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    Salamence (M) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Intimidate
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 1 Def / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Brick Break
    - Earthquake
    - Hidden Power [Flying]
    - Rock Slide

    Jirachi @ Leftovers
    Trait: Serene Grace
    EVs: 240 HP / 136 Def / 56 Spd / 72 SAtk / 4 SDef
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Psychic
    - Reflect
    - Thunderbolt
    - Wish

    Cloyster (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Shell Armor
    EVs: 252 HP / 16 Def / 240 SAtk
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Ice Beam
    - Rapid Spin
    - Spikes
    - Substitute

    Celebi @ Leftovers
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: 116 HP / 188 Def / 108 Spd / 96 SAtk
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Heal Bell
    - Leech Seed
    - Psychic
    - Recover

    Machamp (F) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Guts
    EVs: 116 HP / 252 Atk / 140 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Cross Chop
    - Facade
    - Hidden Power [Bug]
    - Rock Slide

    Regice @ Leftovers
    Trait: Clear Body
    EVs: 252 HP / 140 Def / 56 SAtk / 60 SDef
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Ice Beam
    - Psych Up
    - Substitute
    - Thunder Wave


    JirChamp wins obv. But like, I need a phazer bad. =\
     
    Chewie said:
    Salamence (M) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Intimidate
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 1 Def / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Brick Break
    - Earthquake
    - Hidden Power [Flying]
    - Rock Slide

    wtf is that random ev in def? .-.

    Jirachi @ Leftovers
    Trait: Serene Grace
    EVs: 240 HP / 136 Def / 56 Spd / 72 SAtk / 4 SDef
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Psychic
    - Reflect
    - Thunderbolt
    - Wish

    lol supportjir.

    Cloyster (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Shell Armor
    EVs: 252 HP / 16 Def / 240 SAtk
    Bold
    - Ice Beam
    - Rapid Spin
    - Spikes
    - explosion

    going boom on stuff is fun, you need more defense.

    Celebi @ Leftovers
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: 116 HP / 188 Def / 108 Spd / 96 SAtk
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Heal Bell
    - Leech Seed
    - Psychic
    - Recover

    sure.

    Machamp (F) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Guts
    EVs: 116 HP / 252 Atk / 140 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Cross Chop
    - Facade
    - Hidden Power [Bug]
    - Rock Slide

    four arms.

    Regice @ Leftovers
    Trait: Clear Body
    EVs: 252 HP / 140 Def / 56 SAtk / 60 SDef
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Ice Beam
    - Psych Up
    - thunderbolt
    - Thunder Wave/rest




    JirChamp wins obv. But like, I need a phazer bad. =\

    Heracross weak @_@, also yeah phazer/hazer.
     
    Cloyster is just a bad tank, switch it to Suicune, as it can act as a tank/hazer and he just plain rocks. Or the standard Skarm, Forry or Weezing. Your choice. Cloyster has the defense, but it's weak to fighting?!? that's not really good. And it only has 50 base HP, which is really deadly for the poor guy...

    Edit: My mistake, just checked that.
     
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    jc_rcw said:
    Cloyster is pretty good actually, you spike up, and blow up on suicune D:.

    I never saw the fact of blowing up a tank a good thing...that's why I generally don't use Forry. Once your tank is down, you're vulnerable to physical attacks. Skarm for example does the same thing only doesn't have to blow up. IMO of course.
     
    Again blowing up does some mayor damage, then you just kill the thing. Yeah skarm does the same, but cloyster is fun.
     
    I usually get Cloyster to 485 Defense with Bold Nature and max out HP and put the rest in Special Attack.
     
    Alright, thanks. I'm not using Forry, then I'd be ****ed over by Fire.

    Hera weak isn't all that bad though cause it's not used much for an OU imo now.

    But thanks man. I might do Suicune over Cloy.

    Can I get a moveset with EV's for it? I usually just sweep with CalmCune. :\
     
    Suicune (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 240 HP / 212 Def / 24 Spd
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Calm Mind
    - Rest
    - Roar
    - Surf

    CMCune with the EVs I'm currently using (don't know where they're from, but I suspect Mullet :)). It's really the only kind of Cune.
     
    without that cune Metagross will just shred on this
    also sub on regice is rather pointless

    come to mention a raikou can **** on this as that regice carries no recovery
     
    Chewie said:
    Salamence (M) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Intimidate
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 1 Def / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    -wing attack
    -flamethrower
    -dragon claw

    -dragon dance


    Jirachi @ Leftovers
    Trait: Serene Grace
    EVs: 240 HP / 136 Def / 56 Spd / 72 SAtk / 4 SDef
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Psychic
    - Doom desire/calm mind
    - Thunderbolt
    - Wish

    Cloyster (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Shell Armor
    EVs: 252 HP / 16 Def / 240 SAtk
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Ice Beam
    -
    - Spikes
    - water pulse

    Celebi @ Leftovers
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: 116 HP / 188 Def / 108 Spd / 96 SAtk
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Heal Bell
    - Leech Seed
    - Psychic
    - Recover

    Machamp (F) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Guts
    EVs: 116 HP / 252 Atk / 140 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Cross Chop
    - thunder punch/ice punch/fire punch
    - Hidden Power [Bug]
    - Rock Slide

    Regice @ Leftovers
    Trait: Clear Body
    EVs: 252 HP / 140 Def / 56 SAtk / 60 SDef
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Ice Beam
    - psych up(i erased it on acident)
    - anceint power
    - zap cannon


    JirChamp wins obv. But like, I need a phazer bad. =\






    fixes in bold.
    only thing i have to say is this:
    salamence was a big mess,brick break?try flamethrower
     
    I don't think you have much idea what you are talking about. Post when you know, ok? Don't just throw random moves together, explain why.
     
    Salamence is fine.

    I like how you give it all those special moves with Dragon Dance and Choice Band.
     
    Gold Typhlosion doesn't know what to do in the metagame. Just stop rating in my opinion. You're setting a bad example for them. You don't use DD with CB smart one. Machamp has sucky special attack. Regice sucks with physical attacks. Do I need to go on?
     
    Bold Cloyster sucks jc.
    Ignore Gold Typhlosion. You obviously don't know a gimmick when you see one.
     
    Bold Cloyster sucks if you're using Explosion that's for sure.
     
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