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Help wirth my team?

LyokoGirl5000

Lyoko Princess
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    I'm starting my second competitive battling team because my first had three members weak to Ground. Here it is so far.

    I love Gengar, so he has to stay on my team no matter what.

    Azumarill

    - Aqua Jet
    - Play Rough
    - Belly Drum
    - Superpower
    Item Attached: Sitrus Berry
    Ability: Huge Power
    EVs and Nature:
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
    Adamant Nature


    Talonflame

    - Brave Bird
    - Flare Blitz
    - U-turn
    - Tailwind
    Item Attached: Sky Plate
    Ability: Gale Wings
    EVs and Nature:
    EVs: 48 HP / 252 Atk / 208 Spd
    Adamant Nature

    Espeon

    - Reflect
    - Light Screen
    - Psychic
    - Dazzling Gleam
    Item Attached: Light Clay/Quick Claw/Twisted Spoon
    Ability: Magic Bounce
    EVs and Nature:
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)

    Goodra

    - Draco Meteor
    - Focus Blast
    - Fire Blast
    - Sludge Bomb

    Item Attached: Dragon Fang
    Ability: Gooey
    EVs and Nature:
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 SAtk / 8 SDef
    Modest Nature

    Ferrothorn

    -Power Whip
    -Iron Head
    -Bulldoze
    -Thunder Wave
    Item Attached: Leftovers/Rocky Helmet
    Ability: Iron Barbs
    EVs and Nature:
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
    Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spe)

    Gengar

    -Shadow Ball
    -Focus Blast
    -Thunderbolt
    -Destiny Bond

    Item Attached: Gengarite
    Ability: Levitate
    EVs and Nature:
    252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
    Timid Nature

    Is there any way to improve this set?

    EDIT: There's a typo in the title. Oops.

    EDIT 2: Thanks everyone. I was able to win my first Wi-Fi battle with this set!
     
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    Me First is kinda gimmicky, tbh. Instead, I'd use Will-o-Wisp or Tailwind to give Talonflame something to do before it gets taken down (cripple a physical opponent or speed up the rest of the team for a few turns).

    Light Clay is the preferred option for dual screening Pokemon to extend the duration of the screens to 8 turns.

    Goodra's EV spread is inefficient. Maxing out a defensive stat without maxing out HP first is inefficient bulk:
    -Draco Meteor
    -Fire Blast
    -Thunderbolt/Sludge Bomb
    -Focus Blast/Dragon Tail
    Nature: Modest/Quiet/Sassy
    EVs: 248 HP/252 SAtk/8 SDef
    Item: Choice Specs/Assault Vest/Leftovers
    Ability: Gooey/Sap Sipper

    or
    -Dragon Pulse
    -Flamethrower
    -Thunderbolt
    -Toxic/Dragon Tail
    Nature: Calm/Sassy
    EVs: 248 HP/8 Def/252 SDef
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Gooey/Sap Sipper

    Gengar can act as utility via Destiny Bond or Substitute; note that Gengarite is banned in standard play (it's fine in Wi-Fi battles):
    -Shadow Ball
    -Focus Blast
    -Sludge Bomb/Thunderbolt
    -Destiny Bond
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Focus Sash/Gengarite (last one for Wi-Fi battling only)

    or
    -Substitute
    -Shadow Ball
    -Pain Split/Focus Blast
    -Will-o-Wisp/Disable/Focus Blast
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Black Sludge
     
    You may also want to consider adding a Dark or a Normal-type to your team as two of your Pokemon are weak to Ghost. Blissey, Chansey and even Diggersby are good choices for Normal-types, while Bisharp, Tyranitar and Greninja make great Dark-type options.
     
    Me First is kinda gimmicky, tbh. Instead, I'd use Will-o-Wisp or Tailwind to give Talonflame something to do before it gets taken down (cripple a physical opponent or speed up the rest of the team for a few turns).

    Light Clay is the preferred option for dual screening Pokemon to extend the duration of the screens to 8 turns.

    Goodra's EV spread is inefficient. Maxing out a defensive stat without maxing out HP first is inefficient bulk:
    -Draco Meteor
    -Fire Blast
    -Thunderbolt/Sludge Bomb
    -Focus Blast/Dragon Tail
    Nature: Modest/Quiet/Sassy
    EVs: 248 HP/252 SAtk/8 SDef
    Item: Choice Specs/Assault Vest/Leftovers
    Ability: Gooey/Sap Sipper

    or
    -Dragon Pulse
    -Flamethrower
    -Thunderbolt
    -Toxic/Dragon Tail
    Nature: Calm/Sassy
    EVs: 248 HP/8 Def/252 SDef
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Gooey/Sap Sipper

    Gengar can act as utility via Destiny Bond or Substitute; note that Gengarite is banned in standard play (it's fine in Wi-Fi battles):
    -Shadow Ball
    -Focus Blast
    -Sludge Bomb/Thunderbolt
    -Destiny Bond
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Focus Sash/Gengarite (last one for Wi-Fi battling only)

    or
    -Substitute
    -Shadow Ball
    -Pain Split/Focus Blast
    -Will-o-Wisp/Disable/Focus Blast
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Black Sludge

    Can you explain a little about Standard Play? Is that official Nintendo play or Pokecommunity? I can give it a Focus Sash when I want to battle in Standard Play.

    I re taught Talonflame Tailwind. Goodra will be re trained to better match the first EV spread because it has a Modest nature. Would it be possible to keep Dragon Pulse and Flamethrower on Goodra with that EV spread?

    I think I'll be okay with the Ghost weakness thing. My last team had three members weak to Ground and I was tired of losing all the time. Can anyone tell me where to find Light Clay?
     
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    You may also want to consider adding a Dark or a Normal-type to your team as two of your Pokemon are weak to Ghost. Blissey, Chansey and even Diggersby are good choices for Normal-types, while Bisharp, Tyranitar and Greninja make great Dark-type options.

    And to add, sets for the Pokemon Boilurn mentioned:

    Blissey:
    -Aromatherapy/Wish
    -Softboiled
    -Seismic Toss/Flamethrower
    -Toxic/Thunder Wave
    Nature: Calm/Bold
    EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Natural Cure

    Chansey:
    (same moves as Blissey, but Seismic Toss should be the only offensive option, given Chansey's terrible offenses)
    Nature: Bold/Calm
    EVs: 252 HP/180 Def/76 SDef
    Item: Eviolite
    Ability: Natural Cure

    Diggersby:
    -Return
    -Earthquake
    -Wild Charge
    -U-turn
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 SDef/252 Spe
    Item: Choice Scarf
    Ability: Huge Power

    or
    -Swords Dance
    -Return
    -Earthquake
    -Quick Attack
    Nature: Jolly/Adamant
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 SDef/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Silk Scarf
    Ability: Huge Power

    or
    -Return
    -Earthquake
    -Quick Attack
    -U-turn/Wild Charge
    Nature: Adamant/Jolly
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 SDef/252 Spe
    Item: Choice Band
    Ability: Huge Power

    Bisharp:
    -Sucker Punch
    -Iron Head
    -Knock Off
    -Substitute/Swords Dance
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 124 HP/252 Atk/132 Spe
    Item: Dread Plate/Black Glasses/Life Orb
    Ability: Defiant

    Tyranitar:
    -Stone Edge/Rock Slide
    -Crunch
    -Pursuit
    -Fire Blast/Stealth Rock
    Nature: Sassy/Careful
    EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 SDef
    Item: Assault Vest/Leftovers
    Ability: Sand Stream

    or
    -Stone Edge
    -Crunch
    -Pursuit
    -Earthquake/Ice Punch
    Nature: Jolly/Adamant
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe (Jolly) or 180 HP/252 Atk/76 Spe (Adamant)
    Item: Choice Scarf (Jolly)/Choice Band (Adamant)
    Ability: Sand Stream

    or
    -Dragon Dance
    -Stone Edge
    -Crunch
    -Earthquake/Ice Punch
    Nature: Jolly
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
    Item: Tyranitarite
    Ability: Sand Stream

    Greninja:
    -Hydro Pump/Surf
    -Ice Beam/Dark Pulse
    -Extrasensory/Dark Pulse
    -U-turn/Hidden Power (Fire)
    Nature: Hasty/Timid
    EVs: 4 Atk/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb
    Ability: Protean

    or
    -Spikes
    -Hydro Pump/Surf
    -Ice Beam
    -U-turn/Extrasensory
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Focus Sash

    I can re train Goodra for a better EV spread. Would it be possible to keep Flamethrower and Dragon Pulse with the first EV set? My Goodra has a Modest nature.

    It looks like I EV trained my future Gengar properly. It's still a Gastly, so I think I'll go for the first move set. I didn't consider Destiny Bond before.

    Can you explain a little about Standard Play? Is that official Nintendo play or Pokecommunity? I can give it a Focus Sash when I want to battle in Standard Play.

    I'll teach Talonflame Tailwind. To be honest, I was considering it before I taught it Me First.
    Nope. Offensive Goodra needs all the power it can get. Defensive sets can play it safe.

    Standard play means OU (Overused) play, which is the main tier in simulator battles, like Pokemon Showdown! These tiers are usually organized by other sites such as Smogon.

    Also I forgot to mention this about Ferrothorn. It's a defensive Pokemon, and defensive Pokemon shouldn't be holding a Life Orb, as this compromises their good bulk:
    -Stealth Rock/Spikes
    -Leech Seed
    -Gyro Ball/Thunder Wave
    -Power Whip/Protect
    Nature: Relaxed
    EVs: 252 HP/208 Def/48 SDef
    Item: Leftovers/Shed Shell
    Ability: Iron Barbs

    Item clause isn't active in simulator battles. Item clause is when all Pokemon in the team must be holding different items.
     
    I see. I'll teach Goodra Draco Meteor and fix its EV spread. I can get a Shed Shell or Leftovers for Ferrothorn. I retaught Talonflame Tailwind. I'm pretty happy with this set, but if something doesn't work out, I'll definitely consider a Blissey or Tyranitar.
     
    Azumarill is not that good of an attacker, unfortunately; its offensive stats are quite low. If I were you, I'd probably replace it with a Pokémon like Gyarados.

    Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Moxie / Intimidate
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
    Nature: Jolly
    - Waterfall
    - Dragon Dance
    - Earthquake
    - Ice Fang

    Mega Gyarados works too. Plus, it's also a dark-type (which is what you're looking for, right?).

    Gyarados @ Gyaradosite
    Trait: Mold Breaker
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
    Nature: Impish
    - Dragon Dance
    - Waterfall
    - Rest
    - Sleep Talk

    Gyarados @ Gyaradosite
    Ability: Mold Breaker
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
    Nature: Adamant / Jolly
    - Dragon Dance
    - Waterfall
    - Substitute / Payback
    - Earthquake / Stone Edge
     
    I can add Gyarados in once Pokemon Bank is available. I have the perfect Adamant Magikarp on Black 2.
     
    Azumarill is not that good of an attacker, unfortunately; its offensive stats are quite low. If I were you, I'd probably replace it with a Pokémon like Gyarados.

    Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Moxie / Intimidate
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
    Nature: Jolly
    - Waterfall
    - Dragon Dance
    - Earthquake
    - Ice Fang

    Mega Gyarados works too. Plus, it's also a dark-type (which is what you're looking for, right?).

    Gyarados @ Gyaradosite
    Trait: Mold Breaker
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
    Nature: Impish
    - Dragon Dance
    - Waterfall
    - Rest
    - Sleep Talk

    Gyarados @ Gyaradosite
    Ability: Mold Breaker
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
    Nature: Adamant / Jolly
    - Dragon Dance
    - Waterfall
    - Substitute / Payback
    - Earthquake / Stone Edge

    I can add Gyarados in once Pokemon Bank is available. I have the perfect Adamant Magikarp on Black 2.
    Oh yeah, I didn't see that Talonflame has Sharp Beak. If I were you, I'd give it Choice Band for its current set.

    Azumarill is a great fit on the team because of its wallbreaking capabilities with Huge Power, though Gyarados can be used if you want a bit more speed.
     
    Oh yeah, I didn't see that Talonflame has Sharp Beak. If I were you, I'd give it Choice Band for its current set.

    Azumarill is a great fit on the team because of its wallbreaking capabilities with Huge Power, though Gyarados can be used if you want a bit more speed.

    I like Azumarill better than Gyarados. I do need Pokemon Bank to get my Magikarp, so I'll stick with Azumarill for now.

    I'll look into getting a Choice Band for Talonflame.
     
    One little thing I wanna say about Azumarill. Leftovers or a Sitrus Berry is a better item for it than Splash Plate. Belly Drum Azumarill needs some recovery option to make up for the HP lost via Belly Drum. Aqua Jet will do enough damage with its Attack at +6 and with Huge Power, the EVs, STAB, and the nature.
     
    One little thing I wanna say about Azumarill. Leftovers or a Sitrus Berry is a better item for it than Splash Plate. Belly Drum Azumarill needs some recovery option to make up for the HP lost via Belly Drum. Aqua Jet will do enough damage with its Attack at +6 and with Huge Power, the EVs, STAB, and the nature.

    Ferrothorn is already holding Leftovers, so I'll have to give Azumarill a Sitrus Berry.
     
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