in a double battle, it has magmrotar with follow me ;)

lets him Calm mind, obliterates foes

see?
 
ok, this IS good due to a double battle strategy.

Zam doesnt need focus sash in a double battle, it has magmrotar with follow me ;)

lets him Calm mind, obliterates foes

see?

yuo're quite correct. Zam is quite the CMer.

Zam @ Leftovers / Focus Sash / Lum Berry
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Psychic
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Encore / Focus Blast

CM Zam is teh pwnz0rz
 
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