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Idea for a new type of competitive battle

This isn't for battling ktn. You should go look in the Wireless Battle stadium. This is just discussing a new way of battling. (In other words, you've got the wrong place)

~desu Saba~
 
shedinjask said:
Name some. With EVs too. Shieldon and Aron are the only two I can think of.
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Gastly, Aron, Shieldon, Koffing, Drifloon, Geodude, Onix, and Starly are all able to counter Scyther.
 
Scyther is faster than all of those. With one Swords Dance and Technician:

Max HP/Def +Def Gastly taking Aerial Ace: 136.99% - 160.27%
Max HP/Def +Def Drifloon taking Aerial Ace: 93.20% - 109.71%
Max HP/Def +Def Koffing taking Aerial Ace: 74.36% - 87.18%
Max HP/Def +Def Geodude taking X-Scissor: 64.10% - 75.64%
Max HP/Def +Def Onix taking X-Scissor: 48.68% - 57.89%
Max HP/Def +Def Starly taking Aerial Ace: 128.21% - 150.00%

Koffing, Geodude, Shieldon, Drifloon, Aron, Onix survive. Of all of those, only Koffing, Shieldon, Aron, and possibly Onix can get past Focus Sash. Koffing with WoW, Onix by the 3HKO chance. Geodude will activate Sash and faint on the next turn. Onix, Shieldon and Aron can Roar. Onix and Koffing will take a huge chunk of health from this, and Onix has only a possibility of living to Stone Edge again, so it will most likely Roar, meaning it got rid of a full-health Scyther by taking around half health. You can Aromatherapy off the burn and Koffing dies on the next turn anyways. It has no way of OHKOing Scyther, even if it doesn't have Sash. By the very definition of a counter, it must be able to switch into a threat and threaten it or faint it with little or no risk to itself. This leaves, again, Aron and Shieldon.
 
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shedinjask said:
Scyther is faster than all of those. With one Swords Dance and Technician:

Max HP/Def +Def Gastly taking Aerial Ace: 136.99% - 160.27%
Max HP/Def +Def Drifloon taking Aerial Ace: 93.20% - 109.71%
Max HP/Def +Def Koffing taking Aerial Ace: 74.36% - 87.18%
Max HP/Def +Def Geodude taking X-Scissor: 64.10% - 75.64%
Max HP/Def +Def Onix taking X-Scissor: 48.68% - 57.89%
Max HP/Def +Def Starly taking Aerial Ace: 128.21% - 150.00%

Koffing, Geodude, Shieldon, Drifloon, Aron, Onix survive. Of all of those, only Koffing, Shieldon, Aron, and possibly Onix can get past Focus Sash. Koffing with WoW, Onix by the 3HKO chance. Geodude will activate Sash and faint on the next turn. Onix, Shieldon and Aron can Roar. Onix and Koffing will take a huge chunk of health from this, and Onix has only a possibility of living to Stone Edge again, so it will most likely Roar, meaning it got rid of a full-health Scyther by taking around half health. You can Aromatherapy off the burn and Koffing dies on the next turn anyways. It has no way of OHKOing Scyther, even if it doesn't have Sash. By the very definition of a counter, it must be able to switch into a threat and threaten it or faint it with little or no risk to itself. This leaves, again, Aron and Shieldon.
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Then here's my advice.

Stop overanalyzing a children's video game and have fun.
 
It's exactly that kind of attitute that felled Pokerealm. They didn't want to test anything so they banned everything that was even remotely luck based.

It's not fun to face something with a grand total of two counters. If you don't want to properly analyze a metagame before setting rules for it, then you have no place setting rules for it. This is Pokemon. Serious business.
 
shedinjask said:
It's exactly that kind of attitute that felled Pokerealm. They didn't want to test anything so they banned everything that was even remotely luck based.

If you don't want to properly analyze a metagame before setting rules for it, then you have no place setting rules for it. This is Pokemon. Serious business.
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1) It's a game. Treat it as such.

2) Do not start an argument with me, because I guarantee it'll erupt into a flame war.

3) I never said I'd be competing in this tournament, I just thought it was a nice idea.

4) Lay off. NOW.

5) I never tried to set rules for it.
 
Waker of Chaos said:
1) It's a game. Treat it as such.

2) Do not start an argument with me, because I guarantee it'll erupt into a flame war.

3) I never said I'd be competing in this tournament, I just thought it was a nice idea.

4) Lay off. NOW.

5) I never tried to set rules for it.
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1. Games need rules that make sense.
2. Try me.
3. I never said you said you were.
4. That's a great debating skil.
5. Yes you did. You were trying to prove Scyther didn't need to be banned. What really got me was how you said to stop taking it seriously. I mean really, if you don't want to be serious you might as well have no rules at all.
 
Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh. guys...

I think your overacting here.

My opinion? It`s annoying!!!! >.<

Let me cheer you, today i was at work and since its Christmas eve almost nobody went so i got some clay and made a cute cyndaquil sculpture :3 (he`s my fav poke ^_^)

So just get some clay and make a Scyther or w/e else you want, that`s a really relaxing terapy (now im going for a large scale quilava).

skip my day, now lets talk about business, i promised to keep this in order to evitate this sort of conflicts. You two just stop fighting before i go aggro on you and do nasty stuff.

Scyther isn't banned hence because he evolves and he isn't that GODLY either, he falls into our expectations for what we call a baby pokemon.

Your arguing because hes too strong? Well then lets just wait and see, i bet a lot of people will use him as a main firepower so its going to be one easy counter (yep i`m planning to go 100% other pokes counter thats more fun isn't that what this is about?).

I think that tomorrow Gofre will have up a banned items list so for now, good night gentlements and don't take so seriously something that is just a game =.= I know your at a sort of age that you think this will benefit you but, THIS IS ONLY FOR FUN remember that and your life will be easier, i think i will even change the tittle to "Idea for a new type of fun battle" to see if that settles you and any other that tries to go mental in here.
 
I'm sure Mewtwo has counters too. But the point is it's overcentralized. More fun would involve not having one of two mediocre Steel/Rock types be completely necessary to not get beaten by the same set over and over again.

I'm willing to back off if you can give me at least two other counters that people would use not because they counter Scyther, but because they are good in and of themselves.
 
shedinjask said:
I'm sure Mewtwo has counters too. But the point is it's overcentralized. More fun would involve not having one of two mediocre Steel/Rock types be completely necessary to not get beaten by the same set over and over again.

I'm willing to back off if you can give me at least two other counters that people would use not because they counter Scyther, but because they are good in and of themselves.
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Elitist overanalyst. You shouldn't even be here with that attitude. The TD just told you to back off, so you WILL back off, OK? OK.

Pick any Rock or Steel Pokémon with high Defense that has a Rock, Electric, or even Fire move, and you have your counter. For all you know, the Choice Scarf isn't banned, and I am certain Scyther won't be using one.

Now leave it alone already. You're annoying me, and that is NOT a good idea.

Don't reply to me either. I'll report you if you do, I promise.
 
You want a counter for the movepool posted so bad? then here it goes...

Rhyhorn @ Leftover`s *Food from trashcan time!*
Trait: Roch Head
Adamant Nature
EV`s: 252Atk / 252Def/ Spare ones on dunno what youll see later on...
- Sword Dance
- Stone Edge
- Fire Fang
- Thunder Fang

Movepool upon changing, i just got it from the top of my mind, there you go the only menace to this Rhyhorn is fight type but i think i can change that with something to work with Sword Dance to maybe get a OHKO or something, dunno but now that this issue is settled.

Good nights and hope that i can bring the main thread tomorrows
 
Seriously, nobody has explained to me the Choice item and life orb ban after I've asked several times. So could I please get an answer?

Because if we're going to have this on Shoddy, I'd like to know these things so I can add more to my team than clampearl, diglett, and trapinch >:) lol

BTW, when is this going to be held? Sorry if this has been answered, but I have a MONSTER headache and I cqan't read through all those posts...sorry, honestly, but I'd pleas elike an answer ^_^
 
This might start late December and end late January (but with continuation of course)

for the banned items wait until Gofre posts the list.

Now im seriously going to bed, bye all
 
unit101 said:
This might start late December and end late January (but with continuation of course)

for the banned items wait until Gofre posts the list.

Now im seriously going to bed, bye all
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Yeah, but WHY are the ybanned? I don't really see the point to be honest.
 
Ok, Im just putting the finishing touches to the criteria, will be posted in around 10 mins :)
 
Waker of Chaos said:
Elitist overanalyst. You shouldn't even be here with that attitude. The TD just told you to back off, so you WILL back off, OK? OK.

Pick any Rock or Steel Pokémon with high Defense that has a Rock, Electric, or even Fire move, and you have your counter. For all you know, the Choice Scarf isn't banned, and I am certain Scyther won't be using one.

Now leave it alone already. You're annoying me, and that is NOT a good idea.

Don't reply to me either. I'll report you if you do, I promise.
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I'm not elitist. I'm right. If you don't feel like arguing anymore, then just admit I'm right. Of all the basic evolving Steel or Rock types, Aron and Shieldon are the only counters. Onix, like I said, takes too big of a dent. Hell, put Brick Break over Baton Pass and Shieldon and Aron are stuck Roaring it away, which they can only do once. I've tested them. I know. If you want to allow Scyther, then find me more than two specialized counters. If unit is really annoyed by this and is not willing to set realistic rules for a metagame, then he has no place trying to. And what is your premise for reporting me anyways? "I tried to win a debate on competitive battling and I didn't. Please ban shedinjask."

Now you're starting to annoy me and you're wrong, which is really not a good idea.

unit101 said:
Rhyhorn @ Leftover`s *Food from trashcan time!*
Trait: Roch Head
Adamant Nature
EV`s: 252Atk / 252Def/ Spare ones on dunno what youll see later on...
- Sword Dance
- Stone Edge
- Fire Fang
- Thunder Fang
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Scyther X-Scissor after a SD: 63.79% - 75.08%. Not a counter.

Waker of Chaos said:
I guess we'll have to wait for Gofre to post the list. I assume said list will include why.
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Just like I assumed that he would give a valid reason for allowing Scyther.
 
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