I'm Sad About The Pokemon Rating

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Akio123 said:
Um, yeah as AnimeDDR said this is a kids show.
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Digimon says hi. It was a show directed at kids in the same age range as Pokemon's target audience, and there was a constant theme of death. Even if you don't count the monsters (of which there were a lot of deaths involving), the second season had characters trying to get over family member's or friend's deaths. (One character had to get over his brother dieing in front of his eyes, and over the guilt that it wasn't his fault. Another character grew up without a father who died from a gunshot wound. Another character had to realize that his only friend was never coming back from the dead.) The third season had a character whose mother died.

Just because a show is directed at kids doesn't mean that it can't be a deep show that actually shows the bad side of life.
 
Hanako Tabris said:
Digimon says hi. It was a show directed at kids in the same age range as Pokemon's target audience, and there was a constant theme of death. Even if you don't count the monsters (of which there were a lot of deaths involving), the second season had characters trying to get over family member's or friend's deaths. (One character had to get over his brother dieing in front of his eyes, and over the guilt that it wasn't his fault. Another character grew up without a father who died from a gunshot wound. Another character had to realize that his only friend was never coming back from the dead.) The third season had a character whose mother died.

Just because a show is directed at kids doesn't mean that it can't be a deep show that actually shows the bad side of life.
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Don't forget about Mewtwo's break-out and his slaughter of the scientists. Not to mention, his depth, Dr. Fuji's depth, and the Almighty references. Heh.

Anyway, I think Pokemon should be higher in terms of D/P, and attempting to to mix it up: look at Takeshi's and Hikari's latest treatments. Hm. Heck, it should be higher because of AG. Oh, well, doesn't bother me, for my expectations are low, anyway. Heh.

Ah, so that's why Neon's finale was like that. Huh.
 
Hanako Tabris said:
Digimon says hi. It was a show directed at kids in the same age range as Pokemon's target audience, and there was a constant theme of death. Even if you don't count the monsters (of which there were a lot of deaths involving), the second season had characters trying to get over family member's or friend's deaths. (One character had to get over his brother dieing in front of his eyes, and over the guilt that it wasn't his fault. Another character grew up without a father who died from a gunshot wound. Another character had to realize that his only friend was never coming back from the dead.) The third season had a character whose mother died.

Just because a show is directed at kids doesn't mean that it can't be a deep show that actually shows the bad side of life.
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*Points to most of Pokemon being dubed by 4Shame Entertainment*

Also if you wanna use Digimon let's look at Saver's which was clearly broadening the demographic beyond 13 year olds. I mean Pokemon kept out things liek Jynx and the Dratini episode for stupid reasons. Say in houen there was an arc dedicated to the death of someone, they'd either make it like what they did to Yu-gi-oh and they are "banished" somewhere or they will jsut take out the arc and try not to mention. Also it would be GREAT to see someone die, but they won't because the writers would think that would hurt the show.

Also with Digimon you have to realize that Digimon isn't suppose to be some ultra happy essentially plotless show where charecters don't have that much depth. I mean DIgimon and Pokemon are completely different. I mean you might as well of used Deathnote to cite an example. No offense at all.

Now as for the Mewtwo thing, they tried to downplay the whole death thing. I mean their is death its more of an implication. I mean even in Japan I don't remember it showing the bloody corpses of the scientists.


Now as for my opinion onh death int he anime. It would be great to see someone die, but in Pokemon realistically it will not happen. I mean unless they make an OVA or another movie where Ash dies, I don't think the writers have an oppurtunity to kill him. Although with Giratina I can see him dieing and it helping him come back to life saying it wasn't his time.
 
Pokemon never had a chance:
1.Same plot for EVERY episode
2.No character development
3.Most of the people in the show are happy go lucky
4.Ash is too perfect, his only mistakes are losing battles
5.Not much violence, dare I say that Avatar The Last Airbender has more violence, and death, even though it's on Nick.

If you take this reasons into account, it sucks, but I'm a loyal fan, and IMO Digimon>Pokemon.
 
May is the only character in the show to have any actual development. Anything that Ash learns is forgotten instanly upon moving to the next region, and Dawn is just May without the character development, and is only loved because of her short skirt. You are delusional if you think the Pokemon anime even belongs on that list.

Not to say that list is correct either. Anything that puts One Piece and FMA that high is wrong.
 
Akio123 said:
*Points to most of Pokemon being dubed by 4Shame Entertainment*

Also if you wanna use Digimon let's look at Saver's which was clearly broadening the demographic beyond 13 year olds. I mean Pokemon kept out things liek Jynx and the Dratini episode for stupid reasons. Say in houen there was an arc dedicated to the death of someone, they'd either make it like what they did to Yu-gi-oh and they are "banished" somewhere or they will jsut take out the arc and try not to mention. Also it would be GREAT to see someone die, but they won't because the writers would think that would hurt the show.

Now as for the Mewtwo thing, they tried to downplay the whole death thing. I mean their is death its more of an implication. I mean even in Japan I don't remember it showing the bloody corpses of the scientists.
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On death, well, 4Kids kinda addressed it... for non-people. Heh.

https://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/comparisons/houen/ep007.html

Regarding Mewtwo, it was downplayed, yes, but still there. However, my point was more on the original material: storytelling material somewhat on par with the other celebrated animes, as they usually have a much darker focus.

It's still stark contrast to what we see normally. That's all, I wasn't referencing the dub for once. Heh.
 
~Rose Reaper~ said:

4.Ash is too perfect, his only mistakes are losing battles
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I think a lot of people would disagree with you there haha. He's lacking in common sense and, when they want him to be, reckless. That one has came up a few times so I count it.

There aren't really any deaths in Pokemon anyway...and 4Kids actually ADDED a death in the dub (Brock's mum) weird.

Charaxes said:
On death, well, 4Kids kinda addressed it... for non-people. Heh.

https://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/comparisons/houen/ep007.html
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Trees can die, time may be killed (DP36) but people can say hi to the Shadow Realm XD
 
Charaxes said:
On death, well, 4Kids kinda addressed it... for non-people. Heh.

https://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/comparisons/houen/ep007.html

Regarding Mewtwo, it was downplayed, yes, but still there. However, my point was more on the original material: storytelling material somewhat on par with the other celebrated animes, as they usually have a much darker focus.

It's still stark contrast to what we see normally. That's all, I wasn't referencing the dub for once. Heh.
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Yeah, they can use the word death but in reference to trees. I mean what are they gonan say "If we don't save the tree it will be abnished to the shadow realm!XD"
 
Akio123 said:
Yeah, they can use the word death but in reference to trees. I mean what are they gonan say "If we don't save the tree it will be abnished to the shadow realm!XD"
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lol. Yeah, trees being banished to the Shadow Realm is just as silly as, say, people dieing. XD
 
Actually, I'm not surprised, with the reruns in the USA for over 2 months (I think?) I don't think it will liven up the ratings.
Although, I'm half-surprised, half-not because Alien 9 has beaten Pokémon, And Alien 9 is an OVA
 
Jorah said:
I think a lot of people would disagree with you there haha. He's lacking in common sense and, when they want him to be, reckless. That one has came up a few times so I count it.

There aren't really any deaths in Pokemon anyway...and 4Kids actually ADDED a death in the dub (Brock's mum) weird.



Trees can die, time may be killed (DP36) but people can say hi to the Shadow Realm XD
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I mean, he gets like all the attention, and is the show's Mary Sue(I do not know the male equivalent), always the chose one.
 
Pocket Monsters does not have any good story/plot and no good characters, but the first movie, Mewtwo Strikes Back (and Mewtwo Returns, but I haven't seen it so I'm not sure) have good story and plot. And some one really dies in MSB (will not tell who, to avoid spoilers) and it's very sad. And there is after all a reason why Mewtwo attacks, and that's a good plot.
I think the 3rd movie (lord of the crystal tower?) is a good one, but hasn't really seen it.
I never thought Pocket Monsters very well drawn or animated, but Mewtwo Strikes Back (VHS version) was quiet well done, at least for PM, and the scene when Flygon fights Groudon (PM6), was very well animated.
 
Another reason that I think the show wouldn't get a high rating is because it is really unrealistic and has such little logic. For example "Pikachu beats Regice and Dragonite!" First one, no one dare say "Oh that's a filler!" It still counts regardless if its a filler or not. Second, it's impossible for ANY Pikachu to be that strong. I mean yes its been with Ash since Day 1, but seriously. Also, how did Pikachu tie with Shinji's Elekid? I mean if it the Ultra main charecter Pikachu, how does it Tie with what is techncially a baby pokemon? I mean if it was atleast SHinji's Torterra(ANother starter) I can understand, but really now.
 
Akio123 said:
They NEVER gave any of the charecters ANY depth what so ever. I mean they did start in Diamond and Pearl, because they tried to make people like Dawn and Paul actual people, not random happy go lucky all the time.
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What? Dawn is not happy-go-lucky? She's EXACTLY like that, and technically, she's still the same character 60 eps into D/P as she was in the first ep.

Pokemon does have character development though, we've seen Misty, Gary, May, Drew and even Ash change from their original debuts.

Most of the character development these days seems to be in the Contest eps, which is why May got so much, and why Dawn will get some as we go on, whereas everyone else is left to rot.
 
Well, no surprise on Pokemon there. Although I am shocked and appalled at the ranking of Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu and the absence of Kanon (2006). How could Kanon (2002) be on their list and not the remake? +Mai HIME above Air TV?....

[/Kyoto Animation Fan rant]

Jordan.

P.S.: And where is DOREMON?
P.P.S: #96: Inuyasha.
 
precita said:
What? Dawn is not happy-go-lucky? She's EXACTLY like that, and technically, she's still the same character 60 eps into D/P as she was in the first ep.

Pokemon does have character development though, we've seen Misty, Gary, May, Drew and even Ash change from their original debuts.

Most of the character development these days seems to be in the Contest eps, which is why May got so much, and why Dawn will get some as we go on, whereas everyone else is left to rot.
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You said in the contest eps, so far we have had...ohyeah TWO coordinators. Also, Dawn is an Ash clone I mean she is going to mature over time as Ash did...scratch that she will mature but still be as happy go lucky as ever.

Main cast doesn't count rivals, so Drew and Gary don't count... but if we must count them all they got was less pretentious and if charecter development means they become quiet and Brock-esque that means they have less charecter then they did before. Not to say that I don;t like Brock, but the big brother type in every charecter becomes really annoying.

Also notice the only time charecters really don;t go through much of a change if when they aren't on screen. I mean we only see a very calm Misty(Compeltely calm) is during her times on screen during AG. In in her Honsou episodes she never really gets angry.

May I can't deny went through some serious charecter development in her time in the main cast. If she comes back chances are she will be even more mature.

Now Dawn has developed a bit I guess(She reacted better then I expected her to when she lost the Hearthome contest), but like you said she is still the same charecter and just as annoying then she ever was.

Edit: Think of the animes that are up there. See what Pokemon lacks compared to the other animes there. Quite frankly, I was suprised it made the list.
 
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