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[Arcknight316]

Porygonz @ Choice Specs
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Tri Attack
- Dark Pulse
- Ice Beam
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Snorlax (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 246 HP/28 Def/236 SDef
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Body Slam
- Crunch
- Sleep Talk
- Rest
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Infernape (♂) @ Choice Band
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Close Combat
- Flare Blitz
- Thunderpunch
- U-turn
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Swampert (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 240 HP/212 Def/58 SAtk
Sassy nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Stealth Rock
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Earthquake
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Electabuzz (♂) @ Life Orb
Ability: Static
EVs: 60 Atk/232 Spd/218 SAtk
Hasty nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Cross Chop
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Ice Punch
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Hippowdon (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP/6 Atk/252 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Ice Fang
- Slack Off
- Roar
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Well? How is it?

 

[Outlawed]

Nice team, but I think you might want to take some of the Sp.Def EV's on that snorlax to Def, so it can take hits a bit better. Your choice really.

 

[Ársa]

Porygonz @ Choice Specs
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Tri Attack
- Dark Pulse/HP [FIGHTING]
- Ice Beam

I <3 Specs-Z.

OK.

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Snorlax (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 212 HP/78 Def/220 SDef
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Body Slam
- Crunch
- Sleep Talk
- Rest

Go go go ReSTalkLax!

Yep.

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Infernape (♂) @ Life Orb
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 26 Atk/232 Spd/252 SAtk
Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Close Combat
- Nasty Plot
- Grass Knot
- Flamethrower

Rips through teams faster than me ripping through hunk after hunk of cheese.

Standard

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Gardevoir (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Trace
EVs: 118 HP/200 Spd/96 SAtk/96 SDef
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Wish
- Psychic
- Thunderbolt

Strange EVs, but that's probably because I made them. I originally had Wish Jirachi here, but I needed some more Special Tanking ability.

Make him double status, or change him with Togekiss/Blissey for better Wish Support.

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Crobat (♂) @ Choice Band
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Brave Bird
- Zen Headbutt
- Cross Poison
- U-turn

I <3 CBBat! Brave Bird from this fierce nocturnal thing deals 40% dmg. to Forry and Hippo. Impressive! Dactyl does this better, but Crobat is cooler. ;)

Ummm, yep... o.0

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Tangrowth (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Leaf Guard
EVs: 252 HP/6 Atk/252 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Power Whip
- Leech Seed
- Knock Off
- Sleep Powder

Tangrowth. ...yep, it's a Tangrowth all right.

Sleep Powder plesh. Leech Seed or Knock off on the switch out me thinks...

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Well? How is it?

Here are the sets.

Togekiss@Leftovers
Calm
248 HP, 84 Def, 172 Sp. Def
Serene Grace

Thunder Wave/Aura Sphere
Wish
Protect
Air Slash

or

Blissey@Leftovers
Bold
186 HP, 216 Sp. Def, 110 Def
Natural Cure

Wish
Protect
Flamethrower
Toxic/Thunder Wave

Regards,

~T_S

 

[airconditioning]

Seems good, but you may want to make Crobat your lead. Specs-Z is outsped by a lot of things, especially common leads like Aerodactyl.

Then again, I'm not totally sure Crobat can handle those guys anyway, so you may want to replace him with Weavile.

 

[Anti]

Porygonz @ Choice Specs
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Tri Attack
- Dark Pulse
- Ice Beam

I <3 Specs-Z.

Modest please. You aren't going to be outspeeding much anyways and it's for hit and run anyways.

Snorlax (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 246 HP/28 Def/236 SDef
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Body Slam
- Crunch
- Sleep Talk
- Rest

Go go go ReSTalkLax!

STOP STEALING MY LINES.

Otherwise good.

Infernape (♂) @ Life Orb
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 26 Atk/232 Spd/252 SAtk
Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Close Combat
- Nasty Plot
- Grass Knot
- Flamethrower

Rips through teams faster than me ripping through hunk after hunk of cheese.

How original.

Gardevoir (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Trace
EVs: 118 HP/200 Spd/96 SAtk/96 SDef
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Wish
- Psychic
- Thunderbolt

Strange EVs, but that's probably because I made them. I originally had Wish Jirachi here, but I needed some more Special Tanking ability.

Jirachi isn't weak to Shadow Ball though, and don't forget Bug Buzz and Dark Pulse.

Anyways I guess it's okay, but if it's tanking you pretty much need WoW or you're going to be scared away by a fast physical sweeper no matter how many CM boosts you have.

Crobat (♂) @ Choice Band
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Brave Bird
- Zen Headbutt
- Cross Poison
- U-turn

I <3 CBBat! Brave Bird from this fierce nocturnal thing deals 40% dmg. to Forry and Hippo. Impressive! Dactyl does this better, but Crobat is cooler. ;)

You need a way to deal with Skarmory...by "deal with" I mean inflicting some form of damage on it.

It isn't really that important since a supereffective attack would do low damage so never mind that.

Tangrowth (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Leaf Guard
EVs: 252 HP/6 Atk/252 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Power Whip
- Leech Seed
- Knock Off
- Sleep Powder

Tangrowth. ...yep, it's a Tangrowth all right.

Sleep Benefits your team more since you can switch in one of those Choice users to inflict some damage.

Well? How is it?

Again a huge weakness to physical infernape and any special attacker that can beat Snorlax. Heracross is also merciless.

 

[Arcknight316]

OH NOEZ! I is STEALING Anti-Pop's lines, so now I diez0rz. :(

I guess WishKiss can go over Gardy.

 

[Anti]

Seriously though hering "go go go" all the time from other people is annoying ._.

But, uh, ew. Wishkiss is the last thing you need. How about soemthign that can beat physical infernape...

 

[Arcknight316]

Sorry. Go Go Go was the first thing that came to my head xD

Claydol sounds like a sturdy enough counter. What's a good set?

 

[flamehaze94]

Zen Headbutt and Brave Bird on the same set is illegal btw

Also, a bit of advice concerning the EVs for Gardevoir, don't make up EV spreads unless you really DO know how to make them, or else they will be far inferior compared to standards.

Perhaps I'm the only one who runs ReflectGrowth, I dunno, but your team really needs Reflect support. Perhaps over Knock Off. And yes, use Sleep Powder>Stun Spore

 

[Arcknight316]

Zen Headbutt and Brave Bird on the same set is illegal btw

Abusing illegal sets on Shoddy is fun.

Also, a bit of advice concerning the EVs for Gardevoir, don't make up EV spreads unless you really DO know how to make them, or else they will be far inferior compared to standards.

Well, I didn't like the idea of Smogon putting Max SATK on Gardy.

Perhaps I'm the only one who runs ReflectGrowth, I dunno, but your team really needs Reflect support. Perhaps over Knock Off. And yes, use Sleep Powder>Stun Spore

I have found that Stun Spore helps me more, because of Sleep Clause. Paralysis lets me cripple all sweepers, while Sleep only takes care of one.

So, is Claydol a good 'Nape counter?

 

[Eos Aduro]

Im actually with Nightfall on Stun Spore, I used it on Wifi and it seriously wreaks havoc. Its great. And the actual best physical Infernape counter I find is Togekiss, well Paraflincher works well, if it switches into paralysis.

 

[Anti]

Smogon might fail at EVs but at least they're somewhat good (usable at least) so seriously, use their EVs if you don't have better ones for now.

And seriously somebody would be lol stupid to let all their sweepers take Stun Spore to the face. A smart player isn't going to let that happen. Sleep Powder is seriously more useful because it's essentially a free switch-in for your sweepers, and considering most of them have a choice Item that will prove very valuable.

Claydol gets 2HKOed by Flare Blitz I believe. Crobat can uh...take Close Combat and scare it off so I'd focus on something that doesn't die to fire, like Miltank (go go go Thick Fat!)

 

[Arcknight316]

Smogon might fail at EVs but at least they're somewhat good (usable at least) so seriously, use their EVs if you don't have better ones for now.

Skarmory: 252 HP, 156 DEF, 96 ATK, 4 Spd. Usable? I think not.

And seriously somebody would be lol stupid to let all their sweepers take Stun Spore to the face. A smart player isn't going to let that happen. Sleep Powder is seriously more useful because it's essentially a free switch-in for your sweepers, and considering most of them have a choice Item that will prove very valuable.

When used on sweepers, Stun Spore often causes switches to an Aromatherapist as well.

Claydol gets 2HKOed by Flare Blitz I believe. Crobat can uh...take Close Combat and scare it off so I'd focus on something that doesn't die to fire, like Miltank (go go go Thick Fat!)

OK then.

I'll update the stuff later. Miltank shall be added.

 

[Anti]

Smogon's Skarmory EVs are indeed usable, they just suck.

Well usually when I switch my sweeper into Thunder Wave I attack anyways since the sweeper I'm switching in will probably make you switch out.

BTW Stun Spore is asking for Heracross to lqaugh really hard at your physical wall. That's bad :(

Seriously I don't get why people use Stun Spore on that thing.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Slowbro, Suicune, Swampert, and Hippowdon can handle the all-physical Infernape sets quite well, Cresselia w/Psychic can stop non-choice band versions also.

Starmie can also switch in, but doesnt like Thunderpunches =[

 

[Eos Aduro]

I love Stun Spore on Tangrowth, last one that sleep powdered my Heracross lived to regret it. Sleep Talk, Guts, Megahorn, OHKO. But your choice.

 

[Anti]

I love Stun Spore on Tangrowth, last one that sleep powdered my Heracross lived to regret it. Sleep Talk, Guts, Megahorn, OHKO. But your choice.

Yeah but that's terribly unreliable. You have to hope it even chooses Megahorn and there's the prospect Heracross will wake up. Besides it's a perfect chance to switch to a counter (since using tangrowth as your means of stopping Heracross is a bad idea). Seriously, why they even left tangrowth in I just will never know.

Honestly Guts isn't as powerful as people think considering my Dusknoir Toxic'd an incoming Heracross and ended up winning one on one, and very easily actually.

Honestly Para is a kinda meh Status. Sleep is much more useful since you totally disable the opponent. Even with Sleep Clause it's better. Heck, having a clause on the sleep condition is a testament to how good it is.

Also you do realize that Heracross can switch into that same stun spore and kill Tangrowth, only it can choose its move and not have to worry about the randomness of Sleep Talk.

 

[Arcknight316]

Ahh, I'll use Miltank, helps with Belling support as well.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Ahh, I'll use Miltank, helps with Belling support as well.

What, to deal with Physical infernape ? You require a counter for those.

Honestly you need a bulky water of some sort.

 

[sims796]

I must say, I hate Dark Azelf for his Heracross. he keeps switching it iin on my good 'ole Plume. He should apologize. To Plume. RIGHT NOW!

I advocate Stun Spore as well.