I ain't really interested in the new Pokemon shows :(

[Semidos]

Oh, would you rather watch another filler season a la Adventures in the Orange Islands instead?

Yes, Orange Islands is cool filler season. Everything is better than DP saga. DP saga is such predictable.

 

[yossarian]

Yes, Orange Islands is cool filler season. Everything is better than DP saga. DP saga is such predictable.

And Kanto, Johto and Hoeen along with the games weren't/aren't predictable ? :laugh:

Ash somehow manages to get all 8 badges catching around 7/8 pokemon along the way, meeting many new people and pokemon along the way whilst defeating Team Rocket constantly. He then battles in the main tournament for the region where he does resonably well before losing(elite 4 for the games). Nope that's never been done before.

 

[randomspot555]

I really dont care how old I am, I freakin grew up watching this show!

And now you're grown. Your tastes have changed, Pokemon hasn't.

But they really could improve the show by getting a better voice cast (something close the original voices)

What's so bad about the current? Besides "They aren't the old ones."

Honestly, I wouldn't have even noticed most of the VA changes without the Internet whining about it.

It's just something that happens in American animated television in the rare instance that a show runs this long.

They could make the titles less predictiable i.e. Ash gets a new pokemon! gee that kinda ruins the show a bit dont you think?

Again, this has been how episodes have been named since like...12 episodes into Kanto. But you only complain about D/P doing this, not others.

They need to have Team Rocket act like the villians like they were in the older series (seasons 1-5)

...Team Rocket (Jessie, James, Meowth) have been comedy relief since like 10 episodes into the series.

THE THEME SONGS OMG!

...what?

HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE A POKEMON MASTER! NOT A FREAKIN HERO!

What?

Team Rocket villainous? Excuse me, I have to rewatch them getting beat by a newly captured Caterpie.

I loled.

ah, you didn't read what I said right, I never said that his cockiness only sucked in this series. ;)

So it applies to the entire series?

Yes, Orange Islands is cool filler season. Everything is better than DP saga. DP saga is such predictable.

How so? Stuff like Toxicroak impaling Croagunk is predictable? Staraptor being a complete powerhouse (unlike Kanto/Johto birds) is predictable? How about a rival who has a personality unlike any other being predictable?

 

[yoshi12370]

DP will take more years. And in Johto we had Whirls Islands, which were more exciting than DP fillers.

DP is more likely to end near in the Summer of next year. Ash already have 7 badges, The Galactic plot has ended, and Dawn has 4 ribbons. In Jotho around this time Ash had 5 bagdes(might be wrong).

To me, Jotho was an Missed Moment of Awesome(it's a tvtrope. I can't post the link sadly) because Ash caught a bunch of great Pokemon with potential to be stronger but the writers didn't do anything to help them. During the Silver Conference Ash only used around 4 of his Jotho caught Pokemon and relied on his Kanto/OL Pokemon.(Don't get me wrong, I loved that arc)

 

[Semidos]

DP is more likely to end near in the Summer of next year. Ash already have 7 badges, The Galactic plot has ended, and Dawn has 4 ribbons. In Jotho around this time Ash had 5 bagdes(might be wrong).

I don't know, but DP is going to have more episodes than Johto, because we already have amount of DP episodes equal Johto episodes and it's still growing.

And Kanto, Johto and Hoeen along with the games weren't/aren't predictable ?

Ok, bad reason, but that doesn't change the fact that DP is worse and is going to be more. Writers don't have concept to the newer episodes.

 

[randomspot555]

I don't know, but DP is going to have more episodes than Johto, because we already have amount of DP episodes equal Johto episodes and it's still growing.

But unlike Johto, D/P doesn't have the massive amounts of filler.

Ok, bad reason, but that doesn't change the fact that DP is worse and is going to be more. Writers don't have concept to the newer episodes.

1. It's not a "fact" that it's worse.

2. You haven't given a single reason why the old series is better, or why the current series is so drastically different and thus bad.

 

[Vernikova]

Yes, Orange Islands is cool filler season. Everything is better than DP saga. DP saga is such predictable.

It's not like the show was unpredictable to begin with.

 

[Semidos]

But unlike Johto, D/P doesn't have the massive amounts of filler.

It depends which episode is filler for you. For me DP has more fillers than Johto. Besides Johto has better fillers than DP. DP fillers are too plastic.

1. It's not a "fact" that it's worse.

2. You haven't given a single reason why the old series is better, or why the current series is so drastically different and thus bad.

Do you want reason? Ok. Better story. Better action. No plastic and super cute contests (bleee). No long and extensive story.

It's not like the show was unpredictable to begin with.

I already sad "bad reason". Didn't I?

 

[AliceBlaze]

I miss the first five seasons. They kinda ruined the show when May and Max came along. But then it got a bit better when Ash started travelling in Sinnoh.

 

[randomspot555]

It depends which episode is filler for you.

Do you know what a filler is?

A filler, in relation to a teleivison series, is an episode that can be skipped because it doesn't develop the plot and events that happen in there aren't explictly or implicitly mentioned later.

People don't get to decide what is filler and what isn't.

An episode being filler or not doesn't inherently reflect on the quality of the episode. You can have great filler episodes and poor important episodes.

For me DP has more fillers than Johto.

That just isn't true. This user at SPPF, Torpoleon (https://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=422132&page=8), made a list of D/P episodes and if they are filler or not. And there's a few changes that occur in further posts.

Assuming that list is 100% true, D/P doesn't have a filler until it's 10th episode. So 1/10.

Johto's first filler is it's SECOND episode, EP118. Two episodes later, another filler in EP120 where nothing of importance happens. So far, Johto is batting 2/4. 122 and 123 also are filler, breaking the streak with the introduction of the following Swinub.

Besides Johto has better fillers than DP. DP fillers are too plastic.

Again, specifics. How is the Rotom episode so bad compared to say, Spiniark Attack?

Again, I'm asking you to make specific points.

Ok. Better story. Better action. No plastic and super cute contests (bleee). No long and extensive story.

Plot is bad?

You can't blame contests on the anime since they're in the games since Gen 3, usually introduced along the main plot.

 

[DonRoyale]

I come in here expecting healthy discussion...and I find someone pulling nostalgia filter. Sigh...

Johto was a good 50% filler. And no, that's no overestimation. Nothing happened for the first half of Johto that wasn't directly involving a capture, evolution, or a Gym badge.

Contests fixed that, contrary to the belief of those who think pushing the nostalgia button is going to get their argument anywhere. Whether or not you like Contests, they advance the plot by having the main girl have a definitive goal to pursue. Now, while I like Misty better than May or Max, nobody can argue that she didn't do much with Pokemon. Most of her involvment was to scold Ash or to drag Brock by his ear when he got too flirtatious. May and Dawn have a clear goal in mind: To be top Co-Ordinator. The two of them collect ribbons through Contests the same way Ash gets badges through Gym battles. This let the writers give themselves an excuse to write longer seasons without all the ridiculous amount of filler that Johto had.

(Also, you can't simply counterargue that D/P or Adv. had more filler. Provide proof or counter the argument directly by disproving Johto's filler. You're clearly just baselessly defending Johto that way and nobody will take you seriously if you do that. Just a tip. :|)

You can define filler as "every episode that doesn't focus on a capture, evolution, or a Gym battle" the way it was defined in the earlier generations. But the writers have introduced more ways to advance the plot; and what advances the plot is not filler, despite the fact that you might think that it is because of the old formula on what filler is. The show's changed, and if you don't like it, you don't have to watch it; but if you don't, don't make fun of it simply because it's not the first five seasons. (The only good ones out of the first five were one and five; the Orange Islands and the first two-thirds of Johto had way too much filler.)

EDIT: Also, in counterance to your "no story" plot; what story does Pokemon even have in the goddamn first place? It's a kid getting trinkets that merit a defeat of some "skilled" trainer of monsters you fit in tiny little balls. They've done this five effing times now; how do you have the werewithal to even accuse the new series of doing such when the last two regions have, unlike the first three, had concrete plans for each team that were carried out and had entire mini-arcs dedicated to the advancement of their plans? Team Rocket (aside from Jessie and James) did virtually nothing the first two seasons; it wasn't until Johto that the Lugia mini-arc (which, let me remind you, had nothing to do with anything and came out of nowhere, likely as the writer's only way to counteract all the crappy fillers they'd been throwing at us for the past two seasons) came along, and while it was good, the Aqua/Magma mini-arc was better, and the Galactic mini-arc was in the works since before Ash got his third badge.

If anything, the later generations introduced more story with Contests and the girls who pursued a dream much akin to Ash's; to be the very best, like no one ever was. XD

 

[yossarian]

Do you know what a filler is?

A filler, in relation to a teleivison series, is an episode that can be skipped because it doesn't develop the plot and events that happen in there aren't explictly or implicitly mentioned later.

People don't get to decide what is filler and what isn't.

An episode being filler or not doesn't inherently reflect on the quality of the episode. You can have great filler episodes and poor important episodes.



That just isn't true. This user at SPPF, Torpoleon (https://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=422132&page=8), made a list of D/P episodes and if they are filler or not. And there's a few changes that occur in further posts.

Assuming that list is 100% true, D/P doesn't have a filler until it's 10th episode. So 1/10.

Johto's first filler is it's SECOND episode, EP118. Two episodes later, another filler in EP120 where nothing of importance happens. So far, Johto is batting 2/4. 122 and 123 also are filler, breaking the streak with the introduction of the following Swinub.




Again, specifics. How is the Rotom episode so bad compared to say, Spiniark Attack?

Again, I'm asking you to make specific points.




Plot is bad?

You can't blame contests on the anime since they're in the games since Gen 3, usually introduced along the main plot.

Good post.

I'd also like to mention the variable defination of what the actual plot consists of. In it's purest form it's arguably the episodes where either Ash battles a gym leader, catches a new pokemon/one evolves, competes in the final tournament or May/Dawn competes in a contest/final tournament. This is probably only around a 1/3 of the episodes for Johto, Orange Islands, Hoean and Sinoh, so 2/3 for them is pure filler. Kanto was the only major region that was around 1/2 filler, but that was only because Pokemon was still unknown then so the TV company, would have only requested a low number of episodes from the Production company, to avoid the risk of it sucking and them being lumbered with it. You can bet your life if they had the power of hindsight, they would have ordered a lot more episodes and it would have more closely resembled the other three regions in terms of number of episodes.

My main point though is this defination dismisses the "filler" episodes where either character development occurs, either of one of the main human character, or one of the pokemon in the group. For me this as important part of the plot as the gym battles are.There is really no definition of filler IMO.

EDIT - Just seen that the guy above has made the same point as me. Great minds thing alike I suppose.

 

[Vernikova]

Better action.

Here, I thought that Sinnoh was the most action oriented series with some of the best Gym Battles.

I already sad "bad reason". Didn't I?

Yes, yes you did.

 

[Leader Soulja Boy]

The original Kanto episodes will forever remain the best they had more mature humor and themes, esp the Japanese versions. The new series is too childish.

 

[randomspot555]

The original Kanto episodes will forever remain the best they had more mature humor and themes, esp the Japanese versions. The new series is too childish.

Pokemon was childish on day 1. You know why? IT'S MADE FOR CHILDREN.

 

[AliceBlaze]

I hate it when they dub out any Japanese culture e.g. rice balls. I mean does it hurt to let the kids learn about the country that Pokemon originates from?

 

[yoshi12370]

I believed you were correct.

I can't believe nobody's accounted for half of Satoshi's Kanto Gym Badges - what action is there, considering a good half of his badges weren't even earned by a gym battle? It's really sad how many people generalise Kanto, tending to forget how outright boring some episodes were in Pocket Monsters. In the end they skimp over a few bits of Diamond&Pearl and just drop in how much the series now sucks. Worst part? I can count the amount of people who clearly haven't watched that many episodes of Diamond&Pearl at all.

THANK YOU! You took the word right out of my mouth!

 

[Vernikova]

I hate it when they dub out any Japanese culture e.g. rice balls. I mean does it hurt to let the kids learn about the country that Pokemon originates from?

They rarely do that now. Really, the last time rice balls were called something else was in Hoenn. 3 years ago I think.

 

[Semidos]

Do you know what a filler is?

A filler, in relation to a teleivison series, is an episode that can be skipped because it doesn't develop the plot and events that happen in there aren't explictly or implicitly mentioned later.

People don't get to decide what is filler and what isn't.

An episode being filler or not doesn't inherently reflect on the quality of the episode. You can have great filler episodes and poor important episodes.



That just isn't true. This user at SPPF, Torpoleon (https://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=422132&page=8), made a list of D/P episodes and if they are filler or not. And there's a few changes that occur in further posts.

Assuming that list is 100% true, D/P doesn't have a filler until it's 10th episode. So 1/10.

Johto's first filler is it's SECOND episode, EP118. Two episodes later, another filler in EP120 where nothing of importance happens. So far, Johto is batting 2/4. 122 and 123 also are filler, breaking the streak with the introduction of the following Swinub.




Again, specifics. How is the Rotom episode so bad compared to say, Spiniark Attack?

Again, I'm asking you to make specific points.




Plot is bad?

You can't blame contests on the anime since they're in the games since Gen 3, usually introduced along the main plot.

Do you think I'm idiot? I know what does "filler" mean! You needn't to say what is this. DP has more fillers, that list in the link is not true and made by some user, because more episodes can be skipped.

Contests are unnecessary because this anime is only about Ash, not about Dawn and her contests. If Ash do contests, then it will be necessary. But he don't.

Just because you like DP. It doesn't mean that it's better. More people like older seasons, because they are better.

 

[Vernikova]

Can you define filler? Your response says otherwise.