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Gym leaders/the elite four having two of the same pokemon

ben cousins

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    Dont you hate it when gym leaders/ the elite four have two of the same pokemon or more i mean it's not as common these days, but it's annoying and very uninspired like koga in yellow...3 VENONATS AND A VENOMOTH!? oh and glacia and her two sealeo's and two glalie's
     
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    Phoebe having 2 Banette and 2 Dusclops was annoying. So was Glacia with 2 Glalie and 2 Sealeo. But I guess they did it because there weren't too many Ghost and Ice Pokemon in Hoenn.
     
    Yeah, I hate how gym leaders and elite four use the same pokemon multiple times. Why didn't they fix it in HG/SS and replace one of Lance's Dragonites with a Kingdra or something or give Morty a Misdreavus rather than those other Gastlys and Haunters? That would've made a lot more sense.
     
    Lance's 3 Dragonite's was really obnoxious. The game designers should just be more creative.
     
    So much more variety is possible when they give duplicates. Referring to the more recent games, Elesa has 2 Emolga. I think she should have a Tynamo (matching the anime) or a Joltik in the place of one of them. Hell, you could even give her an under-leveled Eelektrik. Other gym leaders and elite four have under-leveled Pokemon, so why not her?

    Then there's Drayden and Iris having a Fraxure and a Haxorus in the same team. Um... what happened to Deino???
     
    But what I hate more than anything are the trainers with a full team of magikarp. NOW THAT'S REALLY UNCREATIVE.
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    That's different. Gamefreak just does that to piss you off, not because they're being uncreative.
     
    I also do wish that trainers don't have duplicates, its just boring and plain. A variety of Pokemon on ones team make it more challenging due to their typings, abilities and moves.
     
    Lance's three illegally levelled Dragonites nearly made me ragequit SoulSilver...It's my little shame
     
    Well, it seems to me that usually (read: USUALLY) the gym leaders have duplicates because they only use pokemon which you could have obtained up to this point. Often the first gym leaders are exempt from this--you can't get but so many Rock types before you fight one gym. But look at B/W:
    Gym 1: Lillipup and Monkey - You can't get any other Grass, Fire or Water-type by this point, so they put in a Lillipup instead.
    Elesa: 2 Emolga - Other than Blitzle and Emolga, what Electric-types could you have by this point?
    Drayden/Iris: Fraxure and Haxorus - There aren't Deino before you fight them, so they don't have one.

    Now, for most E4 members this seems stupid, but Hoenn (the biggest offender with Glacia and Phoebe) didn't have all too many Ice or Ghost-types. They had to use duplicates. They "fixed" this in D/P by having trainers like Candice, Volkner and Flint use pokemon not of their type. I'd rather have them use duplicates than run around with Medicham, Ambipom and Lopunny and such.
     
    In some games it's because of the lack of certain types. Especially in R/B/Y, the Dratini/Dragonair/Dragonite line were the only Dragon types, which obviously required Lance to use multiples of them. It is annoying how Norman in R/S used two Slaking and a Vigoroth, but it did make him a challenge.

    I'm still not sure why Giovanni used two Rhyhorn in his gym battle, though... there weren't any shortage of Ground types even back then.

    Glacia in R/S/E was probably the worst... she had duplicates of two different species (Glalie and Sealeo) and her 5th Pokemon was Walrein, so she essentially only had two families of Pokemon on her team.

    it's annoying for sure, because if you have what it takes to defeat a Pokemon on the opposing trainer's team, is another of the same species really going to be all that tougher, even if there's a slight level increase or different moveset? It takes a lot of the stratey out of the battle as there's fewer distinct Pokemon you have to account for.
     
    I find it more annoying that a typed based trainer has to resort to using different types like when they had the disparity of Fire in DP and Flint having to use 3 non fire types in Steelix, Lopunny, Drifblim. As long as they have an adequate amount of pokemon that is fine with me. Although if they have other types available and they don't use them then I am a bit miffed at that. Like I mentioned in the anime topic I hope Elesa used Tynamo against Ash instead of two Emolga and Zebrastrika. Which she did, so if they do that in the anime why not the game.
     
    I have to agree with the topic, because I'm also one to like variety. Having two of the same Pokémon just seems unnecessary and the slot used for the duplicate could have been in much better use. It'd even give the challenge a little more excitement even, I suppose. Though not much Gym Leaders or the Elite Four members do it, there are a lot of trainers like this as well. I don't get the point of it. The magikarp guy back in DPPt had a whole team of Magikarp but that could be considered differently, to me anyway.
     
    It can't be worse than the guy in one of the Pokemon games (I forget) that had a whole team of magikarps. But I do love to see variation, but the gym leaders and the Elite Four's excuse could probably be because they love those specific Pokemon too much so they have to have two or more on the same team.


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    I found clair's 3 dragonairs in gold,silver and crystal be be especially uninspired since lance had two of them in red and blue,now whenever i battle someone with a dragonair i just assume they'l have like 3 of them or somthing.thankfully they switched one in the remake with a gyarados A POKEMON LANCE ALSO HAS, i didn't even know they where cousins so i just assumed nintendo where being lazy.
     
    Well, in the case of Clair/Lance their duplicate Pokemon had slightly different movesets, so if anything it made them HARDER to defeat because you couldn't "read" them as easily. It's also good strategy in a sense to have two Pokemon that have many of the same checks because the first one can weaken the opponent's team to the point that the second won't mind those particular Pokemon as much. (Odd how nobody has mentioned Drake tossing out a brace of Flygon in R/S yet.)

    There is also the issue of a paucity of representatives of that element to choose from in the games. Ghost and Ice types in particular are notoriously rare--across all 5 generations, there are less than 30 species that have either of those types. (Source: PokemonDB)

    If anything, Lance's GS team was mono-Flying, so if you managed to get a Stealth Rock user over to your HG/SS from DPP before that battle, you could sail through it far more easily. This was fixed in the rematch, with him drawing from all four generations and buffing his levels considerably to be a true Dragon trainer.
     
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