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[halcyonic]

Gyara whoops Scizor (can someone tell me why? I aint see it), Lucario (or Conkeldurr) takes Blissey and Tyranitar. Is there someone else Lucario covers at the same time, because of it's steel typing? Someone who's is super against Gengar that is.

gyara doesnt give a ...yea... about any of scizors stab moves :] 2hko with 252 lo jolly waterfall.

btw any strong dark/ghost can kill metagross p easy, since dark/ghost can hit steel neutrally now.

 

[Fabe Franco]

gyara doesnt give a ...yea... about any of scizors stab moves :] 2hko with 252 lo jolly waterfall.

btw any strong dark/ghost can kill metagross p easy, since dark/ghost can hit steel neutrally now.

What do you mean "gyara doesn't give a"? It counters well aint it?

Ok, I thought about Lucario as a counter to T-Tar (other dark types), but Lucario has to go since T-tar can hit neutrally now. Another fighting type then. Any suggestions? Conkeldurr probably isn't the best option because of it's low speed. Two in a row aint good!

And T-tar for Metagross then!



Yezzir!

 

[halcyonic]

regular gyarados resists both of scizors stabs and superpower if it does run it. if scizor decides to stay in, well then, it can only expect a 2hko with 252 attack investment and life orb.

and for a fighting type, perhaps mega medicham? mienshao, breloom and hawlucha are notable fighting types too.

 

[Fabe Franco]

regular gyarados resists both of scizors stabs and superpower if it does run it. if scizor decides to stay in, well then, it can only expect a 2hko with 252 attack investment and life orb.

and for a fighting type, perhaps mega medicham? mienshao, breloom and hawlucha are notable fighting types too.

Gotcha! Edit; I have seen some users use Mega Medicham, and the responses have been positive. But since it is a bit on the slow side (base 100 in speed is slow for a mega), its gonna have a hard time switching in for Gengar, especially with mediocre defences. Good suggestion tho, for sure!

I dont know about Hawlucha. Mienshao seems too frail for my taste, but I have actually considered him. Nice suggestions; think Ima check those out once more.

 

[halcyonic]

machamp has no guard dynamicpunch, i know its tempting, but without scarf its rly slow D: mienshao is versatile and has regenerator + u-turn, which makes a good combo :]

and hawlucha is p decent, altho lacking flying gem acrobatics :p do note that all three get high jump kick, a rly powerful fighting type attack, but can be a pain in the arse if it misses D:

 

[Fabe Franco]

machamp has no guard dynamicpunch, i know its tempting, but without scarf its rly slow D: mienshao is versatile and has regenerator + u-turn, which makes a good combo :]

and hawlucha is p decent, altho lacking flying gem acrobatics :p do note that all three get high jump kick, a rly powerful fighting type attack, but can be a pain in the arse if it misses D:

Yo, did I miss something, or is Lucario uneffective against T-tar? Someone claimed that it wouldnt work well against it because dark hits steel neutrally now? Did some research and info claims that it has a 4x resistance against dark types. Gotta be becuase of Lukes fighting type then, right? I think Ima go for Luke against a dark user.


So, eventually, Ima have this as my team: Ill wait with evs, IVs, Natures and movesets.

Gengar
Gyarados (counters Scizor and others of the same typing)
Lucario (counters T-tar and other dark types pluss Blissey, Chansey w/Eviolite)
Tyranitar (counters Metagross because of steel neautrality)

Pluss two more of course. One of these as mega, possibly Luke

I was thinking Dugtrio for a Gyara counter, but the only ou elec is Jolteon.


What do y'all think?

I now have a list on how Lucario, Gengar and T-tar can support Gengar:

As we know Gengar is poison and ghost ("levitate" makes it immune to ground, so Ill disregard that)

All of these are from OU

Tyranitar counters

From the psychic category:

Alakazam
Espeon
Latios (here we need a defensive T-tar)
Latias

From ghosts:
Gengar, obviously

From others:
Metagross

So, Tyranitar is down to 6 PKMN it can counter for Gengar.
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Lucario counters:

From dark:

T-tar
Hydreigon (possibly not?)

From others:

Blissey
Snorlax
Weavile

In total; 4 from OU
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Gyarados:
Scizor

total: 1.

Hm, I aint sure. Still dissapointed that all of them cover few Mons.
One of these i should switch to cover more weaknesses?

 

[Nah]

Yo, did I miss something, or is Lucario uneffective against T-tar? Someone claimed that it wouldnt work well against it because dark hits steel neutrally now? Did some research and info claims that it has a 4x resistance against dark types. Gotta be becuase of Lukes fighting type then, right? I think Ima go for Luke against a dark user.

Lucario is effective against Tyranitar. Any fighting type is, since Tyranitar is easily killed by physical fighting attacks. Lucario used to have a 4x resistance to dark, now its 2x because Steel no longer resists dark. However, Lucario isn't a true counter to T-Tar, because the tyrant might be running some moves that could OHKO Lucario, like Fire Blast or Earthquake (and Lucario is frail). If you can get it on the field alive, though, Tyranitar is going down (or back to its Pokeball).

If you need a Lucario set:
-Lucario w/Focus Sash or Life Orb
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
Ability: any will do
EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
Moves: Close Combat, Swords Dance, Extreme Speed/Bullet Punch, Crunch/Earthquake

or

-Mega Lucario w/Lucarionite
Nature: Hasty/Mild
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 252 Sp.Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
Moves: Aura Sphere, Flash Cannon, Extreme Speed, Dark Pulse/Dragon Pulse
Note: This set must go Mega ASAP. It doesn't work if Lucario is not in its mega form.

 

[Fabe Franco]

Lucario is effective against Tyranitar. Any fighting type is, since Tyranitar is easily killed by physical fighting attacks. Lucario used to have a 4x resistance to dark, now its 2x because Steel no longer resists dark. However, Lucario isn't a true counter to T-Tar, because the tyrant might be running some moves that could OHKO Lucario, like Fire Blast or Earthquake (and Lucario is frail). If you can get it on the field alive, though, Tyranitar is going down (or back to its Pokeball).

If you need a Lucario set:
-Lucario w/Focus Sash or Life Orb
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
Ability: any will do
EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
Moves: Close Combat, Swords Dance, Extreme Speed/Bullet Punch, Crunch/Earthquake

or

-Mega Lucario w/Lucarionite
Nature: Hasty/Mild
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 252 Sp.Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
Moves: Aura Sphere, Flash Cannon, Extreme Speed, Dark Pulse/Dragon Pulse
Note: This set must go Mega ASAP. It doesn't work if Lucario is not in its mega form.

Even if T-tar has moves like Fire blast and EQ, Luke will most likely be able to switch in, because Tar against gengar is bound to use Pursuit (unless the strategy is predicted in Team preview). Pursuit against Lucario aint too effective, and yes it is frail but most likely it aint going to get 0Kod, right?

And on the 2nd turn Luke has the speed, so obviously it has a chance...?

 

[Nah]

I wasn't saying that Lucario can't switch in on Tyranitar; just that its not always easy, since you often don't know what T-tar is running. And yes, once Lucario is on the field, it'll take down Tyranitar in one hit easy.

 

[Fabe Franco]

I wasn't saying that Lucario can't switch in on Tyranitar; just that its not always easy, since you often don't know what T-tar is running. And yes, once Lucario is on the field, it'll take down Tyranitar in one hit easy.

Ok, nice to know!

Btw, since T-tar is in a supporting role I think Ima give him an EV spread that goes something like this; 252 hp, 252 SpD, 4 Att. Should I go with a Sassy or Careful nature, especially when we got Gengar's checks in mind?

 

[halcyonic]

If you need a Lucario set:
-Lucario w/Focus Sash or Life Orb
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
Ability: any will do
EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
Moves: Close Combat, Swords Dance, Extreme Speed/Bullet Punch, Crunch/Earthquake

on a side note, its p minor, but yea :p use justified for its ability. steadfast and inner focus are p useless. with justified, it can switch in to a dark type attack and gain a minor attack boost.

 

[Fabe Franco]

on a side note, its p minor, but yea :p use justified for its ability. steadfast and inner focus are p useless. with justified, it can switch in to a dark type attack and gain a minor attack boost.

Justified it is then. Btw, what happens if I make room for Hydreigon instead of T-tar? Will it be able to handle all the PKMN T-tar handles?

 

[Nah]

Ok, nice to know!

Btw, since T-tar is in a supporting role I think Ima give him an EV spread that goes something like this; 252 hp, 252 SpD, 4 Att. Should I go with a Sassy or Careful nature, especially when we got Gengar's checks in mind?

Sassy is probably a little bit better than Careful. Since your Tyranitar is doing a defensive/support role, it doesn't really need speed (and its speed is pretty low to begin with, sp if you wanted it to outspeed stuff, you'd have to go a completely different route). Sassy allows you to run a special attack, which is probably a good idea for it.

 

[Fabe Franco]

Sassy is probably a little bit better than Careful. Since your Tyranitar is doing a defensive/support role, it doesn't really need speed (and its speed is pretty low to begin with, sp if you wanted it to outspeed stuff, you'd have to go a completely different route). Sassy allows you to run a special attack, which is probably a good idea for it.

Ok, thnx! Really preciate the specific answer to my question! Btw, I'm also going for a Gyarados; should I go for an;

Impish with 248hp/8SpD/252D
Intimidate
Rest
Sleep Talk
Watefall
D-Dance/Dragon Tail

Or an offensive sweeper set? This time also a focus on Gengar-support.

 

[Nah]

A different set would be better for Gyarados. The Rest-Talk set works better if you Mega Evolve Gyarados so nothing is immune to its only attack, Waterfall. Dragon Dance is preferable to Dragon Tail, and I wouldn't call Dragon Tail a great way to deal with the various water-immune Pokemon (Gastrodon, Vaporeon, Jellicent, etc) and 4x water resistant Pokemon. Also, Mega evolving makes Gyarados part Dark, which gives you another Pokemon weak to Fighting attacks (and Fairy), and lose a valuable Ground immunity (and Lucario and T-tar are weak to Ground).

So, the best way to have Gyarados be an offensive threat but still retain good bulk is to use this set:

-Gyarados w/Leftovers
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
Ability: Intimidate/Moxie
EVs: 88 HP, 248 Attack, 4 Defense, 168 Speed OR 156 HP, 72 Attack, 96 Defense, 184 Sp.Defense
Moves: Dragon Dance, Waterfall, Bounce, Taunt/Substitute

This is one of Gyarados's best sets, the Bulkydos set. Smogon reccomends the first EV spread, which is a lot less bulky than how it used to be. I still think that the second EV spread will work, but try both out an see how it goes. The basic idea with this set is to Taunt or Sub to give Gyarados an opprotunity to set up, which it should be able to do thanks to Leftovers and the bulk. From there destory things with its almost unresisted STABs.

 

[Fabe Franco]

A different set would be better for Gyarados. The Rest-Talk set works better if you Mega Evolve Gyarados so nothing is immune to its only attack, Waterfall. Dragon Dance is preferable to Dragon Tail, and I wouldn't call Dragon Tail a great way to deal with the various water-immune Pokemon (Gastrodon, Vaporeon, Jellicent, etc) and 4x water resistant Pokemon. Also, Mega evolving makes Gyarados part Dark, which gives you another Pokemon weak to Fighting attacks (and Fairy), and lose a valuable Ground immunity (and Lucario and T-tar are weak to Ground).

So, the best way to have Gyarados be an offensive threat but still retain good bulk is to use this set:

-Gyarados w/Leftovers
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
Ability: Intimidate/Moxie
EVs: 88 HP, 248 Attack, 4 Defense, 168 Speed OR 156 HP, 72 Attack, 96 Defense, 184 Sp.Defense
Moves: Dragon Dance, Waterfall, Bounce, Taunt/Substitute

This is one of Gyarados's best sets, the Bulkydos set. Smogon reccomends the first EV spread, which is a lot less bulky than how it used to be. I still think that the second EV spread will work, but try both out an see how it goes. The basic idea with this set is to Taunt or Sub to give Gyarados an opprotunity to set up, which it should be able to do thanks to Leftovers and the bulk. From there destory things with its almost unresisted STABs.

Hadn't thought about Mega-Gyaras ground weakness. Think Ima try the first spread first, and check out the other later; see what suits it. Perfect answer and help! Thnx bro.